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Ira
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9/14/2007  8:52 PM
I think Oden's rebounding and defense are pretty predictable and will both be very good. His offense is a big question, as is his health.
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9/14/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is at best a PROSPECT too, except he's entering year 7
Fair enough, but I feel like I know what he can do and he's proven to be very effective as a scorer in the post. Now I just want to see him continue to add on to his skills. His actual time in the league isn't the issue. It's about what he's capable of doing and how much of his promise he'll fulfill. Call me when Oden actually avg's 20/7 or more a game. Since he's yet to play a game we don't know what he'll actually do against NBA players and defenses over 82 games. When he's commanding double and triple teams in addition to the blocks, asts and rebs, then I would say he's a bonifide stud.

Meanwhile i'm pulling for Curry, WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR MY TEAM, to have a strong year and make the All Star team. I would hope that you want the same for him.

Why are you listing the 7 rbs like it's a plus? It's one of the worst rebounding rates for 35 min of all centers. We're all pulling for Curry that's a non-issue not even worth discussing.
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9/14/2007  10:10 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is at best a PROSPECT too, except he's entering year 7
Fair enough, but I feel like I know what he can do and he's proven to be very effective as a scorer in the post. Now I just want to see him continue to add on to his skills. His actual time in the league isn't the issue. It's about what he's capable of doing and how much of his promise he'll fulfill. Call me when Oden actually avg's 20/7 or more a game. Since he's yet to play a game we don't know what he'll actually do against NBA players and defenses over 82 games. When he's commanding double and triple teams in addition to the blocks, asts and rebs, then I would say he's a bonifide stud.

Meanwhile i'm pulling for Curry, WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR MY TEAM, to have a strong year and make the All Star team. I would hope that you want the same for him.

Why are you listing the 7 rbs like it's a plus? It's one of the worst rebounding rates for 35 min of all centers. We're all pulling for Curry that's a non-issue not even worth discussing.
You think I somehow don't know this after following and playing the game for over 30 years? I was merely stating what Curry has done so far and Oden hasn't yet done anything, so when he reaches the level that Curry is currently at or exceeds it, then we can start the clock on his career. Right now it's all conjecture. You don't know what he's gonna do for sure.

I sure hope that "we're all pulling for Curry". I don't really get that sense from the constant refrain to trade him and the constant downplaying of his significance to the team. I'm just saying...
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9/14/2007  10:14 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is at best a PROSPECT too, except he's entering year 7
Fair enough, but I feel like I know what he can do and he's proven to be very effective as a scorer in the post. Now I just want to see him continue to add on to his skills. His actual time in the league isn't the issue. It's about what he's capable of doing and how much of his promise he'll fulfill. Call me when Oden actually avg's 20/7 or more a game. Since he's yet to play a game we don't know what he'll actually do against NBA players and defenses over 82 games. When he's commanding double and triple teams in addition to the blocks, asts and rebs, then I would say he's a bonifide stud.

Meanwhile i'm pulling for Curry, WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR MY TEAM, to have a strong year and make the All Star team. I would hope that you want the same for him.

Why are you listing the 7 rbs like it's a plus? It's one of the worst rebounding rates for 35 min of all centers. We're all pulling for Curry that's a non-issue not even worth discussing.
You think I somehow don't know this after following and playing the game for over 30 years? I was merely stating what Curry has done so far and Oden hasn't yet done anything, so when he reaches the level that Curry is currently at or exceeds it, then we can start the clock on his career. Right now it's all conjecture. You don't know what he's gonna do for sure.

I sure hope that "we're all pulling for Curry". I don't really get that sense from the constant refrain to trade him and the constant downplaying of his significance to the team. I'm just saying...

So you're admitting Curry's rebounding is awful put the rebounding is 50% of the stats you list that you want me to "call you" when matched by Oden? Do you want me to call you when Oden is capable of pulling off a 1 to 10 assist to turnover ratio too?
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9/14/2007  10:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is at best a PROSPECT too, except he's entering year 7
Fair enough, but I feel like I know what he can do and he's proven to be very effective as a scorer in the post. Now I just want to see him continue to add on to his skills. His actual time in the league isn't the issue. It's about what he's capable of doing and how much of his promise he'll fulfill. Call me when Oden actually avg's 20/7 or more a game. Since he's yet to play a game we don't know what he'll actually do against NBA players and defenses over 82 games. When he's commanding double and triple teams in addition to the blocks, asts and rebs, then I would say he's a bonifide stud.

Meanwhile i'm pulling for Curry, WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS FOR MY TEAM, to have a strong year and make the All Star team. I would hope that you want the same for him.

