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10/10/2007  12:13 PM
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Posted by misterearl:

VDesai - so what would you propose as a startegy to compliment to backup rookie center Randolph Morris?

Nate Robinson. I don't think his production could be much worse

balkman played center against yao last yaear & did an effective job- not that many centers (Shaq & Howard) that Balkman couldn't guard.
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10/10/2007  12:15 PM
if Fred Jones & Jerome James are released, my money says no other team signs them.

If nichols is let go, another team will sign him fast & put him in the NBDL.

I've defended the JJ1 signing at the time it was made- but at this stage, we've eaten bigger deals to free up spots- no reason to keep 2 has been vets that won't be in the league if we let them go.
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10/10/2007  12:36 PM
I just think it's a mistake to let a guy go who could be part of the teams future and fill an area of NEED. Jones, Malik and James are really not needed. Jones may be a good team guy, so I don't mind him, but what purpose do Malik and Jerome really serve? If Malik and Jerome were both injured, would it make any difference? Malik would actually be my 1st choice over Jerome. He's a much more effective player even tho he's small. Let Jerome go and end this already.
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10/10/2007  12:37 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by martin:

are you referring to the heart test with Curry? I am pretty sure he took the test about 100 times to verify.

No, I was talking about the DNA test that Curry refused to take that would've cleared all doubts for Paxson.

would you take a dna test for your employer? i sure wouldn't. also, the test only proves that you DO have the disease not that you DON'T.
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10/10/2007  12:52 PM
Actually, the DNA test only proves if you have a genetic predisposition for the disease, which is why Curry, correctly I think, didn't take it.

Its a lose-lose for Curry. Just having a predisposition for something doesn't mean you have it, so it comes out positive that means your career is over for possibly no reason. It comes out negative, that doesn't mean you don't have it either. So what would it prove?
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10/10/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by misterearl:

VDesai - so what would you propose as a startegy to compliment to backup rookie center Randolph Morris?

You can get away with playing Zach at center, and I have no problem forcefeeding the youngs like Morris into action. They need to play as much as anything.
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10/10/2007  2:47 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by misterearl:

VDesai - so what would you propose as a startegy to compliment to backup rookie center Randolph Morris?

You can get away with playing Zach at center, and I have no problem forcefeeding the youngs like Morris into action. They need to play as much as anything.

malik rose is also a more serviceable backup center than jerome james.
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10/10/2007  2:59 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Actually, the DNA test only proves if you have a genetic predisposition for the disease, which is why Curry, correctly I think, didn't take it.

Its a lose-lose for Curry. Just having a predisposition for something doesn't mean you have it, so it comes out positive that means your career is over for possibly no reason. It comes out negative, that doesn't mean you don't have it either. So what would it prove?

Absolutely that it's not conclusive. But let's not get caught up on technicalities. It would shed a lot of light on the issue and help prevent a disaster from happening. The fact is that Paxson seemed to genuinely care for Eddy's safety; he didn't want him to wind up dead on the court on day, so he had good intentions. As for Eddy, if someone offered me $20 million to protect MY health and safety, I'd call that a good deal. By not taking it, it could mean (as was rumored) that he likely already took it and knew the result.
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10/10/2007  3:48 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by RemBee76:

Actually, the DNA test only proves if you have a genetic predisposition for the disease, which is why Curry, correctly I think, didn't take it.

Its a lose-lose for Curry. Just having a predisposition for something doesn't mean you have it, so it comes out positive that means your career is over for possibly no reason. It comes out negative, that doesn't mean you don't have it either. So what would it prove?

Absolutely that it's not conclusive. But let's not get caught up on technicalities. It would shed a lot of light on the issue and help prevent a disaster from happening. The fact is that Paxson seemed to genuinely care for Eddy's safety; he didn't want him to wind up dead on the court on day, so he had good intentions. As for Eddy, if someone offered me $20 million to protect MY health and safety, I'd call that a good deal. By not taking it, it could mean (as was rumored) that he likely already took it and knew the result.

From the Curry perspective, there is nothing good that can come about by Eddy taking the test at CHI's request
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10/10/2007  6:07 PM
Posted by martin:
From the Curry perspective, there is nothing good that can come about by Eddy taking the test at CHI's request

Exactly.

Not to mention that the test isn’t considered by many cardiologists to be that reliable in the first place.

I can appreciate that Paxson was genuinely concerned about Curry’s health. However, it’s clear he was primarily acting to protect any investment that Chicago was about to make. Of all the doctors that Chicago had examine Eddy, only one suggested the DNA test, a guy that happened to be a vocal proponent of the test already. I suspect that Chicago insisted on it because it was presented to them by that doctor as a way to “guarantee” the investment.

Eddy was right to have no part in that.


