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9/29/2007  3:17 PM
Davis has a lot of problems but still is under rated as a player. I dont wnat him on the Knicks though
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9/29/2007  3:33 PM
Maybe Crawford for Davis would be a fair deal.
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9/29/2007  3:44 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
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No, no and no. The last thing the Knicks need is another headcase. Athletes are also low on the priority list. We need smart, team-first players who bring good character, because we have a shortage of that.

so who are the bad charecter guys? well marbury............................................

Marbury, for sure, is a negative influence. I would also add Zach Randolph -- in trouble with the law at least once a year, punched a teammate. Curry has a history of being lazy, which isn't good either. Isiah is a snake, another guy who I wouldn't say is a good personality. Nate Robinson just doesn't understand the team aspect and has the maturity of a 12 year old. Even Mardy Collins was used to take cheap shots late in games (probably mostly Isiah's doing).

We have a lot of personality issues on the team. One reason, I think you can argue that this team is better than they've performed is because we have no real leadership, no character guys to set the team straight. If you turn to baseball, look at Yankees teams that won championships; they were full of high character guys.
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9/29/2007  4:03 PM
Posted by Solace:
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No, no and no. The last thing the Knicks need is another headcase. Athletes are also low on the priority list. We need smart, team-first players who bring good character, because we have a shortage of that.

so who are the bad charecter guys? well marbury............................................

Marbury, for sure, is a negative influence. I would also add Zach Randolph -- in trouble with the law at least once a year, punched a teammate. Curry has a history of being lazy, which isn't good either. Isiah is a snake, another guy who I wouldn't say is a good personality. Nate Robinson just doesn't understand the team aspect and has the maturity of a 12 year old. Even Mardy Collins was used to take cheap shots late in games (probably mostly Isiah's doing).

We have a lot of personality issues on the team. One reason, I think you can argue that this team is better than they've performed is because we have no real leadership, no character guys to set the team straight. If you turn to baseball, look at Yankees teams that won championships; they were full of high character guys.

You can throw in Jamal too. I think extreme bad character involves legal trouble like Zach has gotten into but a lesser but still important degree of bad character is reflected in your work ethic and decision making on the basketball court.
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9/30/2007  4:57 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You can throw in Jamal too. I think extreme bad character involves legal trouble like Zach has gotten into but a lesser but still important degree of bad character is reflected in your work ethic and decision making on the basketball court.

On principle I sorta agree, but I don't think Jamal is a lazy player. I think he's ultimately just a player who isn't talented enough to reach the goals that we thought he could've. His main problem is that he's a tweener. He's not a good enough passer to play point regularly -- even though on defense he'd have much better success against other point guards. He's not a good enough shooter or defender to be what you'd like at shooting guard either -- when he tries to get others involved, he doesn't get himself involved. And he just can't defend larger 2's.

I wouldn't say those are character issues, just limitations. Personality-wise, I think Jamal is a good kid. We just have to accept him for who he is, though.
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9/30/2007  8:09 AM
Posted by Solace:
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You can throw in Jamal too. I think extreme bad character involves legal trouble like Zach has gotten into but a lesser but still important degree of bad character is reflected in your work ethic and decision making on the basketball court.

On principle I sorta agree, but I don't think Jamal is a lazy player. I think he's ultimately just a player who isn't talented enough to reach the goals that we thought he could've. His main problem is that he's a tweener. He's not a good enough passer to play point regularly -- even though on defense he'd have much better success against other point guards. He's not a good enough shooter or defender to be what you'd like at shooting guard either -- when he tries to get others involved, he doesn't get himself involved. And he just can't defend larger 2's.

I wouldn't say those are character issues, just limitations. Personality-wise, I think Jamal is a good kid. We just have to accept him for who he is, though.

I think the "me-first" shooting he displays when chucking off balance shots is the biggest character issue. He's a tweener because he's too weak and light to play SG. Is he trying to add strength and weight and just unable to or is he not trying? Neither of us knows.
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9/30/2007  8:51 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I think the "me-first" shooting he displays when chucking off balance shots is the biggest character issue. He's a tweener because he's too weak and light to play SG. Is he trying to add strength and weight and just unable to or is he not trying? Neither of us knows.

His chucking has a lot to do with the who is coaching him. It's been encouraged in the current system, even though it's detrimental to him as a player. As for his strength, I have a feeling he's just not able to build more muscle. With his body, he should be playing point... and yet he's unable to do so.

I see your complaints, I just don't think most of them are character issues.
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9/30/2007  10:09 AM
Craw chucks cuz who else is gonna score? last season it was by design that craw take those shots. Craw still has trouble figuring out when he should be taking shots. That's his main knock. Those same shots that make us wanna rip our pubes out are the shots he makes when he's leading a knick comeback.

Anyway, the knicks still need offensive help. Knicks are counting too much on Q being healthy. If Q can't play a significant amount of games at effective strength, the knicks are again going to have to hope craw can catch fire.

