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islesfan
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10/5/2007  3:55 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by Ira:

I'm glad we had this poll to give us all an idea of where we stand, but can we stop the call-out threads from both sides of the issue and limit new thread to basketball content?

Things will get much more basketball-oriented once some actual basketball games get played. Until then, I expect more snippy posting.

Fuck you.
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10/5/2007  3:57 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:


Things will get much more basketball-oriented once some actual basketball games get played. Until then, I expect more snippy posting.


True, when the actual games are played, UK will be back to the normal naked contempt, vitriol and venom.


[Edited by - K22 on Oct 05 2007 3:58 PM]
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Panos
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10/5/2007  4:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I am a Knicks fan. I criticize players that play bad like Jared Jeffries and praise those who do good like David Lee. A lot of people are bitter because the Knicks missed the playoffs once again. Understandable. I believe if we were not plagued by injuries we would have been in the playoffs. Shoulda Woulda Coulda. I cant harp on the past, but I know we finally had a promising season and with the huge acquisition of Z. Bo why should I not be optimistic? The season has not started. If we begin losing then we have reason to hate, but each season is a brand new start. Every team starts at 0-0.

Huge acquisition? Zach's an above average starting PF but is he even top 10 at his position? I'm not sure he's top ten even if you ignore his character issues for the sake of discussion.

Duncan
Garnett
Brand
Dirk
D Howard
Amare
Boozer
Bosh
Gasol
J O'Neal
maybe Okafor, Al Jefferson, Ant. Jamison, D Lee, T Chandler

There are 30 teams. Ranking 15th makes you an average starter. Zach's between 11 and 16. We got a slightly above average starting PF.


Dude again with this. Didn't we go over this months ago?
I'm not big on Zach, but if you are going to diss the guy,
try to be straight about it.
Amare, Howard, Chandler, O'Neil, Okafor are at least part-time centers,
and some may be full-time centers. You can't use the same people to
knock down Curry AND Zach. Otherwise, just do a front court list and
put both Zach and Curry in it.

Panos
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10/5/2007  4:22 PM
And how is Lee better than Zach at this point?
Or Chandler? Or Gasol?
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10/5/2007  4:23 PM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I am a Knicks fan. I criticize players that play bad like Jared Jeffries and praise those who do good like David Lee. A lot of people are bitter because the Knicks missed the playoffs once again. Understandable. I believe if we were not plagued by injuries we would have been in the playoffs. Shoulda Woulda Coulda. I cant harp on the past, but I know we finally had a promising season and with the huge acquisition of Z. Bo why should I not be optimistic? The season has not started. If we begin losing then we have reason to hate, but each season is a brand new start. Every team starts at 0-0.

Huge acquisition? Zach's an above average starting PF but is he even top 10 at his position? I'm not sure he's top ten even if you ignore his character issues for the sake of discussion.

Duncan
Garnett
Brand
Dirk
D Howard
Amare
Boozer
Bosh
Gasol
J O'Neal
maybe Okafor, Al Jefferson, Ant. Jamison, D Lee, T Chandler

There are 30 teams. Ranking 15th makes you an average starter. Zach's between 11 and 16. We got a slightly above average starting PF.

Al Jefferson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Are you coherent????
He was close to 20/10 (I think like 17/11) with lot of blocked shots in the 2nd half of the season. Sure contract plays a factor, but I guarantee you the Celtics could get more for Al Jefferson than Frye and Francis--I'd bet that would be the case even if they had the same contract.

However, the main point from my message is that Zach is merely a slightly above average starting PF, yet people are talking about him as if he's the turning point for this franchise. He's basically *the* reason, some argue, that the failures of the Knicks this decade are irrelevant to predicting this upcoming season, yet he's only a slightly above average starter.
subzero0
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10/5/2007  4:34 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I am a Knicks fan. I criticize players that play bad like Jared Jeffries and praise those who do good like David Lee. A lot of people are bitter because the Knicks missed the playoffs once again. Understandable. I believe if we were not plagued by injuries we would have been in the playoffs. Shoulda Woulda Coulda. I cant harp on the past, but I know we finally had a promising season and with the huge acquisition of Z. Bo why should I not be optimistic? The season has not started. If we begin losing then we have reason to hate, but each season is a brand new start. Every team starts at 0-0.

Huge acquisition? Zach's an above average starting PF but is he even top 10 at his position? I'm not sure he's top ten even if you ignore his character issues for the sake of discussion.

Duncan
Garnett
Brand
Dirk
D Howard
Amare
Boozer
Bosh
Gasol
J O'Neal
maybe Okafor, Al Jefferson, Ant. Jamison, D Lee, T Chandler

There are 30 teams. Ranking 15th makes you an average starter. Zach's between 11 and 16. We got a slightly above average starting PF.

Al Jefferson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Are you coherent????
He was close to 20/10 (I think like 17/11) with lot of blocked shots in the 2nd half of the season. Sure contract plays a factor, but I guarantee you the Celtics could get more for Al Jefferson than Frye and Francis--I'd bet that would be the case even if they had the same contract.

However, the main point from my message is that Zach is merely a slightly above average starting PF, yet people are talking about him as if he's the turning point for this franchise. He's basically *the* reason, some argue, that the failures of the Knicks this decade are irrelevant to predicting this upcoming season, yet he's only a slightly above average starter.


