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Is Randolph going to hurt David Lee's rebounding numbers?
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misterearl
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10/12/2007  11:01 AM
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10/12/2007  11:12 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I noticed that Lee\'s rebounding numbers are down even though he has gotten over 20 minutes a game. I wonder if Lee will still average 10 reounds now that he is playing with a forward who can actually rebound. We should be one of the best rebounding teams in the league, especially once Balkman comes back.

David Lee will get his. I\'d think that Lee\'s minutes 28-32 should provide winning minutes and keep him fresh/injury free. I\'m more concerned with winning. Lee will get his $$$$ from the Knicks. He\'s not a maximu contract player but he will command 9-10mm per year. If Knicks management stays--they will just lock him up 6 years 60mm -no brainer
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10/12/2007  11:14 AM
A great man named Bippity once said:

"We should go big and use our size as a constant advantage. Make teams finally adjust to us instead of the other way around."

What a great man that guy is.
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10/12/2007  11:16 AM
Posted by blueNorange:

as long as they win
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10/12/2007  11:27 AM
I agree with winning and if every guy will do the little things we can start winning.
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10/12/2007  11:57 AM
what? we're all declaring our allegiance to winning now? should we pledge allegiance to the flag next?
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10/12/2007  12:39 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

A great man named Bippity once said:

"We should go big and use our size as a constant advantage. Make teams finally adjust to us instead of the other way around."

What a great man that guy is.

You prefer to start Lee over Q or Crawford?
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10/12/2007  12:45 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Like Killa said, "The only number I care about are the number of wins."

Who cares about individual stats?

The more important numbers are team turnovers and team assists. If the Knicks can reduce the former and increase the latter then it will be a very good year.

bulledat

The purpose of posting the question was not so much to say it was a problem, but to see if people thought Lee's rebounding numbers would go down to a more average level rather than the superhuman level they were last year. I agree that it does not really matter as long as someone gets the ball, but it was an interesting point because I remember people saying last year that Lee got so many rebounds because Frye and Curry could not rebound.
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10/12/2007  12:46 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:

A great man named Bippity once said:

"We should go big and use our size as a constant advantage. Make teams finally adjust to us instead of the other way around."

What a great man that guy is.

You prefer to start Lee over Q or Crawford?

Lee is our 6th man candidate.
Never happened last year because of big minutes and then ingury.
We will try again this year. 15-20 min should be small enough to keep him in running...


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Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:

A great man named Bippity once said:

"We should go big and use our size as a constant advantage. Make teams finally adjust to us instead of the other way around."

What a great man that guy is.

You prefer to start Lee over Q or Crawford?

I like this line-up until we are able to balance the roster
SF-Lee
PF-Randolph
C-Curry
SG-Q
PG-Marbs

Now Craw will be getting plenty of minutes so it doesn't matter if he starts at the two or comes off the bench. The reason I like this line-up to start the games is because it allows me to set the pace and put a stamp on the game. We are saying to the other teams that we are going to pound you down low and on the boards, now see if you can handle us.
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10/12/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Who cares about David's numbers, we are not his agent?
The only number I care about are the number of wins.

Yeah, I don't care about Lee's numbers per say. As long as the teams overall rebounding doesn't slip..If Zach's going to get it don't...who cares.
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10/12/2007  1:05 PM
King1, I sense you don't love Lee at the 3, and your preference (for obvious reasons) would be for him to start at the 4.

I respect your insight into the sport, so...

who do you think Lee pairs up better with upfront, Zack or Eddy?

Further, if we could chisel in stone that Lee starts at the 4, and then create the rest of the lineup from there, given the current roster who would be your starting 5?
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10/12/2007  1:19 PM
I dont love Lee at the three because he will be a defense liability. I am not saying Lee should start Randolph and Curry are better players. What I am saying is you have 3 trading chips that play inside. Get rid of one and get rid of a bad contract and get a stud 2 way player on the wing or guard position. I think David will play fine with either player because he doesnt need the ball. Take the ball out of Curry hands what is he going to bring to the team? I really think you will see Curry and Randolph in foul trouble because Zach had defensive minded center in Portland to hide his defiencies defensively and here he will have Curry.
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:

A great man named Bippity once said:

"We should go big and use our size as a constant advantage. Make teams finally adjust to us instead of the other way around."

What a great man that guy is.

You prefer to start Lee over Q or Crawford?

I like this line-up until we are able to balance the roster
SF-Lee
PF-Randolph
C-Curry
SG-Q
PG-Marbs

Now Craw will be getting plenty of minutes so it doesn't matter if he starts at the two or comes off the bench. The reason I like this line-up to start the games is because it allows me to set the pace and put a stamp on the game. We are saying to the other teams that we are going to pound you down low and on the boards, now see if you can handle us.

Since Randolph could shoot, having Lee play SF wouldn't hurt to bad. What would be your offensive game plan though. Run the offense through Randolph or Curry. Or maybe Marbury & Randolph on the pick and pop? The just have Lee, Curry, Randolph & Q crash the boards.