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10/10/2007  6:14 PM
I'll be upset if we lose Nichols - he seems to have too much ceiling to not keep.
He knew what he was doing saying he wouldn't play in Europe- someone will take him this year based on potential- I hope it works out though.
What about a roster dump move? A two for one? I really would love to see a little fat-trimming trade before the season starts.

If you are still following the team and reading sites like this, there is nothing, short of your own demise, that is going to throw you off this train.
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10/10/2007  6:16 PM
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rembee, like your sig. sebstar gives good quote.
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10/10/2007  7:23 PM
Isn't Fred Jones basically an older Mardy Collins? A borderline NBA player who has to bust his ass on defense and protect the ball on offense just to stay in the league?

He's why they may not be able to keep a guy who supposedly has an actual NBA skill, shooting, that they happen to need desperately?
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10/10/2007  10:24 PM
If Isiah waives Nichols he should be fired immediately. Well, he should've already been fired, but this would be terrible to the extreme. How can you give Allan Houston a chance to play when he probably wont, and deny a young guy who wants to play here the chance? Isiah got him, for God's sake. This is all about Isiah's pride. Nichols made him look bad when he rejected the option of playing overseas. Hey, the guy wants to stay here and has the talent to help us now in an area we needed help: long shooting. What does he do? Keeps Big Fade James doing absolutely nothing so he doesn't accept his failure on the signing. I can't stand that. We have Curry at C and Morris can back him up. If we need another body we can use Jeffries for some minutes and even go small with the many talented big men we have. Nichols must stay and if Isiah lets him go it will be a pretty bad day for the organization, and Im sure we are already tired of those...
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10/11/2007  1:00 AM
"If Isiah waives Nichols he should be fired immediately"

Knicksfan - c'mon, no need to sound like a Drama Queen. Nichols has gotta prove himself like every other rookie in the NBA. What is so patently wrong with healthy competition for the precious 15 roster spots and the more cherished minutes?

The more the merrier.

The sky ain't falling, the players are getting after it and the sun will come up tomorrow. Whether you think Isiah needs to be fired or not is moot because there are STILL plenty of decisions to be made in the process by the front office.

October 29th here we come


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10/11/2007  1:15 AM
Papabear Says

I like Nicoles and if everyone would stop saying Zeke is out after this season. Maybe he would take a chance with Nichols. But it's win now. So Nicholes didn't want to go over seas and we have no trak
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10/11/2007  1:38 AM
Posted by Papabear:

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I like Nicoles and if everyone would stop saying Zeke is out after this season. Maybe he would take a chance with Nichols. But it's win now. So Nicholes didn't want to go over seas and we have no trak

Yeah, it's the Knicks fans fault if Nichols get released.

Isiah is the victim...again. Nothing is ever Isiah's fault.
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10/11/2007  1:53 AM
Posted by eViL:


Why can't we just sent D-Nic to the D-League?

Still counts as a roster spot...
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10/11/2007  2:15 AM
Posted by islesfan:
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Papabear Says

I like Nicoles and if everyone would stop saying Zeke is out after this season. Maybe he would take a chance with Nichols. But it's win now. So Nicholes didn't want to go over seas and we have no trak

Yeah, it's the Knicks fans fault if Nichols get released.

Isiah is the victim...again. Nothing is ever Isiah's fault.

Re-read the sentence. It makes sense. With pressure to win now or lose his job, Isiah's personal interest is best served by stacking the team with veteran players rather than rookies with "potential". No one is saying this is the correct organizational plan, it is a simple statement about what is expected of the team.

However, Papa's statement would be more colorable if it was coherent, for starters, and if it actually dealt with the reality of the roster size. The truth is that the bloated roster/payroll is Isiah's monster at this point (Layden's mess with Houston is officially off the books!) such that there is no blamng the prior general manager for the state of the team. The "look at what I started with" argument about Howard Eisley and Keith Van Horn becomes much less impressive this many draft picks later (I note that Maciej Lampe is not the perennial all-star that many people lambasted Isiah for trading). I don't expect to win this year and I don't think that having DNich on the IR versus Fred Jones on the IR will have a great impact on the Knick's playoff probabilities. I hope Isiah figures out a plan to make it work, cause I do not want to see him in Celtic green. I will bet money that's where he ends up if he gets cut...
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10/11/2007  4:18 AM
It doesn't make any sense. The job description of the General Manager and Team President of the New York Knicks has nothing to do with the self preservation of Isiah Thomas. It has to do with being the caretaker of the short term AND long term future of the franchise It's not about how Isiah's personal interests are best served. If that even remotely becomes a factor in the GM's decision making then he needs to go right then and there.

That should NEVER be "expected" and it should NEVER "make sense".
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Nichols Stock fell because of false Hepatitis C Test

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