Most of the guys on your list hardly play pf!!! Most play center. You've gotta be off your rocker bro. I dont even know how to attack your logic, THATS how bad your point is! And then you argue that Al Jefferson is ALMOST a 20 and 10 scorer when Zach Randolf ACTUALLY IS a 20 and 10 scorer.

I dont think the major pharmaceutical companies have been able to develop a medication that can help you bro. But hang in there i am sure hope will come in some way soon.
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10/5/2007  4:37 PM
^ You don't seriously think that Zach Randolph is better than Al Jefferson, do you? Proof is in the pudding: Al Jefferson was the main piece in a KG trade. Do you think Zach could've netted KG? Not a chance.
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10/5/2007  5:35 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

I am a Knicks fan. I criticize players that play bad like Jared Jeffries and praise those who do good like David Lee. A lot of people are bitter because the Knicks missed the playoffs once again. Understandable. I believe if we were not plagued by injuries we would have been in the playoffs. Shoulda Woulda Coulda. I cant harp on the past, but I know we finally had a promising season and with the huge acquisition of Z. Bo why should I not be optimistic? The season has not started. If we begin losing then we have reason to hate, but each season is a brand new start. Every team starts at 0-0.

Huge acquisition? Zach's an above average starting PF but is he even top 10 at his position? I'm not sure he's top ten even if you ignore his character issues for the sake of discussion.

Duncan
Garnett
Brand
Dirk
D Howard
Amare
Boozer
Bosh
Gasol
J O'Neal
maybe Okafor, Al Jefferson, Ant. Jamison, D Lee, T Chandler

There are 30 teams. Ranking 15th makes you an average starter. Zach's between 11 and 16. We got a slightly above average starting PF.


Okay. I need some clarification. This is the same list of guys you used when you ranked them all above Curry. Are these guys PF's or Centers or both? You can't use the same list for both positions.
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10/5/2007  5:35 PM
Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
Solace
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10/5/2007  6:12 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........

Nobody should classify themselves as a realist except Islesfan. He's the only one that's been right every single time since day 1.
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subzero0
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10/5/2007  6:22 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........

Nobody should classify themselves as a realist except Islesfan. He's the only one that's been right every single time since day 1.

Why dont you marry him then?
islesfan
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10/5/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........

Nobody should classify themselves as a realist except Islesfan. He's the only one that's been right every single time since day 1.

When are people going to start realizing this?
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10/5/2007  6:26 PM
Posted by subzero0:

Why dont you marry him then?

What a stupid question. Why don't you marry Isiah?
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10/5/2007  6:33 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........

Nobody should classify themselves as a realist except Islesfan. He's the only one that's been right every single time since day 1.

What is your definition of a realist?
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islesfan
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10/5/2007  6:40 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........

Nobody should classify themselves as a realist except Islesfan. He's the only one that's been right every single time since day 1.

What is your definition of a realist?

Me. What did you not understand?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
subzero0
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10/5/2007  6:42 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by subzero0:

Why dont you marry him then?

What a stupid question. Why don't you marry Isiah?

Yea, I guess that was a stupid question. I should have known you guys are already hitched. You must excuse me I am not up to speed on this summers events on this site.
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10/5/2007  6:48 PM
Posted by subzero0:

Yea, I guess that was a stupid question. I should have known you guys are already hitched. You must excuse me I am not up to speed on this summers events on this site.

Haha. Righhhhhht. That's original, Tim Hardaway. Anyway, my girlfriend might object to your accusations.

Nice to know that you couldn't argue the actual point in any of these threads, so instead you came up with some (really lame) insults.
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Solace
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10/5/2007  6:52 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

Oh, BTW, I'm a realist.........

Nobody should classify themselves as a realist except Islesfan. He's the only one that's been right every single time since day 1.

What is your definition of a realist?

A) Make your best attempt to be fair.
B) Have a tendency towards being correct in your assessments.

I'm honestly not sure of your track record, but I'll say this: I am not sure that everyone on this forum tries A and I know the "lovers" have failed massively so far at B. Regardless, calling yourself a realist sounds arrogant. In my experience, most people who say they're realists have been really far out there (not all). If you were really a realist, maybe we'd have other people on the forum calling you one, as well.

In other words: "don't break your arm patting yourself on the back." Just some friendly advice.
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subzero0
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10/5/2007  6:55 PM
Posted by Solace:

^ You don't seriously think that Zach Randolph is better than Al Jefferson, do you? Proof is in the pudding: Al Jefferson was the main piece in a KG trade. Do you think Zach could've netted KG? Not a chance.

I gave you statistics and you gave me a pudding recipe and then say that I dont argue my points.

wow.

[Edited by - subzero0 on 10-05-2007 6:56 PM]
islesfan
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10/5/2007  6:59 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by subzero0:

Yea, I guess that was a stupid question. I should have known you guys are already hitched. You must excuse me I am not up to speed on this summers events on this site.

Haha. Righhhhhht. That's original, Tim Hardaway. Anyway, my girlfriend might object to your accusations.

Nice to know that you couldn't argue the actual point in any of these threads, so instead you came up with some (really lame) insults.

You took that as an insult?

I'm insulted.

I guess that means you're not getting in the truck.
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