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Crazy Stuff - Seems Like I'm Not Alone In Feeling Some Willis Reed In Zach Randoph's Game
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misterearl
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10/14/2007  10:29 PM
There will always only be one, and only one, Willis Reed until the end of time.

But Zach has some Willis in his game.

check it out
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10/14/2007  10:35 PM
Posted by misterearl:

There will always only be one, and only one, Willis Reed until the end of time.

But Zach has some Willis in his game.

check it out

Hopefully you're not referring to the injured knee.

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10/14/2007  10:45 PM
BlueSeats - excellent point. Willis was never the same after that emotionally draining night when he went down under the basket as 19,500 people went completely silent.



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10/14/2007  11:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

zach is one of the most fluid offensive big men i've ever seen play this game. he overcomes his physical limitations by knowing how to use his body and how to position himself. in that respect, he is similar to how tim duncan overcomes his lack of athleticism.

what i don't understand is if a guy can drop 20 points and knows the nuances of how to get a shot off AND make the basket, how do those skills not translate on the other end of the court?
Lateral quickness and agility make use of different muscles than when you're going straight ahead. He's not fluid in everything he does, cuz he actually moves sideways a bit stiff. He doesn't jump high so he's not really a shot blocker and that tends to make you look like a poor defender. He may not be terrible, but I'll tell you this the man is a +8 against other PF's and even higher against Centers. So he's helping the team more than he's hurting.
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10/15/2007  12:02 AM
DJ you ask why Zach cant take off the twenty pounds. One simple word the munchies
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10/15/2007  12:43 AM
Posted by King1:

DJ you ask why Zach cant take off the twenty pounds. One simple word the munchies

Good think Balkman has that high metabolism. I mean, fast metabolism. Zach has the high one.

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10/15/2007  7:08 AM
Zach minus twenty pounds is looking more like Keon Clark

no thanks
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10/15/2007  7:26 AM
Zach minus 20 lbs of fat is looking like Ben Wallace (physically) or maybe Karl Malone. Zach minus 20 lbs of fat AND 30 lbs of muscle is looking like Keon Clark. When people say he needs to lose weight, do you really need them to specify that they're talking about fat loss, not muscle loss?

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10/15/2007  8:56 AM
Bonn - nope. Zach is totally different body type from ben Wallace. If you look at photos of Willis Reed, or were fortunate enough to see him in person, he was NOT cut from the bodybuilder mold. Willis had a fleshy body which defied sharp angular definintion.

Back in the day weightlifting was not the rage and most coaches had yet to discover the joy of steroids. Guys who could play, played on the conditioning of reps on the court and not on a nautilus machine. Willis was one of those guys who would never win a beauty contest, but he could play ball.

In the same vein, my sense is Zach's body would never have the crisp definition of a Kevin Garnett type because he's simply not DNA'ed that way. I don't have a problem with guys that can flat out play without the benefit of extra biceps curls or Charles Atlas protein powder.

Zach is what he is. No sense fantasizing about making him into another body type he will never conform to.

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10/15/2007  9:42 AM
Zach could lose 20 lbs of fat and he'd look ripped like Ben or maybe Karl Malone. That body type stuff is nonsense and I'd bet you probably don't even read articles on weight-lifting and nutrition. The reason Zach's "body type" looks different is merely that he chooses to have much more fat covering his muscles.
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10/15/2007  9:49 AM
baby phat

"Does this Knicks uniform make me look fat?"

Bonn - read? I simply made all that stuff up. Hey, it sounded good at the time.

The Fat Boys (Eddy and Zach) rock the house
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10/15/2007  10:23 AM
Mista,

Check early willis and see he was ROY at forward and did not move over until Bellamey was traded to Detroit with Komives for Dave D.

Willis knees were slowing him down and he got that extra weight as his body matured. But young willis was cut (Down Bonnie down!)

Back then centers were not much bigger than 6-10 except wilt and Alcinder. Russell was 6-9 and it was not until Cowens came and ran everyone off the court in 74' was being a greyhound a problem.
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10/15/2007  10:37 AM
Nalod - Early Willis Reed was closer to Zach Randolph as a forward but I don't ever remember him as being "cut".

The beauty of his game at center were the same qualities that made him a decent forward. He was ag-ile, mo-bile and hoss-tile, as Jake Gaither might say.

Forget the secondary comparison about body type for a moment, would you agree that Willis's left handed hook shot and Zach's lefthanded hook bear some resemblance?

What about the form on the two jump shots?

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10/15/2007  10:52 AM
I don't remember him being cut either. I think he was trimmer than Zach, but he didn't have the bodybuilder muscular definition. I agree that Zach could and should lose some pounds, but I also agree with misterearl, that he won't look cut if he does. But he will look trimmer and play better.
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10/15/2007  11:35 AM
^ Yet another fat Knick.
https:// It's not so hard.
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10/15/2007  2:29 PM
Marv, like i was sayin'... you freakin' rock

http://images.art.com/images/products/large/10100000/10100452.jpg

even a young Willis was not the muscular type. But hold up, look again at the vintage Knicks shorts with the built-in belt. Me like.

http://www.nba.com/media/knicks/giftpix_reed_lg.jpg

If this image of Willis swooping in for the sweet hook isn't the identical image of Zach shooting the I-dentical left-handed hook (shot from the Knicks website photos of the game or in The Post... oneadem) against Maccabi last week then my name isn't The Answer Man

I'm still in a quandry as to which of them had/has the better ball-handling skills

It's close



[Edited by - misterearl on 10-15-2007 3:12 PM]
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10/15/2007  4:20 PM
I never watched Willis Reed play a game and I have no idea what kind of person he was. Can Earl or someone that watched him play answer a few questions for me. Was Reed a better defender than Randolph? Did Reed have the character problems that Randolph had? Until Zach can stay out of trouble for a couple of years I really have no respect for him
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10/15/2007  4:36 PM
Once again we still have people trying to convince everyone that we have a talented team. I'm pretty sure 99% of the board knows we have a talented team. Now it's time for Willis Reed Jr, and Clyde Frazier III and EarlthePearlBury to start using that talent to start winning some !#$!$#%$% games.
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10/15/2007  5:07 PM
The Answer Man Loved Richie Guerin Almost as Much As He Loves David Lee

bippity - this is a basketball perspective for "experts" thread. If that is the best effort you can put forth, perhaps one of the garden variety "hater" threads is more your speed.

Q. king1 - was Reed a better defender than Randolph?

A. Reed played defense like a leech. He also had a lot of help from four other commited guys and the best defensive coach in the game who allowed offensive improviastion. Randolph is not in Reed's class as a defender, but he is no slouch.

Q. king1 - Did Reed have the character problems that Randolph had?

A. WhachootalkinboutWillis?

Reed played at Grambling during the Eddie Robinson era of great football teams. Robinson also doubled as the AD for years. If you dared to step out of line under Coach Rob there were consequences and repercussions so dramatic that players maintained the discipline of Marines at Paris Island.

Randolph's off-court issues are in the past, for now. Whatever happened to the inscription on The Staue of Liberty that describes a place where everyone receives a second chance?

"Give me your tired, huddled masses, yearning to breathe free..."


[Edited by - misterearl on 10-15-2007 5:10 PM]
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Crazy Stuff - Seems Like I'm Not Alone In Feeling Some Willis Reed In Zach Randoph's Game

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