Posted by BasketballJones:

No, Jones is the Congressman. And Balkman is the Alderman.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-18-2007 10:23]

These nicknames are getting complicated. I need a better system

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Bippity10:

2nd quarter-started with the Randolph, Jones, Lee, Crawford and Nate. Down 10
At the 9:52 mark Nate was subbed out and Marbs was put back in. So far probably not much different than what will happen in the regular season. Offense is sloppy but that's fine in the pre-season. Defense is ridiculous. Every shot the Celtics take is an unchallenged lay-up or a jumper without a man within 10 feet of the shooter. 8:11 mark Mardy subs for Fred Jones. Down 12. Still no defense. Jones was the only guy playing D. Curry back in for DLee.

That's why we need to keep Jones.

Oh really? Ok, lets examine this game for a second.

The ending score was 101-61. 101 points is a common score for this Celtics team and really a whole bunch of other teams, especially in preseason. 61 points is not. Absolutely we could have played more defense, but our OFFENSE let us down.

How much did Mr. Fred Jones contribute to our offense? Whats that? What did you say, he's there for defense? Oh, ok and how much impact did he have on the game last night? Oh, not much because the Celtics managed to score 101 points.

Jamal Crawford, Allan Houston, Stephon Marbury, Quentin Richardson, and Nate Robinson were all ineffective from the outside. Oh, if only we had someone who could hit 3's consistently and no, i'm not talking about Fred "34.1%" Jones.


[Edited by - subzero0 on 10-18-2007 11:43 AM]

Thanks for your astute observation. No one is saying that offense wasn't a problem. It obviously was. Thanks for the newsflash. But I don't have a huge concern for that for a couple reasons. Number one we have a new focal point which always needs an adjustment. Number 2, we have a history of being a solid offensive team and with the addition of Zach I don't see that changing.

The defense HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE. We have a history of not giving our best effort on D. Now if you watched the game and are not just going by score you would have seen the parade to the rim and would have a different opinion of the D(hopefully). We didn't play any. It was dunk after dunk, after lay-up, after wide open jumper. We were consistently beaten in transition. The defense was horrendous. The only thing that kept the score our of the 120's was the pace of the game.

I think what some of you wanted everyone to do, was not come on and observe what they saw. But to just say stuff like,

"40 point loss? That's alright that's okay, it's just pre-season anyway. Rah, rah, sis boom bah, yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah Knicks".

Next time that is what I will do.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-10-2007 12:27 PM]

I agree that wins and losses in the preseason are fairly meaningless. But losing by 40, in any game is unacceptable. That shows lack of effort, intensity and focus. That's inexcusable.

Does anyone get the feeling that the Knicks are already in midseason form?

Posted by misterearl:

bipppity - Ira claims Lee was the only Knick who played last night. I contend they all sucked.

who is right?

can The Mayor play the three or what?

looks like jared jordan played too and so did chandler

Posted by Cartman718:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Bippity10:

2nd quarter-started with the Randolph, Jones, Lee, Crawford and Nate. Down 10
At the 9:52 mark Nate was subbed out and Marbs was put back in. So far probably not much different than what will happen in the regular season. Offense is sloppy but that's fine in the pre-season. Defense is ridiculous. Every shot the Celtics take is an unchallenged lay-up or a jumper without a man within 10 feet of the shooter. 8:11 mark Mardy subs for Fred Jones. Down 12. Still no defense. Jones was the only guy playing D. Curry back in for DLee.

That's why we need to keep Jones.

Oh really? Ok, lets examine this game for a second.

The ending score was 101-61. 101 points is a common score for this Celtics team and really a whole bunch of other teams, especially in preseason. 61 points is not. Absolutely we could have played more defense, but our OFFENSE let us down.

How much did Mr. Fred Jones contribute to our offense? Whats that? What did you say, he's there for defense? Oh, ok and how much impact did he have on the game last night? Oh, not much because the Celtics managed to score 101 points.

Jamal Crawford, Allan Houston, Stephon Marbury, Quentin Richardson, and Nate Robinson were all ineffective from the outside. Oh, if only we had someone who could hit 3's consistently and no, i'm not talking about Fred "34.1%" Jones.


[Edited by - subzero0 on 10-18-2007 11:43 AM]

are you stupid or something? i am sorry but did you even look at the box score? fred jones played 6 mins.

Nichols shouldn't be sacrificed for someone who only plays 6 minutes and doesn't have an impact on the game.

Giving effort should be a given, not a reason to keep someone because his effort is an anomaly on this team.