Crawford was never the Core IMO.

Seriously how many times has I SAY UGH attempted to trade Crawford since he's been a Knick? Crawford was the sexy replacement to H2O and that's it. The core gets down to who does I SAY UGH hold as his adopted children? IMO that's Marbury and Curry tongue in cheek Marbury being on his way to phased out, which leaves Curry as the Lone Core and that's absolutely suicidal depressing.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-20-2007 9:21 PM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Crawford was never the Core IMO.

Seriously how many times has I SAY UGH attempted to trade Crawford since he's been a Knick? Crawford was the sexy replacement to H2O and that's it. The core gets down to who does I SAY UGH hold as his adopted children? IMO that's Marbury and Curry tongue in cheek Marbury being on his way to phased out, which leaves Curry as the Lone Core and that's absolutely suicidal depressing.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-20-2007 9:21 PM]

I think Isiah is pretty loayal to Craw - he wouldn't trde him for Vince. And Crawford is certainly core to our approach in that he's one of our top scorers, one of our posible PGs (if he were only up to it) and our primary late game go-to guy. He's not untouchable, but I think he's core.

I think you're right about Marbury though, even Isiah is counting down the hours till we can wheel him out.



[Edited by - blueseats on 10-20-2007 10:27 PM]

Crawford wasn't traded because New Jersey asked for David Lee on top of the offer of Crawford, Malik, and Balkman. But remember the pep talk after one of their practices I SAY UGH had with Crawford a couple yrs ago around the trade deadline when Crawford so much as said he thought he was a goner and that was the rumored trade with Denver(3 team deal with Orlando). But then Orlando swooped in and he was offered LOL for Steve Francis but Otis Smith rejected Crawford's contract and thus came Trevor Ariza being thrown in. Also what about the rumored reports that Crawford, Nate, and Balk were going to be offered to acquire Lewis? Then Seattle reports stated they have no interest in the Seattle natives. Wasn't he rumored to possibly try and land Jermaine O'neal but Bird had no interest unless David Lee was involved? Crawford has been the most rumored player in trades on this roster since I SAY UGH been here, trust me he isn't the core. What Crawford has done while bidding his time here since his first yr was win I SAY UGH'S heart and he's grown to love him but he'll be gone in a heartbeat if he can find a taker.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Crawford was never the Core IMO.

Seriously how many times has I SAY UGH attempted to trade Crawford since he's been a Knick? Crawford was the sexy replacement to H2O and that's it. The core gets down to who does I SAY UGH hold as his adopted children? IMO that's Marbury and Curry tongue in cheek Marbury being on his way to phased out, which leaves Curry as the Lone Core and that's absolutely suicidal depressing.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-20-2007 9:21 PM]

I think Isiah is pretty loayal to Craw - he wouldn't trde him for Vince. And Crawford is certainly core to our approach in that he's one of our top scorers, one of our posible PGs (if he were only up to it) and our primary late game go-to guy. He's not untouchable, but I think he's core.

I think you're right about Marbury though, even Isiah is counting down the hours till we can wheel him out.



[Edited by - blueseats on 10-20-2007 10:27 PM]

I think Isiah has had enough with steph, and maybe that is a good start, too bad he couldn't back larry on that one.. I agree with you about craw because I think Isiah sees some redeeming basketball quailties in craw, especially the ones that you mentioned.. If only he bites the bullet, admit his mistakes and makes the younger guys more integral parts of the core..... Time to wheel out the dead wood..

TKF check your PM in about 30min from me?

Posted by BlueSeats:

You could be right, True.

But I think we're discussing the difference between core and untradable. For instance, Oakley was certainly part of our core right up until we traded him for Camby. And Spree was part of our core till we traded him for Van Horn.

In any case, the difficulty in determining our core is what this is all about.

I'd say on the basis of who's closest to untouchability it boils down to Curry and Lee, for the moment, but I doubt even Isiah knows right now.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-20-2007 11:02 PM]

Yeah I guess we could be talking from two different viewpoints. I find it hard for a player to be part of the core when the GM has been trying to trade such player almost his whole time here, but your point is taken. With our GM we don't know who are his key players he's building around nor does he, he's a complete BUFFOON. Lee is an odd situation, how can he be considered the core? One I SAY UGH doesn't play him the right way nor give him the minutes he deserves from game-to-game and then trades for a problematic player in Randolph who'll eat into his playing time tremendously. Judging by how all the players have been treated this Pre-Season thus far I only see Curry as the core but I could be wrong.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

You could be right, True.

