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Nalod
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9/27/2007  9:13 AM

Amazing that there are many outside of the major cities that really don't have much exposure to people of different backgrounds and are only exposed to them thru the media. Thus, if see black people thru tv shows one could get the idea that that really are nothing but stereotypes. Been that way for decades. Most old cartoons many of us grew up on depicted non whites in very heavy sterotype. Think about it for example, if the only show one could watch in Idaho in the 1970's was Starsky and Hutch or most other cop shows in a vacum one would think blacks were either pimps, hookers, snitches or angry police captains. Im being extreme here just to exemplify what we were exposed to. Most of the Mr. Magoo cartoons have been long put away from racist overtones. Especially toward Asian sterotype.

So here O'reily gets out of the ivory tower and actually says the black culture is not all "Gangsta!" after all. It seemed more like an ignorant revelation than a racist comment.

IN a way, while being ignorant he actually reached some pea brains and perhaps softened the stereotype. Sounds crazy, but not everyone lives in a major city and has interaction with people of different culture!

These guys are dangerous because they are entertainers that pea brain people confuse for information and this is where they get their sh!t from. Its sad, but our country for the most part is pretty stupid.
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9/27/2007  9:20 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Amazing that there are many outside of the major cities that really don't have much exposure to people of different backgrounds and are only exposed to them thru the media. Thus, if see black people thru tv shows one could get the idea that that really are nothing but stereotypes. Been that way for decades. Most old cartoons many of us grew up on depicted non whites in very heavy sterotype. Think about it for example, if the only show one could watch in Idaho in the 1970's was Starsky and Hutch or most other cop shows in a vacum one would think blacks were either pimps, hookers, snitches or angry police captains. Im being extreme here just to exemplify what we were exposed to. Most of the Mr. Magoo cartoons have been long put away from racist overtones. Especially toward Asian sterotype.

So here O'reily gets out of the ivory tower and actually says the black culture is not all "Gangsta!" after all. It seemed more like an ignorant revelation than a racist comment.

IN a way, while being ignorant he actually reached some pea brains and perhaps softened the stereotype. Sounds crazy, but not everyone lives in a major city and has interaction with people of different culture!

These guys are dangerous because they are entertainers that pea brain people confuse for information and this is where they get their sh!t from. Its sad, but our country for the most part is pretty stupid.

Good post.

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9/27/2007  10:24 AM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Solace:

What concerns me more is a post like this, because based on past evidence from this board, if the situation was reversed (black broadcaster, "white" restaurant), I think some people on the board would be defending the comments, which is ultimately disappointing to me.

You are concerned and disappointed by a made up scenario consisting of imagined posters participating in reverse racism anticipated only by yourself, taking place in your own head?

I think then you should talk to yourself less.
Wow, I'm agreeing with Rembee and disagreeing with Solace. I thought this incident was worthy of a thread and have no idea how people would have responded if a negative comment were made about Whites. However, blacks have been treated terribly for centuries and to a smaller extent still are victims of racism. It shouldn't be surprising that our country is now extremely sensitive to any anti-black racism.

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9/27/2007  10:24 AM
I used to like Oreilly, not for his politics but that he does look out for the younger generation, the kids and he is concerned with the youth of today, that is imoportant, other than that issue, he tends to rub some sore spots..
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9/27/2007  10:30 AM
Posted by tkf:

I used to like Oreilly, not for his politics but that he does look out for the younger generation, the kids and he is concerned with the youth of today, that is imoportant, other than that issue, he tends to rub some sore spots..

IMO Oreilly was exposing and projecting, not necessarily being racist per say. I don't like how he uses his platform when he has axes to grind.
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9/27/2007  10:30 AM
The Huxtables are a myth

Bill O'Reilly made the comments of someone who rarely ventures outside his homogenized, insulated world

He would probably have a major heart attack if he visited the palatial estates of Southwest Atlanta just on a drive-by. If he ever paused long enough to listen to people instead of talking FOR them he might learn something.
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9/27/2007  11:22 AM
This has been the least hostile OT thread all offseason.
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9/27/2007  11:27 AM
I read these articles are very misleading from what the guy said on the actual tape so I cant say if his comments in context (not some writers version) were racist. I dont think a racist typically goes out to dinner with Al Sharpton in Harlem a few times a year. I saw Oreily speaking about how much he loved Sylvias and that she was a great role model. Has Sharpton said he was racist?
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9/27/2007  11:30 AM
Posted by misterearl:

The Huxtables are a myth

Bill O'Reilly made the comments of someone who rarely ventures outside his homogenized, insulated world

He would probably have a major heart attack if he visited the palatial estates of Southwest Atlanta just on a drive-by. If he ever paused long enough to listen to people instead of talking FOR them he might learn something.

yea, my wifes aunt lives in SW atlanta in cascade. their neighbors are college professors, doctors, accountants and lawyers as well as business owners, Oreilly would be suprised. Sad enough a lot of the white people in Georgia who don't travel to SW atlanta are often suprised when they do travel to that side of town also..
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9/27/2007  12:05 PM
I'm troubled by the way some people see the "hip hop culture" on MTV. Its not only a perception because than some young teens sometimes start emulating that perception to make it a reality.
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9/27/2007  12:08 PM
There are well heeled blacks living near most metropolitan areas. I don't know where O'Reilly broadcasts from but I can't imagine he'd not be exposed to everyday middle and upper class blacks wherever it may be, if he'd ever chosen to.

