Posted by 4949:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

they should give the reigns over to Stick Michael & allow him to shape the franchise the same way he did in the early 90's to build that dynasty.

I think Cashman is doing exactly what Stick did and would do. Rebuilding the farm system, giving young players chances at the major league level and shying away from the quick fix big money trades and free agent signings.

in terms of rebuilding the farm system & holding onto his top prospects over the past year, i agree w/u... but in terms of FA signings & trades, i have a hard time imagining Stick Michael acquiring busts like Kei Igawa, Carl Pavano, Steve Karsay, Hideki Irabu, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Mussina pt. 2, Jeff Weaver, Javy Vazquez, etc. I'm sure Stick had his share of bad acquisitions, but man, that's a whole boatload of cabbage for the crap that Cash got in return.

[Edited by - TMS on 10-14-2007 9:04 PM]

Sort of the Isiah of the Yankees huh?

Not even close.

Stick drafted Hall of Famers as Yankee GM. Isiah drafts role players and backups as Knicks GM.

Stick helped build a dynasty. Isiah helped build Anucha's case against him for sexual harassment.

Posted by islesfan:

Did anyone else find it troubling that Hank Steinbrenner is talking like his dad used to? He's going to insist on Joba being a starter next year? I guess all those years breeding horses has given him more insight into running a baseball team than one could imagine. And Hal Steinbrenner sounds like a total wuss.

I really hope they just stay in the background and let their GM handle the baseball decisions.

It would bother me if he had said the opposite: That Joba WON'T be in the starting lineup because he's too young and we need "dependable" (i.e., veteran) starters.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Did anyone else find it troubling that Hank Steinbrenner is talking like his dad used to? He's going to insist on Joba being a starter next year? I guess all those years breeding horses has given him more insight into running a baseball team than one could imagine. And Hal Steinbrenner sounds like a total wuss.

I really hope they just stay in the background and let their GM handle the baseball decisions.

It would bother me if he had said the opposite: That Joba WON'T be in the starting lineup because he's too young and we need "dependable" (i.e., veteran) starters.

For a man who can bring it 100 MPH, if he has a reputation for going at least six or seven innings, then you almost have to be crazy not' to start the guy. He reminds me of Roger Clemens, without the intensity. He needs to go after those batters and challenge them to hit him.

I guess it was rare that he came in as a reliever in the minors.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

they should give the reigns over to Stick Michael & allow him to shape the franchise the same way he did in the early 90's to build that dynasty.

I think Cashman is doing exactly what Stick did and would do. Rebuilding the farm system, giving young players chances at the major league level and shying away from the quick fix big money trades and free agent signings.

in terms of rebuilding the farm system & holding onto his top prospects over the past year, i agree w/u... but in terms of FA signings & trades, i have a hard time imagining Stick Michael acquiring busts like Kei Igawa, Carl Pavano, Steve Karsay, Hideki Irabu, Kyle Farnsworth, Mike Mussina pt. 2, Jeff Weaver, Javy Vazquez, etc. I'm sure Stick had his share of bad acquisitions, but man, that's a whole boatload of cabbage for the crap that Cash got in return.

[Edited by - TMS on 10-14-2007 9:04 PM]

I'm just talking about the last 2 years when Cashman has been given full control over baseball operations. I agree Igawa was a horrible signing but it's not going to prevent them from doing anything. It's not like he's blocking a position. Farnsworth is God awful and needs to be traded. He pitched better at the end of the season and has value so I expect him to be gone. I don't mind Moose for another year as our 4th starter. He'll be good for the kids.

oops, forgot to include this guy.




as far as Igawa not blocking a position, we have $43 mil tied up in that loser for the next 4 years... yes, we're not hurting for money, but combine that w/the luxury tax & ur talking about a HUGE amount of dollars that could be so much better utilized in other areas to improve this team... to have this guy pitching in AAA for the money he's making is a travesty, & i have no desire to ever see him pitching at this level again wearing the pinstripes... i really hope they dump his butt in the offseason... can't understand why they pulled him back when SD claimed him off waivers at the deadline this year... DUMB move by Cash IMHO... coulda saved the organization ~$30 mil in total when you factor in the luxury tax savings & annual salary over the next few years... pretty much an Isiah-esque move if you consider why he doesn't just try & dump Big Turd James or Jared Jefferies when he damn well knows both guys have been utter failures ever since he signed them. (not putting Cashman on Isiah's level but you get the point)

as for Farns, who's going to take him off our hands at the salary he's making? we'd have to eat a major portion of his remaining salary to get anything of worth... another huge mistake by Cashman... the only way he becomes tradeable is if he comes in next season & starts pitching well, in which case we'd probably want to hold onto him considering the lack of quality setup men in this league.

& on Moose... if he goes into the season as our 4th starter, we're in severe trouble my man... i want no part of Mike Mussina being even a part of the regular rotation next season... if we don't have Andy P, Wang, Joba, Hughes & Kennedy starting next year, it better be because of some injury to 1 of those guys... & even then, Moose would be a 5th starter at best... for $12 mil (more if you count the luxury tax) that's not exactly getting good value on the dollar... sound familiar?

[Edited by - TMS on 10-14-2007 9:46 PM]