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nixluva
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10/16/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by RemBee76:

In a line-up with our two boulders, Q-rich, Craw and Marbury, teams are going to have a tough time figuring out who they can lay off of in order to double team inside. Our scorers are going to get theirs.

i think they're gonna let them shoot. prove to the nba that you're better than 40% perimeter shooters and then defenders will have a tough time figuring out who to lay off. but as of right now, i double down on zach and eddy and let those 3 guys beat me from the perimeter.

The more open looks our guards get you'll see that they WILL imporove! Very few NBA players will miss wide open 3's. This is why ALL teams shot the 3 so well against us. There's no way that we'll be bad enough for teams to beat us by allowing our guards to take relaxed shots from the perimeter. Q won't miss them, Jamal, Nate and Steph will hit enough of them and we'll be winning a lot of games this year, if teams try that on us.
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10/16/2007  12:13 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by RemBee76:

In a line-up with our two boulders, Q-rich, Craw and Marbury, teams are going to have a tough time figuring out who they can lay off of in order to double team inside. Our scorers are going to get theirs.

i think they're gonna let them shoot. prove to the nba that you're better than 40% perimeter shooters and then defenders will have a tough time figuring out who to lay off. but as of right now, i double down on zach and eddy and let those 3 guys beat me from the perimeter.

The more open looks our guards get you'll see that they WILL imporove! Very few NBA players will miss wide open 3's. This is why ALL teams shot the 3 so well against us. There's no way that we'll be bad enough for teams to beat us by allowing our guards to take relaxed shots from the perimeter. Q won't miss them, Jamal, Nate and Steph will hit enough of them and we'll be winning a lot of games this year, if teams try that on us.

They all are different and much improved players this year. Right?
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10/16/2007  12:42 PM
Man, u guys are brutal. I would hate to be your spouse or child. If I wasn't the best at everything I did, I'd hate to come home.

It seems that all some of you do is criticize? I understand being critical about things that need to be addressed but hell, you all can't change one thing about this team except your perspective. I think Zeke has run this franchise into the ground, but its still my team. I'm still going to root for them and point out the good and the bad. This isn't the best Knicks squad I've ever seen (by far), but it also isn't the worst. Steph, Craw, Zach, Eddy, JJ1&2, and Nate aren't going anywhere soon, so why continue to focus on it?

[Edited by - rocknick on 10-16-2007 12:43 PM]
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10/16/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by rocknick:

Man, u guys are brutal. I would hate to be your spouse or child. If I wasn't the best at everything I did, I'd hate to come home.

It seems that all some of you do is criticize? I understand being critical about things that need to be addressed but hell, you all can't change one thing about this team except your perspective. I think Zeke has run this franchise into the ground, but its still my team. I'm still going to root for them and point out the good and the bad. This isn't the best Knicks squad I've ever since (by far), but it also isn't the worst. Steph, Craw, Zach, Eddy, JJ1&2, and Nate aren't going anywhere soon, so why continue to focus on it?

The irony of your post is that when you write "I think Zeke has run this franchise into the ground, but its still my team", it's probably the most negative post I've heard all year.
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10/16/2007  12:49 PM
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10/16/2007  12:55 PM
Posted by rocknick:

Man, u guys are brutal. I would hate to be your spouse or child. If I wasn't the best at everything I did, I'd hate to come home.

It seems that all some of you do is criticize? I understand being critical about things that need to be addressed but hell, you all can't change one thing about this team except your perspective. I think Zeke has run this franchise into the ground, but its still my team. I'm still going to root for them and point out the good and the bad. This isn't the best Knicks squad I've ever seen (by far), but it also isn't the worst. Steph, Craw, Zach, Eddy, JJ1&2, and Nate aren't going anywhere soon, so why continue to focus on it?

[Edited by - rocknick on 10-16-2007 12:43 PM]


Could you please explain in terms of wins and losses how this tenure of players haven't been the worst Knicks squad? You realize the past couple of yrs record lows have been broken! If you can't explain it in terms of wins and losses then don't bother.
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10/16/2007  12:58 PM
Q: What do Lovers call a 33-49 record?