Why are you listing the 7 rbs like it's a plus? It's one of the worst rebounding rates for 35 min of all centers. We're all pulling for Curry that's a non-issue not even worth discussing.
You think I somehow don't know this after following and playing the game for over 30 years? I was merely stating what Curry has done so far and Oden hasn't yet done anything, so when he reaches the level that Curry is currently at or exceeds it, then we can start the clock on his career. Right now it's all conjecture. You don't know what he's gonna do for sure.

I sure hope that "we're all pulling for Curry". I don't really get that sense from the constant refrain to trade him and the constant downplaying of his significance to the team. I'm just saying...

So you're admitting Curry's rebounding is awful put the rebounding is 50% of the stats you list that you want me to "call you" when matched by Oden? Do you want me to call you when Oden is capable of pulling off a 1 to 10 assist to turnover ratio too?
No but when he's consistently doubled, which not even Dwight Howard is doing yet, then call me. Cuz you seem to think that Curry's impact is less significant cuz he's a weak rebounder, but you can't ignore just how dominant he is in the paint. When Oden can effect a game in that way then let me know. People just don't want to give Curry any credit for what he does well. He's in rare company in terms of his abilities in the paint. There simply aren't a lot of guys that can do what he does. He may not do a lot of anything else, but he's dominant in his one area of strength and it effects how teams will have to play us. Especially as we continue to develop the rest of the team around him. That said, he's aware and the team is aware of his need to do more. So like you may hope for Oden to develop his offensive game, I hope for Curry to develop the other things he hasn't been doing well.
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9/15/2007  6:54 AM
Oden will never be able to do what Curry does and Curry will never be able to do what Oden does. All in all, if healthy, I'd rather have Oden. I voted for Curry, not because Oden will miss a year, but because I'm beginning to think Oden could have an injury-plagued career.
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9/15/2007  7:30 AM
Slightly different question: Who would compliment Zach better: Curry or Oden? Even if you have full faith in Curry, I'd love to hear your argument that he would compliment Zach better than Oden would.
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9/15/2007  1:47 PM
All in all, I'd say Oden. Oden's d would be big. On the offensive end, both players play inside - neither has established a jump shot of is likely to do so. Zach can play outside, so that works. But the fact that Curry draws double teams would be a plus.
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9/15/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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And here is the crazy thing Killa, most of the people that called Eddy out for being injury prone completely disregard Oden's history. From Adande's article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=OdenSurgery
Oden missed the start of his lone college season at Ohio State because of surgery on his right wrist, which was slow to heal. Before the draft, he was diagnosed with bulging disc in his back. He was sidelined this summer because of tonsillitis, and he also complained of fatigue after making the press conference-talk show-promotional appearance-ESPY rounds in the weeks after the NBA draft.

If his body can't hold up while he's a 19-year-old, what's going to happen in the long run?
Will these be chronic problems? Given Oden's blog report that he first noticed the pain while getting up off a couch this summer, you have to wonder: if it hurts to do that, how much damage will a night of banging against Yao Ming inflict?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-14-2007 09:18 AM]

Good call. No way do I trade Curry for Oden. There is no telling how he will recover from this injury. Not to mention his histroy of being knicked up.....


And yet through all his nick nack injuries he proved to be the best 2 way player in college basketball. I think people need to stop blowing microfracture surgery out of proportion. Jason Kidd just recently came off of the surgery and looked like the a Top 3 point guard in the NBA last yr.


yea, but kidd already had 10+ years of NBA experience and solid NBA skills, amare developed great NBA skills, zach also. The jury is still out on Oden who really had very little offensive college skills, nevertheless NBA skills and he also was foul prone in college, so it is not that simple for oden when you compare him to hall of fame talent like kidd who had that same surgery..
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9/15/2007  6:00 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Silverfuel:

And here is the crazy thing Killa, most of the people that called Eddy out for being injury prone completely disregard Oden's history. From Adande's article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=OdenSurgery
Oden missed the start of his lone college season at Ohio State because of surgery on his right wrist, which was slow to heal. Before the draft, he was diagnosed with bulging disc in his back. He was sidelined this summer because of tonsillitis, and he also complained of fatigue after making the press conference-talk show-promotional appearance-ESPY rounds in the weeks after the NBA draft.

If his body can't hold up while he's a 19-year-old, what's going to happen in the long run?
Will these be chronic problems? Given Oden's blog report that he first noticed the pain while getting up off a couch this summer, you have to wonder: if it hurts to do that, how much damage will a night of banging against Yao Ming inflict?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-14-2007 09:18 AM]

Good call. No way do I trade Curry for Oden. There is no telling how he will recover from this injury. Not to mention his histroy of being knicked up.....


