Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Queenie That is a very important fact you posted. Hopefully the jury has a verdict fast so Isiah can get this team ready for the season and playoffs.

Playoffs???

LOL You're a funny guy.

Whats so funny? Before our injuries last season we were in the 7th or 8th seed. Thats before Zach Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Demetrius Nicols and with a very young team.

And also before they started to play teams over .500 after a ridiculously soft schedule. And before other teams in the east got better.

Like I said, you're funny talking about the playoffs.

Posted by djsunyc:

i'm sure all media will be instructed that no questions about the trial will be allowed.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by joec32033:

Just pretend it's not happening and it will all go away.

That's really the best thing we can do

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Queenie That is a very important fact you posted. Hopefully the jury has a verdict fast so Isiah can get this team ready for the season and playoffs.

Playoffs???

LOL You're a funny guy.

Whats so funny? Before our injuries last season we were in the 7th or 8th seed. Thats before Zach Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Demetrius Nicols and with a very young team.

And also before they started to play teams over .500 after a ridiculously soft schedule. And before other teams in the east got better.

Like I said, you're funny talking about the playoffs.

1st off the Knicks weren't the same team at the start of the year as they were later in the year. So we had a higher amount of losses early and it skews the way you look at the team. If you look at how the team was playing after Nov. You can see that they started to play better Nov. was really bad, but Dec., Jan. & Feb. the team got better each month. Then the injuries hit in Mar. and things wen't south.

The team was 5 games under .500 at the time the mass injuries started. They were 29-34 with 19 games to go. In your mind it wasn't the fact that we lost Lee, Q and Jamal, but it was just a tougher schedule and improved play by Eastern Conf. teams. Well then don't you think that it was a MAJOR FACTOR that they lost top players when the competition got tougher?

We're talking about the final 19 games, not early in the year when a team could have a chance to regroup and get things back together. There was not time to allow for adjustments or learning on the fly for our young guys who got thrown in there. However, you decide to pick on the team and kick them just because they couldn't absorb crucial injuries at the worst possible time. Forget about the fact that the team was just starting to develop, confidence chemistry and an identity, which they didn't have to start the season. I find your take on the season to be overly critical. You're not alone, but I think people seem to forget what this team was trying to achieve all in one season. I don't see last year as a total failure. I would love to see what the team would've done closer to full strength.

In any even this year the team is stronger and even with Balk being down, we still have so much talent that I expect this team to have a much better start to the year than we've seen the last 2 years. We should be right in the mix all year and make the playoffs. A few days of camp missed by Isiah shouldn't change a thing.

No that's not going to fly because they should of had a better record than .500, when they were playing full strength during the weaker schedule and they shouldn't have dropped games later in the schedule against teams like Seattle, Portland, Hornets(2), Philadelphia, Minnesota. Nix it really gets down to this.... Where in the schedule could the team have won 8-9gms more games? The answer is when everyone else had injuries and when the schedule was tougher and when they played against equal to lesser caliber teams late in the season. They failed at every opportunity.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-29-2007 3:31 PM]

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Queenie That is a very important fact you posted. Hopefully the jury has a verdict fast so Isiah can get this team ready for the season and playoffs.

Playoffs???

LOL You're a funny guy.

Whats so funny? Before our injuries last season we were in the 7th or 8th seed. Thats before Zach Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Demetrius Nicols and with a very young team.

And also before they started to play teams over .500 after a ridiculously soft schedule. And before other teams in the east got better.

Like I said, you're funny talking about the playoffs.

LOL if you want to ignore losing 4 of the teams top 5 players thats on you. I cant pull your head out of the sand.

I'm sure you remembered we were 6gms under .500 at full strength, before the injuries hit right?

Yes they were pretty much the same 5-6 games from the start of the season. For a couple of months we played 500 ball or better.

We started off the season not realizing how we had to play to win. We did not have a team identity and had a bit of a Larry Brown hangover. Then Isiah started feeding Curry raw meat and hot sauce and we found a team identity.
We were 7-13 I think around the first week of December.

Then we went like 23-23 and were in either the 7th or 8th playoff slot. Then we lost 4 of our top 5 players nearly at once and collasped like any team in the NBA probably would in the same conditions.

That was the beginning of our turnaround. Now after add 3 quality players and all our young guys having more experience we will come out and take the next step towards the ECF.

Read my last post that's not a good enough excuse. No excuse is really ever valid but the injury one is probably the weakest of them all. Where in the schedule could the team have won 8-9 more games? Here's a very objective way to look at things

We were 3-13 in the division. If were at least .500 that's about a 4gm improvement and let's keep in mind .500 isn't good, it's mediocre. BTW Boston was 7-9, Philadelphia was 9-7, New Jersey was 10-6, and Toronto was 11-5 every team having serious roster issues throughout the yr whether with injuries or trades

We lost games to New Orleans Hornets(2gms) a very injury riddled team.

We lost to the Bobcats(2gms) a team that didn't have the same depth as ours and had a few injuries. Okafor missed 15gms. We shouldn't have split with them

We lost to the Sonics(1gm) who had injuries to Lewis and Ray, 22 and 27gms respectively, who finished with a worse record than ours. When we lost to them it was a home game

We lost to Minnesota(2gms) who finished with a worse record than us

We lost to Indian(2gms) before the Brawl which means we were at full strength with exception to Q


So by my count that's 13 winnable games and let's say we don't win them all, regardless of the scenarios are 8-9gms reasonable to expect? I think with the team we had we just sucked and didn't take advantage when we had the opportunities. And when is making the playoffs as an 8th seed a good thing. I recall Nix goofing on Orlando for getting their Azz handed to them by Det, which goes to show expectations for this team should be higher than just squeaking into post season. The team should have been a 45win team the past 2 seasons. It should win about 50 this season if everyone played to their potential. But our team, along with everything has too many underlying issues to ever be the right kind of good. Especially when we have many of the fan base constantly apologizing for their failures.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-29-2007 4:02 PM]

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-29-2007 4:07 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Queenie That is a very important fact you posted. Hopefully the jury has a verdict fast so Isiah can get this team ready for the season and playoffs.