A: Progress
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10/16/2007  1:06 PM
Obviously my post touched a nerve with you. Old folks used to have a saying that apparently applies here but I'm not trying to make enemies. So back to your question - I can explain it in terms of wins and losses. The Knicks in the mid-80s had season win totals of 24, 23, 24 three yrs straight surpassing these last 3 abyssmal years record-wise.



[Edited by - rocknick on 10-16-2007 1:08 PM]
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10/16/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by RemBee76:

In a line-up with our two boulders, Q-rich, Craw and Marbury, teams are going to have a tough time figuring out who they can lay off of in order to double team inside. Our scorers are going to get theirs.

i think they're gonna let them shoot. prove to the nba that you're better than 40% perimeter shooters and then defenders will have a tough time figuring out who to lay off. but as of right now, i double down on zach and eddy and let those 3 guys beat me from the perimeter.

The more open looks our guards get you'll see that they WILL imporove! Very few NBA players will miss wide open 3's. This is why ALL teams shot the 3 so well against us. There's no way that we'll be bad enough for teams to beat us by allowing our guards to take relaxed shots from the perimeter. Q won't miss them, Jamal, Nate and Steph will hit enough of them and we'll be winning a lot of games this year, if teams try that on us.

I agree Nixluva, the four guards you mentioned can all shoot the ball and will knock down plenty of shots when open. Obviously shot selection has been a major issue for all four of these players as they were often trying to create for themselves more than we would've liked rather than have ballls kicked out to them for open looks. With the amount of offensive rebouding Lee and Randolph are going to be providing there's gonna be plenty of extra shots to go around. Kick it out, whip it round, knock it down. If Crawford could just control himself and have better shot selection (which he's been working on since LB was here), his shooting percentage would go way up and I think he could become an elite type of shooter. Q, Steph and Nate can light it up as well when given the open looks.

Last year the players, starting with Steph, relinqueshed certain control and let the team be centered around Curry. Unfortunatly it took EC nearly two months to accept that he was the MAN and start to believe in himself and play accordingly. Once that happened we saw how difficult he could be to stop, especially earlier in games and quarters when his conditioning wasn't yet an issue. This year Eddy has come into camp in better shape and with Zach here to take away half the load, along with Lee, Balkman, etc. rotating in, let's hope Eddy will be fresher and able to do his thing later into games. Sure, they have to stay out of foul trouble for all this to occur, but maybe with fresher legs, and with Eddy have a better understanding of what he can and cannot do with his body on the offensive end of the floor (offensive foul wise ) the guys will stay out of that scenario more often than not.


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10/16/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by rocknick:

Obviously my post touched a nerve with you. Old folks used to have a saying that apparently applies here but I'm not trying to make enemies. So back to your question - I can explain it in terms of wins and losses. The Knicks in the mid-80s had season win totals of 24, 23, 24 three yrs straight surpassing these last 3 abyssmal years record-wise.



[Edited by - rocknick on 10-16-2007 1:08 PM]

33-24-33 isn't much better. And those teams had Ewing to build around, which they eventually did.
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10/16/2007  1:13 PM
Naw Isles - been there, done that. It has to be 34-48 for it to be progress
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10/16/2007  1:17 PM
I don't disagree with you Isles, but that wasn't what True asked. I was simply answering his question about worst teams record-wise.....and we aren't getting a Patrick Ewing anytime soon.
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10/16/2007  1:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Q: What do Lovers call a 33-49 record?

