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Is Andrew Bynum possibly available. Which of the Knicks big men would you trade to get him.
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9/10/2007  11:09 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
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I guess potential is never a good thing unless its a player that isnt on our team.
Agreed. Every big man in the league has a ton of potential. If we are going to trade Eddy, I would like to get a legit star in return.

Right, and the only thing Curry is better at, than Bynum is low post scoring and Bynum is improving at that too.

But he is MUCH better at lowpost scoring than Bynum. We underestimate Curry because he was playing with guards that could not get him the ball and he faced double and triple teams all year long. You put this guy on a team with a pg and another star player and he will score 22 points a game on 60% shooting easy. There are not many bigman in this league that can do that, and Bynum is a long way away from getting to that level on offense.
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9/10/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by Ira:

We recently saw an article that quoted Phil Jackson as saying something to the effect that Bynum isn\'t ready to play at a high enough level to help Kobe and the Lakers become a contender. If the Lakers don\'t want to trade Kobe, maybe their solution is to trade Bynum for a more productive vet. Would you trade any of the Knicks big men to get him?

Personally, I like Bynum\'s upside and feel we can wait a couple of years for him to develop. I\'d consider trading any of the Knicks bigs depending on the package.


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9/10/2007  9:52 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I guess potential is never a good thing unless its a player that isnt on our team.
Agreed. Every big man in the league has a ton of potential. If we are going to trade Eddy, I would like to get a legit star in return.

Right, and the only thing Curry is better at, than Bynum is low post scoring and Bynum is improving at that too.

Well I guess you could say it like that or you could say it like this.

Regular Season Ranks
	

    * Ranks #23 in the NBA in Points Per Game(19.5)
    * Ranks #29 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(7.0)
    * Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.576)
    * Ranks #16 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(585.0)
    * Ranks #15 in the NBA in Free Throws(405.0)
    * Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(659.0)
    * Ranks #19 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.4)
    * Ranks #16 in the NBA in Points(1576.0)

When Curry plays solidly, not even incredibly, just solidly, as he did last year, he is a dominant force. The things that he does well, are things he does better than most players in the league in general, and at his position in particular. Comparing these 2 guys is like comparing Greg Oden to Shaquille O'Neal. Its not even that close because Bynum is no Greg Oden. There is no comparison, there is no way to tell if Bynum well ever approach the dominance that Curry has on the offensive end.

The things that Bynum does better than Curry now are not things he is dominant at or even very good at. He has time, and he may become a special player one day, but we are still very far from being able to say that with any degree of confidence. Like him or not, Curry is already a very special player.
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9/10/2007  10:23 PM
* Ranks #23 in the NBA in Points Per Game(19.5)
* Ranks #29 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(7.0)
* Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.576)
* Ranks #16 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(585.0)
* Ranks #15 in the NBA in Free Throws(405.0)
* Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(659.0)
* Ranks #19 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.4)
* Ranks #16 in the NBA in Points(1576.0)
All that and he doesn't even help his team win games. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he ranks around 400th in most other categories.
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9/10/2007  10:58 PM
It's true. Curry has been to this point, and may continue to be, very one dimensional. But in that one dimension, he's extremely good - much like Allan Houston was. He scores with extreme efficiency and draws double teams to give other players open shots. Is he an asset to a team? I tend to think that the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes. He's not as great as his biggest boosters and not as bad as his biggest detractors.
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9/10/2007  11:02 PM
Posted by Ira:

It's true. Curry has been to this point, and may continue to be, very one dimensional. But in that one dimension, he's extremely good - much like Allan Houston was. He scores with extreme efficiency and draws double teams to give other players open shots. Is he an asset to a team? I tend to think that the truth is somewhere in between the two extremes. He's not as great as his biggest boosters and not as bad as his biggest detractors.
That's a reasonable analysis. BUT we gave up four draft picks--two in the top ten--and two expiring contracts just to get someone with that description?!?! You mentioned Allan Houston...would you give up all that to get Allan Houston (when he was younger obviously)? I wouldn't even compare the two players until Curry can help teams win games like Allan did, but I'm just going along with the discussion.
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9/11/2007  6:04 AM
Two lottery picks (2 and 9) and two seconds and Mike Sweetney. A significant factor is that the first of those picks was in a weak draft. That was a part of Isaiah's calculation (he said so at the time). No franchise players there. So adding all this up, would I give up that for an Allan Houston/Eddy Curry type one dimensional player? The answer is probably not - but it's close. I like Curry better than LaMarcus Aldrige/Tim Thomas and Y Noah. But, will he be more valuable than the two of them? It's a tough call. Let's wait and see.
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9/11/2007  7:41 AM
Posted by Ira:

Two lottery picks (2 and 9) and two seconds and Mike Sweetney. A significant factor is that the first of those picks was in a weak draft. That was a part of Isaiah's calculation (he said so at the time). No franchise players there. So adding all this up, would I give up that for an Allan Houston/Eddy Curry type one dimensional player? The answer is probably not - but it's close. I like Curry better than LaMarcus Aldrige/Tim Thomas and Y Noah. But, will he be more valuable than the two of them? It's a tough call. Let's wait and see.
We weren't locked into the #9 pick. You know that if we had our lottery pick and if this were a well-run organization, we would have shut down Marbury due to his knee and given the kids more time to play and probably finished with a much higher pick in what was a very strong draft. We still did give up the #2 pick, a legitimate shot at Oden or Durant, 2 second round picks, and 2 expiring contracts, maybe for a "poor man's allan houston."
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9/11/2007  8:55 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

All that and he doesn't even help his team win games.
Are you serious about this? You really think this or are you just trolling for responses?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-11-2007 08:55 AM]
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9/12/2007  7:23 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
* Ranks #23 in the NBA in Points Per Game(19.5)
* Ranks #29 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(7.0)
* Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.576)
* Ranks #16 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(585.0)
* Ranks #15 in the NBA in Free Throws(405.0)
* Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(659.0)
* Ranks #19 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.4)
* Ranks #16 in the NBA in Points(1576.0)
All that and he doesn't even help his team win games. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he ranks around 400th in most other categories.

okay, how about both of those remarks have very little relation to reality. NOt liking a player and not seeing his worth are 2 different things. Curry is one of the most dominant players in the league, period. The statistics show it, the games show it, if you can't see it, you should stop watching basketball and follow soccor.
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9/12/2007  7:59 AM
He's certainly one of the most dominant players in the low post. The double teams and triple teams he draws - often before he sees the ball show the respect opposing coaches have for what he can do inside.

But he is a flawed player. He doesn't rebound well or give the help defense you'd like from your center. His passing, while improved, needs to improve more. He's still young and he raised his game last season in several ways (stamina, avoiding offensive fouls and passing). The question in my mind is - will he continue to improve significantly.

He's valuable the way he is, but he needs to at least make a significant dent in his weaknesses before he's considered a top player in this league.
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9/12/2007  9:46 AM
Posted by Ira:

He's certainly one of the most dominant players in the low post. The double teams and triple teams he draws - often before he sees the ball show the respect opposing coaches have for what he can do inside.

But he is a flawed player. He doesn't rebound well or give the help defense you'd like from your center. His passing, while improved, needs to improve more. He's still young and he raised his game last season in several ways (stamina, avoiding offensive fouls and passing). The question in my mind is - will he continue to improve significantly.

He's valuable the way he is, but he needs to at least make a significant dent in his weaknesses before he's considered a top player in this league.

The double & triple teams aren't respect - they're an a slap in the face & basically say- curry will turn over the ball & if he does make the pass, there is no one else who can beat us.
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9/12/2007  5:07 PM
It may also have something to do with 20 points a game and 56% on field goals even with the double teams. Imagine what he's do if they didn't double and triple team him.
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9/12/2007  5:25 PM
Posted by Ira:

We recently saw an article that quoted Phil Jackson as saying something to the effect that Bynum isn't ready to play at a high enough level to help Kobe and the Lakers become a contender. If the Lakers don't want to trade Kobe, maybe their solution is to trade Bynum for a more productive vet. Would you trade any of the Knicks big men to get him?

Personally, I like Bynum's upside and feel we can wait a couple of years for him to develop. I'd consider trading any of the Knicks bigs depending on the package.

give them Zach... he's the most ready to help Kobe contend in the West & the contract i'd most like to get rid of.

- Bynum, Radmanovic & Kwame's expiring for Zach & Nate
- buy out Big Turd

C - Curry / Bynum / Kwame
PF - Lee / Rado / Malik
SF - Q Rich / Balkman / Chandler
SG - Craw / Jones / Nichols
PG - Marbury / Mardy / Dickau
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9/12/2007  6:08 PM
We didn't get Zach just to trade him. We got him in the desperate hopes of pushing the team to mediocrity and selling that as improvement to the fans.
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9/13/2007  2:00 PM
They wouldnt give up Bynum to get Jason Kidd. They're not giving him up for the likes of Jared Jefferies and co.

[Edited by - LBeast on 09-13-2007 2:01 PM]
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9/13/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

We didn't get Zach just to trade him. We got him in the desperate hopes of pushing the team to mediocrity and selling that as improvement to the fans.

right, i forgot.
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