I don't think he was trying to be racist in his comments, he was speaking to the ignorance of himself and others, but the delivery of the message was a backhanded compliment at best.
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9/27/2007  12:59 PM
What would O'Reilly think of our Knick management crew?
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9/27/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by Nalod:

What would O'Reilly think of our Knick management crew?

he'd be busy trying to get them to sit on a washing machine and vibrate like he did his own staff.
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9/27/2007  3:03 PM
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Posted by BlueSeats:

"There are well heeled blacks living near most metropolitan areas. I don't know where O'Reilly broadcasts from but I can't imagine he'd not be exposed to everyday middle and upper class blacks wherever it may be, if he'd ever chosen to."

I don't know how "well-heeled" the Black folks are who live near most metropolitan areas but I will say this - they sho' nuf eat a lot of fried chicken!

Bill O'Reilly is a perfect example of ingrained bias that is so rooted so deep in his psyche, that he doesn't know, or care to know, the differences in cultures.

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[Edited by - misterearl on 09-27-2007 3:03 PM]
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9/27/2007  3:49 PM

misterearl, I see why you never use the quoting feature. I can't tell if you're calling me out or not. I'm assuming not, but who knows.

Here's how I quote. Press the quote reply button of the post you are responding to and scroll down to the bottom of the post in the reply window and start typing AFTER the [/quote] symbol.

[Edited by - blueseats on 09-27-2007 3:50 PM]
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9/27/2007  3:49 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Solace - if it were a black guy saying something about white people? Come on man. You come off just like a guy like o'reilly. If its racist its rasist. Funny thing is you will never see a minority on cnn or fox news being openly ignorant and racist. Stephan a. Smith is the only guy I can think of that totally blast political topics in the manner of a o'reilly. Think is stephan a. Smith though is obnoxious, he still manages to be genuine and fair with plenty of common sense. Please don't bring comedians in this. There are comedians of all race that use steriotypes in their acts, but when they are interviewed they can explain where they are comming from much clearer. Besides they aren't on a political forum such as o'reilly and that idiot imus. Anyway, Why do you always have to repel things back on another race. O'reilly made the comments. Why repel it back onto innocent people with the word if? The fact is if didn't happen. If it did then that woulld mark a huge discussion.

Why do you make it sound like I'm defending O'Reilly? I clearly denounced his actions.

I also wasn't commenting about the media, although I will say, while Steven A. is blatant, he's not the only one who crosses the line in the media, IMHO. As for what I said, I'm simply saying that to complain about something like this, you are (or should be saying) that it's unfair, because everyone should be seen equally. Yet, there's all this junk on this forum about how white guys can't possibly understand anything about being black and shouldn't talk, and blacks should have their own rules. That doesn't sound like equality to me. On this forum, people in their fantasy worlds have determined at various points, that it's okay to curse out a black woman if you're black, murdering dogs is okay, prostitution should be legal, Katrina happened because New Orleans had a high black population and they were poor, etc.... I'm all fine for having rational discussions, but a few on this board are on another planet. This post was a clear bait attempt to see if anyone would defend O'Reilly, so it can be thrown in their faces. Unfortunately, the poster discovered that not everyone is a hypocrite.

So, you ask why I bring it up? Probably my own stupidity, since I'm the only one with the balls to say something, even though other posters have told me they feel the same way.
Posted by Bonn:
It shouldn't be surprising that our country is now extremely sensitive to any anti-black racism.

Understandable, but that has nothing to do with my comment. Sensitivity is one thing. Having different rules whenever it suits you is another.

[Edited by - Solace on Sep 27 2007 3:50 PM]
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9/27/2007  3:53 PM

Posted by BlueSeats:


misterearl, I see why you never use the quoting feature. I can't tell if you're calling me out or not. I'm assuming not, but who knows.

Here's how I quote. Press the quote reply button of the post you are responding to and scroll down to the bottom of the post in the reply window and start typing AFTER the symbol.

[Edited by - blueseats on 09-27-2007 3:50 PM]

The quote button is that little button above every post that looks like this:

The quote button is your friend.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-27-2007 15:54]
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9/27/2007  4:04 PM
BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?
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9/27/2007  4:16 PM
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?

Do you have a daughter that you would want to be employed at MSG?
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - I don't think calling anybody out has ever been my intent

but thanks for the quote button tips, I used it but it conflicted with my snappy headline

Does Bill O'Reilly have a daughter that a brotha can date?

Do you have a daughter that you would want to be employed at MSG?

Sure 10 million for a innocent hug and to be called a bitch (charge denied by Isiah). I think 99% of the daughters in the world will make that trade.
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