A: Progress

Isles, you know no one here thinks a 33 win season is progress. I know I don't. But unfortuantely for us, last year was never going to be about winning a championship. It was about building towards our future. I saw plenty of progress in Curry, Lee, and Balkman and that's what I'm basing a lot of future hope on. With Zach added to that mix, like I said, I think we're gonna have a sick front line. If those injuries late in the year didn't slow us down the record would've been about 5 or 6 games better. I am not happy that the Knicks have sucked the past few years, but I did see progress and I do see belief from our guys and hopefully that'll translate to a much better season. I promise you that if the Knicks have another crap season, I will not hesitate to want to blow things up. But I don't think it's going to come to that. Some very nice pieces have been put into place and I can't wait to see it all play out.
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10/16/2007  1:34 PM
Posted by rocknick:

Obviously my post touched a nerve with you. Old folks used to have a saying that apparently applies here but I'm not trying to make enemies. So back to your question - I can explain it in terms of wins and losses. The Knicks in the mid-80s had season win totals of 24, 23, 24 three yrs straight surpassing these last 3 abyssmal years record-wise.



[Edited by - rocknick on 10-16-2007 1:08 PM]

So in other words the past 3yrs we've had one of the worst teams in franchise history. THANKS! Now when you factor in lottery picks squandered and no true franchise talent on the squad we further cement how bad we've been.

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10/16/2007  1:49 PM
Q: Why do haters refuse to ackonwledge the progress the Knicks made last year before injuries hit while citing the 33-49 record as proof that no progress was made?

A: Because they are haters.
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10/16/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Q: Why do haters refuse to ackonwledge the progress the Knicks made last year before injuries hit while citing the 33-49 record as proof that no progress was made?

A: Because they are haters.

Q; Why do Lovers refuse to acknowledge the Knicks ridiculously easy schedule during the period that they're in such a rush to cite as "proof of progress"?

A: Because they are Lovers.
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10/16/2007  1:56 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by rocknick:

Obviously my post touched a nerve with you. Old folks used to have a saying that apparently applies here but I'm not trying to make enemies. So back to your question - I can explain it in terms of wins and losses. The Knicks in the mid-80s had season win totals of 24, 23, 24 three yrs straight surpassing these last 3 abyssmal years record-wise.



[Edited by - rocknick on 10-16-2007 1:08 PM]

33-24-33 isn't much better. And those teams had Ewing to build around, which they eventually did.
This team hit rock bottom and is on the way back up, but all you can see is the final record and you totally ignore the team actually getting better from within and by additions. No one would be satisfied with this team not having a winning record, but for you to look at the last 3 years and totally ignore that practically the entire roster has been turned over and that we have a team full of good young talent, is mind boggling. What kind of fan only looks at the negative side of how his team progresses?

It seems you're only going by the win/loss record and past stats, to evaluate what the team should be capable of and then basing an opinion on that. You want us to believe that this team is only capable of being a 33 win team, simply because that's how it turned out last year. You think its fine to ignore any other issues and to only go on the record from the previous year and thus determine that this year can't be much different, cuz many of the same players are here. Forget that the last 2 years we've had many developing players and a coach that tanked a season. None of those things played any part in this team's poor performance. You don't think it's possible for a team to actually get better due to more experience, training, stability and consistency. To develop more chemistry and better execution from playing longer together. None of that means anything to you when evaluating the team. This is why you're opinion is a joke.

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10/16/2007  1:59 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Q: Why do haters refuse to ackonwledge the progress the Knicks made last year before injuries hit while citing the 33-49 record as proof that no progress was made?

A: Because they are haters.

RemBee can you explain why we went 3-13 in our Dismal Division last yr considering the whole division was hit hard with injuries?

Very simple question really!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-16-2007 12:59 PM]
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10/16/2007  2:01 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Q: Why do haters refuse to ackonwledge the progress the Knicks made last year before injuries hit while citing the 33-49 record as proof that no progress was made?

A: Because they are haters.

I am trying to think about the team as a whole and can't come up with a good enough list of progress. I CAN come up with a whole bunch of individuals who progressed though: Balk, Lee, Curry. As a team though? No.

And BTW, for whatever reason, I don't consider Marbury finally showing some defensive stance progress, that's just actually showing up on the other side of the court.
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