Playoffs???

LOL You're a funny guy.

Whats so funny? Before our injuries last season we were in the 7th or 8th seed. Thats before Zach Randolph, Wilson Chandler, Demetrius Nicols and with a very young team.

And also before they started to play teams over .500 after a ridiculously soft schedule. And before other teams in the east got better.

Like I said, you're funny talking about the playoffs.

LOL if you want to ignore losing 4 of the teams top 5 players thats on you. I cant pull your head out of the sand.

I'm sure you remembered we were 6gms under .500 at full strength, before the injuries hit right?

Yes they were pretty much the same 5-6 games from the start of the season. For a couple of months we played 500 ball or better.

We started off the season not realizing how we had to play to win. We did not have a team identity and had a bit of a Larry Brown hangover. Then Isiah started feeding Curry raw meat and hot sauce and we found a team identity.
We were 7-13 I think around the first week of December.

Then we went like 23-23 and were in either the 7th or 8th playoff slot. Then we lost 4 of our top 5 players nearly at once and collasped like any team in the NBA probably would in the same conditions.

That was the beginning of our turnaround. Now after add 3 quality players and all our young guys having more experience we will come out and take the next step towards the ECF.

Read my last post that's not a good enough excuse. No excuse is really ever valid but the injury one is probably the weakest of them all. Where in the schedule could the team have won 8-9 more games? Here's a very objective way to look at things

We were 3-13 in the division. If were at least .500 that's about a 4gm improvement and let's keep in mind .500 isn't good, it's mediocre. BTW Boston was 7-9, Philadelphia was 9-7, New Jersey was 10-6, and Toronto was 11-5 every team having serious roster issues throughout the yr whether with injuries or trades

We lost games to New Orleans Hornets(2gms) a very injury riddled team.

We lost to the Bobcats(2gms) a team that didn't have the same depth as ours and had a few injuries. Okafor missed 15gms. We shouldn't have split with them

We lost to the Sonics(1gm) who had injuries to Lewis and Ray, 22 and 27gms respectively, who finished with a worse record than ours. When we lost to them it was a home game

We lost to Minnesota(2gms) who finished with a worse record than us

We lost to Indian(2gms) before the Brawl which means we were at full strength with exception to Q


So by my count that's 13 winnable games and let's say we don't win them all, regardless of the scenarios are 8-9gms reasonable to expect? I think with the team we had we just sucked and didn't take advantage when we had the opportunities. And when is making the playoffs as an 8th seed a good thing. I recall Nix goofing on Orlando for getting their Azz handed to them by Det, which goes to show expectations for this team should be higher than just squeaking into post season. The team should have been a 45win team the past 2 seasons. It should win about 50 this season if everyone played to their potential. But our team, along with everything has too many underlying issues to ever be the right kind of good. Especially when we have many of the fan base constantly apologizing for their failures.

With your points all you're doing is pointing out the results of this teams lack of Confidence, Chemistry and Identity, which Cossuck and I have been talking about. We lost games due to a lack of cohesion and chemistry early in the season. You want to make it seem like just because we had the talent to win 45 or more games the last 2 yrs, that we should ignore a coach who didn't care for the players and didn't try. We should ignore that a new coach had to come in with yet another system and try to undo the damage that LB did. We should just ignore that despite a load of talent, it still takes time to develop young players, of which we had many and we needed those players to play well in order to win. We should just ignore that we had a crippling amount of injuries at the worst time.

We already know that the team lost games it shouldn't have and that we had a dismal record against our own Div. All of which is horrible, but we were right there with all the other teams at that point in the season, so it's not like we didn't have a chance if healthy. If we had started the year at the stage we are now with Confidence, Chemistry and an Identity, we probably don't go 6-11 to start the season and lose all those home games.

I understand what you're trying to say, but on Mar. 10th, Q's back flaired up and that meant we had lost Lee, Jamal and Q. This team was 29-34 and 5 games under .500 at that point, with 19 games to go.
I expected that this team would get better as the season went along and it was doing that. Isles wants to make it seem like it was all about the level of comp. I think that's a convenient take for someone who doesn't like the team and wants to think the worst of them. i tend to feel the same way about your take TrueBlue. It's one thing to have doubts or dislikes, but you guys along with MS take things too far.

You all know this team has the talent to win in this league. So why not allow this team to develop some consistency and chemistry. To develop the youth and let them blossom. We haven't seen the best of our young players yet and I think all of you are gonna be pleasantly surprised when this team is playing well this year. Too many of us are making light of the addition of Zach and subtraction of Francis and Frye. We solved 2 big issues for this team. Frye was ineffective and really killed us late in the year when we really needed him to step up. Francis was all over the place. Up and down, but overall never really able to fit in. He had to wing it too much just to be effective and now he's gone. That and another year together in the same system and with a good deal more experience and confidence. Zach has that killer instinct and you'll see how that makes a difference in the teams attitude overall. Can things go wrong... yeah, but there are far more positives going for this team than negatives now.

Posted by misterearl:

Some people?

VMart - are you calling me out?

Last I checked Herb Williams was part of the Knicks present.

Now, if you wanna talk "past"....

Dont argue with earl guys.
Everything assotiated with Knicks is brilliant regardless...
When Herb will be fired, after Isiah will be fired, Earl will say that "both suck and... Go Knicks!!!", even if they go to hell.