And yet through all his nick nack injuries he proved to be the best 2 way player in college basketball. I think people need to stop blowing microfracture surgery out of proportion. Jason Kidd just recently came off of the surgery and looked like the a Top 3 point guard in the NBA last yr.


yea, but kidd already had 10+ years of NBA experience and solid NBA skills, amare developed great NBA skills, zach also. The jury is still out on Oden who really had very little offensive college skills, nevertheless NBA skills and he also was foul prone in college, so it is not that simple for oden when you compare him to hall of fame talent like kidd who had that same surgery..
Actually, I would think all else equal, a guy in his late teens would have a much better recovery than a guy in his early 30s
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9/15/2007  7:42 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Silverfuel:

And here is the crazy thing Killa, most of the people that called Eddy out for being injury prone completely disregard Oden's history. From Adande's article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=OdenSurgery
Oden missed the start of his lone college season at Ohio State because of surgery on his right wrist, which was slow to heal. Before the draft, he was diagnosed with bulging disc in his back. He was sidelined this summer because of tonsillitis, and he also complained of fatigue after making the press conference-talk show-promotional appearance-ESPY rounds in the weeks after the NBA draft.

If his body can't hold up while he's a 19-year-old, what's going to happen in the long run?
Will these be chronic problems? Given Oden's blog report that he first noticed the pain while getting up off a couch this summer, you have to wonder: if it hurts to do that, how much damage will a night of banging against Yao Ming inflict?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-14-2007 09:18 AM]

Good call. No way do I trade Curry for Oden. There is no telling how he will recover from this injury. Not to mention his histroy of being knicked up.....


And yet through all his nick nack injuries he proved to be the best 2 way player in college basketball. I think people need to stop blowing microfracture surgery out of proportion. Jason Kidd just recently came off of the surgery and looked like the a Top 3 point guard in the NBA last yr.


yea, but kidd already had 10+ years of NBA experience and solid NBA skills, amare developed great NBA skills, zach also. The jury is still out on Oden who really had very little offensive college skills, nevertheless NBA skills and he also was foul prone in college, so it is not that simple for oden when you compare him to hall of fame talent like kidd who had that same surgery..
Actually, I would think all else equal, a guy in his late teens would have a much better recovery than a guy in his early 30s


Exactly what would be harder maintaining your HOF talent after a major injury or improving your ground zero NBA skills after a major injury?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-15-2007 6:56 PM]
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9/15/2007  9:23 PM
What bothers me is not that Oden is going to miss a year or that he's having microfracture surgery. It's that he's had two serious injuries in two years. Maybe it's just a coincidence. Maybe Oden is injury prone.
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9/15/2007  10:28 PM
Now one more question: Would Portland do this trade? I highly doubt it. I bet they still see him as virtually untradeable.
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9/16/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by Ira:

All in all, I'd say Oden. Oden's d would be big. On the offensive end, both players play inside - neither has established a jump shot of is likely to do so. Zach can play outside, so that works. But the fact that Curry draws double teams would be a plus.

Curry drawing a double team is only a plus if he learns how to pass. I defer to the aforementioned assist to turnover ratio.
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9/16/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Now one more question: Would Portland do this trade? I highly doubt it. I bet they still see him as virtually untradeable.

Clearly they wouldn't. One extra year for the team to develop does not hurt them as they were likely to be lottery bound anyway. Their team is built for 4 years from now. Then, the league better watch out.

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 09-16-2007 12:26 PM]
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9/16/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Now one more question: Would Portland do this trade? I highly doubt it. I bet they still see him as virtually untradeable.

Clearly they wouldn't. One extra year for the team to develop does not hurt them as they were likely to be lottery bound anyway. Their team is built for 4 years from now. Then, the league better watch out.

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 09-16-2007 12:26 PM]

That's assuming Oden will come back and be great.
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9/16/2007  1:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Now one more question: Would Portland do this trade? I highly doubt it. I bet they still see him as virtually untradeable.

Clearly they wouldn't. One extra year for the team to develop does not hurt them as they were likely to be lottery bound anyway. Their team is built for 4 years from now. Then, the league better watch out.

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 09-16-2007 12:26 PM]

That's assuming Oden will come back and be great.

With a healthy Oden they have an unbeleivable young core group of players. Even without Oden, they have solid young prospects at 4 out of 5 spots and Frye could be manageable at the 5. Plus they have several years to develop together and add the veterans they need to make a push. I think they are in a great spot. And, if the Zeke blessing (that is, any team that trades with Zeke seems to find a way to take their game to the next level) is in order, they may make the playoffs not this year, but next.

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