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Masterplan
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9/11/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by misterearl:

Andrew - $300K may not be a serious offer in Anucha's eyes. I would offer that amount is probably around 2 years base salary. Now, I'm no attorney, nor do I play one on tee vee, buut if MSG felt strongly that her claim was jive, they could simply line up the legal team and head to The People's Court. Let the best suit win.

What do they have to lose?

Thank about it. What could be better than some free press coverage in September when Knicks basketball is annually forced off the sports radar by the Yankees, Mets, Giants and Jets?

Yeah, if there is one thing Dolan has been known to love it is uncensored press about the Knicks. "There's no such thing as bad press;" that has long been his attitude.

[Edited by - mythfaze on 09-11-2007 11:20 AM]

was this sarcastic? i thought dolan HATES "uncensored" publicity that he has no control over. the word "paranoia" gets tossed around... check back on some recent threads about the Garden's draconian PR policies...

[Edited by - Masterplan on 09-11-2007 12:20 PM]
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9/11/2007  12:38 PM
To the rest of basketball America and the NBA, the Knicks are irrelevant.

Well not entirely irrelevant. They're a laughingstock. Congrats on upholding their reputation.
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9/11/2007  12:59 PM
I sometimes forget you guys in NY live in a bubble and think the world revolves around NY. You see something posted in the NY post or The times and you automatically say "the media" as if everyone else is covering it the same way. In other parts of the country, noone cares about the Knicks or Marbs or Eddie or Jamal or Zach. They don't "hate on them", they don't fear them. They don't laugh at them. They don't make fun of them.They don't do anything. They simply forget about them.

This trial is only news in NY. In other parts of the country at the moment noone cares. It will change when they start winning.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-09-2007 1:01 PM]
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9/11/2007  1:29 PM
Friday, September 8th, The Mountain Winery, Saratoga, CA.
Saturday, September 9th, Concert in the Park at Viejas Casino, Alpine, CA.

what are those dates? tour dates for jd and the straight shots. up to 2 days before jury selection.

you think jim dolan cares about any of this? he pays people to care. meanwhile he's living his dream life.
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9/11/2007  1:47 PM
bippity - curious take.

I would submit that markets with significant numbers of former New Yorkers, such as Washington DC, Atlanta and Miami lend significant amount of media coverage to New York franchises in relation to other cities.

The world may not revolve around the Big Apple but folks DEFINATELY lay down the chedda when New York franchises visit... and that includes our .. (drum roll please)... New York Knicks.

The PTI guys have Knicks-related topics on every other day for 2/3 of the year and if Chad Ford didn't cover the Knicks like a leech he would run out of material in 30 minutes.

They care.

They can't help themselves.

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9/11/2007  1:56 PM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - curious take.

I would submit that markets with significant numbers of former New Yorkers, such as Washington DC, Atlanta and Miami lend significant amount of media coverage to New York franchises in relation to other cities.

The world may not revolve around the Big Apple but folks DEFINATELY lay down the chedda when New York franchises visit... and that includes our .. (drum roll please)... New York Knicks.

The PTI guys have Knicks-related topics on every other day for 2/3 of the year and if Chad Ford didn't cover the Knicks like a leech he would run out of material in 30 minutes.

They care.

They can't help themselves.

msg's media policy is for their own employees. they don't want their own people saying things about the company or criticizing their own. but when it comes to actual press (be it good or bad) - i don't think dolan really cares.

like earl is saying, they are in the press and i think that's all that matters.

this trial probably won't dictate what happens to isiah's future as a knick's exec. and zach is a clear indicator - bringing in a questionable character for that much money the summer before a sexual harrassment trial tells me (at least) that this trial is making zero impact on jimmy d.
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9/11/2007  1:59 PM
dj - Jimmy D knows how to party

you have tickets for the Wine Tour?
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9/11/2007  3:08 PM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - curious take.

I would submit that markets with significant numbers of former New Yorkers, such as Washington DC, Atlanta and Miami lend significant amount of media coverage to New York franchises in relation to other cities.

