Posted by misterearl:

"Last night a dj saved my life..."

If the endorsers of the Knicks apocalypse just lightened up and laughed off the negativity just one hour a week, instead of being totally obsessed with the debbil Isiah Thomas, perhaps you might feel better about life in general

or is it the other way around?

I'm jus' sayin'

Light up and laugh it off.

Sounds good to me.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Light up and laugh it off.

Sounds good to me.
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BasketballJones - at least lighten up once a week until the season starts

If you can't have a shread of optimism in October with the newly-acquired Zach Randolph and the newly-healed David Lee sharing the ball, you have issues that are too deep for any basketball forum

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by misterearl:

issues and answers

dj has no issues that are apparent to the naked eye

kiila4luv can describe the hell out of some real life issues

i have major issues with anyone who roots for the Knicks to lose

Papabear Says

MisterEarl: Look at it this way Pretend the person is maried to the Knicks and he does not like what the Knicks are doing and love turns into hate. That love hate way of thinking will mean that he will wish nothing good for the Knicks. He will wish that they loose and when they win he can always find something to say bad about the win.
I don't like everything that the knicks are doing but I'm a fan and I know that we are going through hard time but I also feel that we are coming out of it. We can't blame Zeke for every thing.

Papabear

Papa, imagine you love someone who's into bad things, lets say drugs. If you've talked to them about it over and over again and they are unwilling to make the hard changes that need to be made and instead keep covering their tracks pretending things are on the way up, eventully you know their habits will catch up with them, in the worst of ways, and you hope, in a sick kind of way, that maybe they'll just bottom out already so they can get clean and work their way back up. You might even let them be exposed so the gig will be up.

It's tough-love, but in the long run it might be better than the enabling so many people do with excuse making and pretending things are "just fine" when they aren't. That's nowheresville. That's when you know the person is lost without hope and things could get far, far worse before they get better because no one has the control or integrity to get a grip on the situation.

That's not love, that's denial in the face of dispair.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by misterearl:

issues and answers

dj has no issues that are apparent to the naked eye

kiila4luv can describe the hell out of some real life issues

i have major issues with anyone who roots for the Knicks to lose

Papabear Says

MisterEarl: Look at it this way Pretend the person is maried to the Knicks and he does not like what the Knicks are doing and love turns into hate. That love hate way of thinking will mean that he will wish nothing good for the Knicks. He will wish that they loose and when they win he can always find something to say bad about the win.
I don't like everything that the knicks are doing but I'm a fan and I know that we are going through hard time but I also feel that we are coming out of it. We can't blame Zeke for every thing.

Papabear

Papa, imagine you love someone who's into bad things, lets say drugs. If you've talked to them about it over and over again and they are unwilling to make the hard changes that need to be made and instead keep covering their tracks pretending things are on the way up, eventully you know their habits will catch up with them, in the worst of ways, and you hope, in a sick kind of way, that maybe they'll just bottom out already so they can get clean and work their way back up. You might even let them be exposed so the gig will be up.

It's tough-love, but in the long run it might be better than the enabling so many people do with excuse making and pretending things are "just fine" when they aren't. That's nowheresville. That's when you know the person is lost without hope and things could get far, far worse before they get better because no one has the control or integrity to get a grip on the situation.

That's not love, that's denial in the face of dispair.

Blue did you steal a little of my thunder here?

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quote:Originally posted by COSSUCKS:

I would expect around 8-12 playoff wins as well!


Knicks fans up Knicks haters down!

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Started out 3-0 in Pre-season last yr finished 4-2 and delivered an impressive regular season out of the gate on pace to a 38win season. Look at the start simply champion like


http://www.nba.com/knicks/schedule/results_2006.html


Lovers have the unconditional Love(The kind of love where their baby can do no wrong and when in a jam proceeds to bail them out every time, which leads to self destruction never learning from mistakes)

Haters have that tough Love(The kind of Love that disciplines, every now and then lays the belt on the back side and when their kid gets in a jam, when it's clearly their fault, takes the hands off approach and leaves them to find their own way out. Which leads to them becoming stronger and learning from their mistakes)

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-15-2007 12:31 AM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

True, I don't know what thread your post came from, or if I even read it. If I did it's possibe it informed my subconscious, but at the same time I this isn't the first time myself or others have used the concepts of tough-love vs enablers.

But if you really need recognition as some sort of an original thinker, go ahead and milk it for all it's worth.

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BlueSeats:

True, I don't know what thread your post came from, or if I even read it. If I did it's possibe it informed my subconscious, but at the same time I this isn't the first time myself or others have used the concepts of tough-love vs enablers.

But if you really need recognition as some sort of an original thinker, go ahead and milk it for all it's worth.

Worth absolutely nothing but we're not singing off key here. And you're right this isn't the first time it's been used I think I've used it before, maybe not on this forum but somewhere else, and I'm sure others have as well. The timeliness and span between our posts is ironic, regardless if you read mine or not.

I'll pour the milk over some Raisin Bran in the morning when I get up thank you very much.

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by misterearl:

issues and answers

dj has no issues that are apparent to the naked eye

kiila4luv can describe the hell out of some real life issues

i have major issues with anyone who roots for the Knicks to lose

Papabear Says

MisterEarl: Look at it this way Pretend the person is maried to the Knicks and he does not like what the Knicks are doing and love turns into hate. That love hate way of thinking will mean that he will wish nothing good for the Knicks. He will wish that they loose and when they win he can always find something to say bad about the win.
I don't like everything that the knicks are doing but I'm a fan and I know that we are going through hard time but I also feel that we are coming out of it. We can't blame Zeke for every thing.

Papabear

Papa, imagine you love someone who's into bad things, lets say drugs. If you've talked to them about it over and over again and they are unwilling to make the hard changes that need to be made and instead keep covering their tracks pretending things are on the way up, eventully you know their habits will catch up with them, in the worst of ways, and you hope, in a sick kind of way, that maybe they'll just bottom out already so they can get clean and work their way back up. You might even let them be exposed so the gig will be up.

It's tough-love, but in the long run it might be better than the enabling so many people do with excuse making and pretending things are "just fine" when they aren't. That's nowheresville. That's when you know the person is lost without hope and things could get far, far worse before they get better because no one has the control or integrity to get a grip on the situation.

That's not love, that's denial in the face of dispair.

Papabear Says

Blueseats: There is a difference between tough love and Hate. I can be tough on some one and show them love but what I'm reading into this is that I don't thing most of you haters are still Knicks fans. It's like a marriage gone wrong. Hey I understand that. Don't be mad and hate. Maybe it's time to find another team to root for. It will get all of this anger out of your hearts.
Peace and Love haters
Papabear



[Edited by - Papabear on 10-16-2007 01:21 AM]

You've completely missed the point.

I think there's too much hate in your heart to understand what Blue is saying. You don't want to understand the "Haters", you just want to hate on them and tell them to find another team to follow.

The "Haters" were standing right next to and sweating it out with the "Lovers" all throughout the 90's, what do you think happened between then and now that caused some us, with our numbers growing daily, to start "hating" something we all loved once? If we didn't love the Knicks at one point, we'd never care about the situation they're in now. We'd never still be on a Knicks board talking about them. That should tell you something.

Posted by islesfan:

You think because we're in the minority, which I don't think is the case anymore, and we can't bankrupt Dolan, it means we shouldn't voice our opinions?

That doesn't make any sense.