Posted by MODI:

Yes, COSSUCKS is right because I'm the author of the articles.

Firstly, I am happy to come across any site dedicated to the Knicks as I discovered it to through backlinks to the COSELLOUT blog. Besides, like everyone else, I want the Knicks to win! So, first and foremost I would like to address Solace's comments. I take criticism very well as I want to find truth first and foremost. However, that criticism must have a foundation and be well thought out.

Solace: you write: "This is a plain awful source of misinformation. Half of what was written wasn't even true"

Can you demonstrare which statements aren't true? If so, i will be happy to clarify.

"A site which claims that Isiah Thomas's "trading record is overwhelmingly positive" is on the brink of being one of the most ridiculous pieces of junk I've ever seen."

Okay then, which one of these trades would you take back? Please be specific.

1) Keith Van Horn becomes David Lee and Mardy Collins (via draft picks obtained in interim Nazi Mohammed trade)
2) Dikembe Mutombo, O. Harrington, & F. Williams become Jamaal Crawford
3) Kurt Thomas becomes Quentin Richardson & Nate Robinson (via draft pick)
4) Antonio Davis becomes Renaldo Balkman (via draft pick acquired with Jalen Rose)

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=128

let's talk

Posted by MODI:

I consider most Isiah haters media victims to tell you the truth. I can talk to haters as long as the discussion is on facts and not parroting blowhards like Mike Lupica.

Posted by Nalod:


the thing that really gets lost sometimes is when you break down each trade or draft, Isiah has done a decent job.

But when you add them all up, it really has not done a thing.

Take the Marbury trade. Really, pound for pound we did not give up much. But we added a huge contract for a player who has not even come close to living up to what was expected of him.
We all assume Laydens team would be frozen in time. That is untrue. Layden also had to undo some very difficult roster moves that were unequitable for the knicks. Dolan was on a morality binge at that time and the vault was not available to him.

Isiah spent an ungodly some of money to do what we thought was impossible. That is glossed over.

It is fair to say that Isiah the drafter has done a very good job of obtaining talent, but like Layden if you have to encapsulize the job done in a specific period of time then one can only conclude Isiah has been a disaster. But the only difference is he has been allowed to parlay millions into draft choices and did a very good job of drafting.

Again, the only thing missing from those rookies are actual wins!

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Nalod:


the thing that really gets lost sometimes is when you break down each trade or draft, Isiah has done a decent job.

But when you add them all up, it really has not done a thing.

Take the Marbury trade. Really, pound for pound we did not give up much. But we added a huge contract for a player who has not even come close to living up to what was expected of him.
We all assume Laydens team would be frozen in time. That is untrue. Layden also had to undo some very difficult roster moves that were unequitable for the knicks. Dolan was on a morality binge at that time and the vault was not available to him.

Isiah spent an ungodly some of money to do what we thought was impossible. That is glossed over.

It is fair to say that Isiah the drafter has done a very good job of obtaining talent, but like Layden if you have to encapsulize the job done in a specific period of time then one can only conclude Isiah has been a disaster. But the only difference is he has been allowed to parlay millions into draft choices and did a very good job of drafting.

Again, the only thing missing from those rookies are actual wins!

don't forget. we still have another unprotected #1 to give up in that trade.

Posted by misterearl:

Wilson Chandler makes me smile

Nalod - the only asset Cablevision had when it came to the Knicks was an ungodly amount of money.

Do you recall any NBA franchise calling Layden and demanding the Knicks 2003 dreck...?

NOpe, but I don't remember the we were giving the rebates either that Isiah got to dole out.

I do remember after Dice went down we did nothing. Dolan was either being smart and waiting for contracts to get to the last year or was being spiteful. I do remember being very happy we were not doing anything stupid and perhaps the end of starphuching was near and we'd build from the draft.

I believe Laydens work was unfinished. Might not be fair but he got paid a ton and it was what it was.

There are many variables to say what could have been different. If was say Layden sucked based on his record then it is what it is. Those contracts could have been used differnt and was still our picks. We had assets. Thats what Isiah used by the way. Picks, players and cash. Dolan lost faith in Layden. That was not hard to do even for an idiot like him.

Isiah did what he did and the results have been pathetic. A sub .500 season would be a disaster given the payroll we have.

The other thing is even if we squeek into the 8th spot, does it really make up for 4 really awful seasons? Isiah banked his legacy on Marbury.

Im not defending Layden, his record speaks for itself. One must use the same criteria for Isiah. The record speaks for itself.

Strip our ot vets we are a young team that would not win many games. With our Vets, we have not been much better. None of our young guys are franchise talent. Add it all up you got what you got.