The world may not revolve around the Big Apple but folks DEFINATELY lay down the chedda when New York franchises visit... and that includes our .. (drum roll please)... New York Knicks.

The PTI guys have Knicks-related topics on every other day for 2/3 of the year and if Chad Ford didn't cover the Knicks like a leech he would run out of material in 30 minutes.

They care.

They can't help themselves.

People want NY to be relevant but sorry at this point they aren't. I live in the city of a Knick "rival" and every now and then you get a blurb in the Notes section about what is happening in NY but not what you call "coverage". If you mention Jamal Crawford or Mardy Collins or Stephon Marbury to someone in the Midwest, they just don't care. We want them to care. We imagine they care, but they don't. We search for the articles because we are Knick fans. And because we search for the articles we find the articles. And because we find the articles we assume that everyone is talking about them.

It's like yesterday when you said the world was busy talking about Stephon and yet noone was mentioning Ankiel. Yet when you go to the Midwestern blogs/forums they seem to be talking about Ankiel and not about Stephon. You live in a bubble but just won't admit it.
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9/11/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by mythfaze:
Posted by misterearl:

Andrew - $300K may not be a serious offer in Anucha's eyes. I would offer that amount is probably around 2 years base salary. Now, I'm no attorney, nor do I play one on tee vee, buut if MSG felt strongly that her claim was jive, they could simply line up the legal team and head to The People's Court. Let the best suit win.

What do they have to lose?

Thank about it. What could be better than some free press coverage in September when Knicks basketball is annually forced off the sports radar by the Yankees, Mets, Giants and Jets?

Yeah, if there is one thing Dolan has been known to love it is uncensored press about the Knicks. "There's no such thing as bad press;" that has long been his attitude.

[Edited by - mythfaze on 09-11-2007 11:20 AM]

was this sarcastic? i thought dolan HATES "uncensored" publicity that he has no control over. the word "paranoia" gets tossed around... check back on some recent threads about the Garden's draconian PR policies...

[Edited by - Masterplan on 09-11-2007 12:20 PM]

Yup, very.
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9/11/2007  3:38 PM
Posted by misterearl:

mythfaze - with Roger Federer just having stomped through The US Open, A -Rod making people forget why they booed him, Pedro and David Wright headed to the playoffs, and Chad and Eli on health watch - Dolan is quietly thankful for the free September pub.

There is nothing worse than being irrelevant

The Knicks have a reputation to uphold as one of the best soap operas in sports

Not even close.

Dolan isn't happy with this soap opera reputation. If he was, there would have been no rage at LB when he and Marbury had their little showdown. If he wanted a soap opera so that his team would remain "relevant" he'd let everyone speak freely. Practices would be open to the public.

Irrelevant? This trial makes them relevant? Not by a long shot. It is an embarrassment, something Dolan tries by leaps and bounds to avoid. As Bippity points out, nobody outside of NY could care less about this.

I really don't see how it is reasonable to assume Dolan is thankful for another black eye when he so carefully tries to spin everything Knicks and MSG. By letting this go to trial he is letting one of his ex employees speak without the PR rep by her side, monitoring her every word and scaring her into boring and politically correct responses.

[Edited by - mythfaze on 09-11-2007 3:40 PM]
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9/11/2007  3:42 PM
yeah I said it

[Edited by - misterearl on 09-11-2007 3:45 PM]
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9/11/2007  3:48 PM
bippity - I never said the world was busy talking about Marbury.

The intentionally-random Ankiel reference was thrown in to illustrate a potential double-standard of treatment. Ankiel is the feel-good story of the year in baseball. Yes?

His manager. Tony LaRussa is arrested on DWI in Spring Training and the Cardinals lose a player's life to a DWI. A life. But LaRussa is a genius so it's all good.