But I think we're discussing the difference between core and untradable. For instance, Oakley was certainly part of our core right up until we traded him for Camby. And Spree was part of our core till we traded him for Van Horn.

In any case, the difficulty in determining our core is what this is all about.

I'd say on the basis of who's closest to untouchability it boils down to Curry and Lee, for the moment, but I doubt even Isiah knows right now.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-20-2007 11:02 PM]

Yeah I guess we could be talking from two different viewpoints. I find it hard for a player to be part of the core when the GM has been trying to trade such player almost his whole time here, but your point is taken. With our GM we don't know who are his key players he's building around nor does he, he's a complete BUFFOON. Lee is an odd situation, how can he be considered the core? One I SAY UGH doesn't play him the right way nor give him the minutes he deserves from game-to-game and then trades for a problematic player in Randolph who'll eat into his playing time tremendously. Judging by how all the players have been treated this Pre-Season thus far I only see Curry as the core but I could be wrong.

You make good points. It's so confusing.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

You could be right, True.

But I think we're discussing the difference between core and untradable. For instance, Oakley was certainly part of our core right up until we traded him for Camby. And Spree was part of our core till we traded him for Van Horn.

In any case, the difficulty in determining our core is what this is all about.

I'd say on the basis of who's closest to untouchability it boils down to Curry and Lee, for the moment, but I doubt even Isiah knows right now.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-20-2007 11:02 PM]

Yeah I guess we could be talking from two different viewpoints. I find it hard for a player to be part of the core when the GM has been trying to trade such player almost his whole time here, but your point is taken. With our GM we don't know who are his key players he's building around nor does he, he's a complete BUFFOON. Lee is an odd situation, how can he be considered the core? One I SAY UGH doesn't play him the right way nor give him the minutes he deserves from game-to-game and then trades for a problematic player in Randolph who'll eat into his playing time tremendously. Judging by how all the players have been treated this Pre-Season thus far I only see Curry as the core but I could be wrong.

You make good points. It's so confusing.

I kinda wish Nixluva was around because he surely could set us all straight until then stayed confused my friend.

We all know Nixluva would be posting right now if the team was winning.

Grammar policing aside, what's your interpretation of the fact that no one can reach agreement or even come close to agreement on who our core players are? Is that a common characteristic of a well run franchise?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 10-21-2007 09:53 AM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by tkf:


I think Isiah has had enough with steph, and maybe that is a good start, too bad he couldn't back larry on that one..

I can only imagine how disaapointed isiah feels with Marbury. His signature move, his protege. The team captain. Inviting him to live next door to him. All those boring late night phonecalls massaging Steph's ego, trying to give him guidance. Backing him against Lenny and Larry, the media and the team.

So much work for such a headcase, and for it all he can't even count on the guy to come prepared or to play hard. He must really just want to puke.

I'd be tempted to feel sorry for isiah on this, but really it's all his own doing. He took the wrong tack with Steph and backed him up in unjust causes. Marbury alone could have been a minor distraction, but Isiah made him a Prince and gave him the team, and by indulging him in so many ways it elevated Marbruy into a gargantuan problem for the franchise.

Its pretty obvious that Isiah has looking for a replacement for Marb. Last summer, there were rumors of interest in Steve Blake. Drafts Mardy last yr. Trades for JJ3 this yr. Puts Nate on the summer league squad to work on PG skills. With that said, I can't explain what Isiah was/or wasn't thinking when he didn't draft Marcus Williams.

I'm hopefull that Isiah moves Marb this summer, not to mention phasing out a few other guys and allowing Chandler, Balk, Lee, Nichols and perhaps Mardy become a part of the rotation at some point this yr.

Posted by misterearl:

Should this title read "Who Is our Core?"

I grew up in Queens, what do you expect?

So, who is our core, Earl.