After hearing Crawford speak earlier though. If he isn't starting, I think he would start to sulk.
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10/12/2007  1:34 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by misterearl:

Like Killa said, "The only number I care about are the number of wins."

Who cares about individual stats?

The more important numbers are team turnovers and team assists. If the Knicks can reduce the former and increase the latter then it will be a very good year.

bulledat

The purpose of posting the question was not so much to say it was a problem, but to see if people thought Lee's rebounding numbers would go down to a more average level rather than the superhuman level they were last year. I agree that it does not really matter as long as someone gets the ball, but it was an interesting point because I remember people saying last year that Lee got so many rebounds because Frye and Curry could not rebound.

Hold up, did you say Superhuman?

When Lee starts to reach 20 rebounds per game you might have a valid point.

Superhuman?

C'mon.


[Edited by - misterearl on 10-12-2007 1:36 PM]
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10/12/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

King1, I sense you don't love Lee at the 3, and your preference (for obvious reasons) would be for him to start at the 4.

I respect your insight into the sport, so...

who do you think Lee pairs up better with upfront, Zack or Eddy?
Zach pairs up better with anyone than Eddy would because Zach is the far better player.

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10/12/2007  1:52 PM
1. Is the return of Jamal Crawford going to help Eddy Curry's numbers?

2. Is Quentin Richardson's shot selection going to hurt Stephon Marbury's numbers or will he eventually hurt Stephon Marbury with a left hook?

3. Will the aggressive second unit hurt the numbers of the first unit?



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10/12/2007  1:53 PM
4. Who will the return of Renaldo Balkman hurt?
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10/12/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by King1:

I dont love Lee at the three because he will be a defense liability. I am not saying Lee should start Randolph and Curry are better players. What I am saying is you have 3 trading chips that play inside. Get rid of one and get rid of a bad contract and get a stud 2 way player on the wing or guard position. I think David will play fine with either player because he doesnt need the ball. Take the ball out of Curry hands what is he going to bring to the team? I really think you will see Curry and Randolph in foul trouble because Zach had defensive minded center in Portland to hide his defiencies defensively and here he will have Curry.

King, I hear everything you are saying, but while you're saying Curry and Zack should start, because they are better players, you're also saying you don't think they'll work together but lee could work with either. I also know you want Lee in a situation where he can be a prime-time 4.

So I'm asking:

1. How do you think Lee should be utilized to best serve the Knicks?

Are you saying his best value is in a trade, or do you think he should stay and C or Z's should be traded?

The problem is that none of them are good two-way players.
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10/12/2007  2:20 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bippity10:

A great man named Bippity once said:

"We should go big and use our size as a constant advantage. Make teams finally adjust to us instead of the other way around."

What a great man that guy is.

You prefer to start Lee over Q or Crawford?

I like this line-up until we are able to balance the roster
SF-Lee
PF-Randolph
C-Curry
SG-Q
PG-Marbs

Now Craw will be getting plenty of minutes so it doesn't matter if he starts at the two or comes off the bench. The reason I like this line-up to start the games is because it allows me to set the pace and put a stamp on the game. We are saying to the other teams that we are going to pound you down low and on the boards, now see if you can handle us.

Since Randolph could shoot, having Lee play SF wouldn't hurt to bad. What would be your offensive game plan though. Run the offense through Randolph or Curry. Or maybe Marbury & Randolph on the pick and pop? The just have Lee, Curry, Randolph & Q crash the boards.

After hearing Crawford speak earlier though. If he isn't starting, I think he would start to sulk.

It does make it tough with Lee not being able to shoot but not impossible because like you said Zach can get some of that done. I have to be honest I've only seen Zach play 5 or 6 times so I don't have a great grasp of his game but based on what I know here is what I would do.

I would go double low blocks with Lee on a wing, Q on a wing and my point up top. It's basically a two man offense with cutters. I play two man game mostly with Lee and a post player to his side. When the ball is dumped I have alternate cuts from the point and the opposite wing. So Lee dumps to curry(or Randolph). Randolph is on the opposite block. Opposite wing cuts to the middle, hopefully Curry finds him. If not wing goes through and back to the weak side. Randolph now pops to the high post, sets a back screen on Marbs man and now Marbs cuts through. We can now run a high low with Randolph and Curry if Curry kicks back out. This is just an example and this type of offense and I think Isiah ran a version of it last night. It creates action, gives our big guys time to work and will put our PG in position to go one on one which is their strength. It also allows our wing players to get in position for weakside rebounds after shots from the post. It's easier to draw on a chalkboard than to explain of course.

The ideal team would have a great passer in the post and a great shooter on both wings and be very good at swinging the ball. But it can work without these things. We ran it in spurts last night with Lee and Randolph and it looked very good. With good passing from the guards and forwards it can work with Curry as well
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