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Marbury hasn't harmed anyone. At worst he split some verbs, stuck his chest out too far and provided some fodder for beat writers in the off-season. He cried in public over some faceless throwaway people who drowned in an American city. None of those are crimes.

Hell, if poor grammar was a crime then arkrud should be in San Quentin State Pen.

At best, Marbury gave a few kids (perhaps thousands) who had little sense self-esteem - hope - because a pro ballplayer cared enough to give generously to their families or public schools.

The fact that his philanthropy story is not newsworthy in the midwest is of no surprise. Thuggery makes for juicier headlines and stereotypes

The instant Isiah is found guilty it will be national news. You can take that to the bank.

[Edited by - misterearl on 09-11-2007 3:50 PM]
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9/11/2007  4:00 PM
At best, Marbury gave a few kids (perhaps thousands) who had little sense self-esteem - hope - because a pro ballplayer cared enough to give generously to their families or public schools.

Bope. lmao. For a shoe that will last 2 months? He probably didn't even make the product up for that matter. He's good for being in the business though, b/c he's making a lot of money while looking "Generous" at the same time. It's actually brilliant, b/c people will still eventually spend the same amount of money, or more, as regular products, b/c everything they sell is so cheap, that people will just buy a lot, and as soon as it all wears out, in a month or 2, they'll come back for more, only to have it worn out again, and people will be dumb enough to keep coming back.
The instant Isiah is found guilty it will be national news. You can take that to the bank.

I sure hope so. The more dirty laundry that's aired, the better.
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9/11/2007  4:02 PM
MisterEarl you are out of touch my man. The only thing people know about Marbs in most of the country is that he is the basketball player that sells cheap shoes. They know very little about his summer and the comments he has made. That is NY fodder that you think has seeped to the rest of the world. I am a Seattle Mariner/Seahawk fan you would not believe all the stories that "my media" talks about daily that you have no clue about. Not sure why this is such a tough concept.

If Isiah is found guilty you bet it will be in the news. But does this somehow mean the Knicks are "relevant" to the rest of the country? Are the Atlanta Falcons relevant because Vick killed some dogs?

Here is the NY mindset. NY athlete does something. 10 random sports commentators pick up on it. The NY media pounds it for 10 straight days and NY fans think the rest of the world is doing the same. Meanwhile the rest of the world has no idea what we are talkinga bout.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-09-2007 4:05 PM]
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9/11/2007  4:07 PM
Allanfan - it had absolutely NOTHING to do with handouts of shoes. Marbury pledged $4million cash to NYC firefighters and school teachers.

If you can cite similar pledges from individuals on this historic day I would welcome your response.
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9/11/2007  4:11 PM
and Yes, Marbs should get credit for that donation. No doubt. He gets my credit. But what I am getting, overall, is that he's trying to TAKE credit for the donations, when I believe donations shouldn't be about that.

You give and FORGET. Not tell the world that you're a good spiritual guy b/c you gave. When he says that stuff, it makes me believe that he's doing the generosity gig, to continue to make himself look good.
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9/11/2007  4:12 PM
Bippity - you are correct.

What happens in New York stays in New York
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9/11/2007  4:23 PM
Marbury "taking" credit?

What is supposed to do, tell beat reporters to get lost and tell the camera people to take a hike?

Okay, so he showed up on Oprah with SJParker's line of cheap clothing for women.

Big deal.
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9/11/2007  4:29 PM
Then again, he did that crazy interview show with Arenas and YouTube ate it up.

Marbury must be stopped before he does more damage.

It's all Isiah's fault

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Well, isn't he the one calling for the beat reporters?

It's not a big deal to me btw. I just care he comes to camp ready to play, which I have a slight feeling he wont, b/c he did the same stuff last year, and didn't come to camp in shape, and had a terrible start to the season, which killed the team.

However, I refuse to stand by his side and call him some great guy, when I don't even know him, even if he is begging for credit. I don't think highly of people when they give things and say "What, I don't get a thank you?" so why should it be the same with Marbury? Because he's on the Knicks? Come on.
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