I'm aware of the possible problems with ricky davis. He was selfish early on in his career but I think somewhere along his last days in boston he settled down and just played the game.

this is why I wouldn't mind getting him especially from a team that maybe looking to unload him cheaply.

Minnesota just traded trenton hassel to dallas for basically the same player which whoms name I can't remember cuz he sucks. It was a salary dump. This puts up red flags that ricky is avbailable especially since they are one over the roster limit with a arsenal of young guys at the 2/3.
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9/30/2007  10:14 AM
^ Eny, I think we have a lot of guys who are good at putting up points: Curry, Zach, Craw, Marbury, Nate, Q. We're probably among the richest in the league when it comes to having a depth of guys who can score. I don't think we need another scorer -- there's only one ball. As for personality issues, consider this -- Davis has a flaky past. Now he comes to the Knicks and Marbury or Zack takes him "under his wing". Game over.

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9/30/2007  10:24 AM
Craw's been a chucker no matter who coached him and who his teammates were. He had a few good weeks at the end of the season under Larry but was still a chucker for 90% of the season. This strikes me as similar to the idea that Curry just needs the right teammates to become a better passer and not have tons of turnovers with no assists/game. These are constant weaknesses that have limited these players in every situation they've been in every season.

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9/30/2007  11:16 AM
Knicks aren't really rich in offensive talent. We all want craw to stop chucking. Zach will definately tame that a little, bt the knicks still lack the perimeter scoring to match inside.

Knicks need a shooter. Ricky can hit the outside shot. He also is another player or target to get the attention away from keying in on the inside. Its overload bt the knicks weren't a winning team so its a over load on what?

Its just a suggestion. If its just defense the knicks have balkman and jared. The knicks need a scorer. They really need Q to be healthy but he hasn't proven that. If he was healthy I wouldn't have started this thread.
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9/30/2007  5:31 PM
Crazy Ricky?

Oh hell to the no. Ricky Davis is probably one of the most athletic players in the league after VC., however he is crazy as hell. He is the same Ricky Davis that was on the Cavs and went home after halftime because Paul Silas did not give him major minutes in the second quarter. Not only that he once sat with the fans laughing at his team when his team was getting blown out.
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10/1/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Craw chucks cuz who else is gonna score? last season it was by design that craw take those shots. Craw still has trouble figuring out when he should be taking shots. That's his main knock. Those same shots that make us wanna rip our pubes out are the shots he makes when he's leading a knick comeback.

Anyway, the knicks still need offensive help. Knicks are counting too much on Q being healthy. If Q can't play a significant amount of games at effective strength, the knicks are again going to have to hope craw can catch fire.

I'm aware of the possible problems with ricky davis. He was selfish early on in his career but I think somewhere along his last days in boston he settled down and just played the game.

this is why I wouldn't mind getting him especially from a team that maybe looking to unload him cheaply.

Minnesota just traded trenton hassel to dallas for basically the same player which whoms name I can't remember cuz he sucks. It was a salary dump. This puts up red flags that ricky is avbailable especially since they are one over the roster limit with a arsenal of young guys at the 2/3.

i'm with you bro... seems like people around here still view Ricky D as the same immature player they saw in CLE w/all his shenanigans... i watched him play in BOS & he seemed to be a lot more under control, & very much a team player... he continued that in MIN playing alongside KG IMO... i'd have no problem adding him to this roster... i have tons more reservations about the fact that we have a moron like Starbury leading this team.

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10/1/2007  12:17 PM
I'm just totally annoyed that guys don't want ricky cuz the knicks have enough offense. That's crazy all by itself. Yeah the knicks need defense but this isn't football. The same guys that score have to play defense to. Ricky can do both.

Ricky is coachable. Doc rivers is the one that probably got to him. I don't see him buggin out especially if he is apart of a ny turn around.

I can see this guy getting layups, dunks and 3's like crazy just because nobody is gonna leave both itchy and scratchy open.

Also the knicks would be able to switch speeds with a guy like ricky.

Let me just make it clear again that I'm not lobbying for him. I just know this ****ing guy is available cuz of the youth movement in minnesota. He only has a year left on his contract. Its a low risk situation. His presence could make way for another trade at the deadline. Who knows he just might stick. its a hell of an option.
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10/1/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I'm just totally annoyed that guys don't want ricky cuz the knicks have enough offense. That's crazy all by itself. Yeah the knicks need defense but this isn't football. The same guys that score have to play defense to. Ricky can do both.

Ricky is coachable. Doc rivers is the one that probably got to him. I don't see him buggin out especially if he is apart of a ny turn around.

I can see this guy getting layups, dunks and 3's like crazy just because nobody is gonna leave both itchy and scratchy open.

Also the knicks would be able to switch speeds with a guy like ricky.

Let me just make it clear again that I'm not lobbying for him. I just know this ****ing guy is available cuz of the youth movement in minnesota. He only has a year left on his contract. Its a low risk situation. His presence could make way for another trade at the deadline. Who knows he just might stick. its a hell of an option.

If he wasn't a headcase, he'd have a much better case. But he doesn't fill a huge need and has shown poor character in the past.
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