Posted by bobs3304:

You mean Nate Robinson, Quentin Richardson, or Mardy Collins?

Yea, they SUCK!

Q was injured much of the year and also played SF a lot. Nate can't guard anyone and Mardy plays PG

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-07-2007 10:42 AM]

Posted by Marv:

how about trading him for mike miller?

eny would you do this? you're gaining a guy who posted better stats than crawford in just about every category. plus finally got rid of the crewcut.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Marv:

how about trading him for mike miller?

eny would you do this? you're gaining a guy who posted better stats than crawford in just about every category. plus finally got rid of the crewcut.

I don't think Memphis will take that deal but if we can pull off Craw for Mike Miller, I don't mind doing it. Honestly though Marv, Craw doesn't hurt us a lot. Miller would really help stretch the defense with the consistent shooting. What do you see us giving up to get him?

Mike Miller for JCraw is the only one that might be realistic & still in our favor... i'd make that trade but not sure MEM would.

Craw & Nate for Artest & a 2nd round pick is reasonable but even still, ur taking a huge chance w/that one because of Artest's volatility.

Caron Butler? we're not getting him for JCraw... WAS will want us to include at least Balkman as well, if not more... no deal.

White Chocolate? come on, you're not serious... Craw is way better than that guy offensively & he plays no defense so what's the point?

Larry Hughes? no thank you... that contract of his is heinous & he's always injured


if you're going to trade Craw, it's gotta be to add a player that will IMPROVE this team... trading him just for the sake of trading him is just idiotic... the kid's a very talented player & 1 of the only guys we have that can take over in crunchtime when we need someone to step up... put your personal biases aside & think of some trades that actually make sense, not ones just to get this guy off the roster because you don't particularly care for his style of play

MAN the more you look at it, the more you want to stand pat. Release garbage like Jerome and keep Nichols. The guy may just be the answer to our needs if we give him a chance. It doesn't have to be this year, but down the line...

Jamal isn't perfect, as Eny said, but there are few real good options. Miller isn't bad, but if you're gonna do that, then why even mess around with keeping a guy like Nichols? I think Nichols has more potential to be a good defender, which should also be a priority.

Posted by EnySpree:

Face it. Craw is not perfect but he's also not the problem.

Craws ability to effectively play the point guard position and score in the clutch should be look at as a great weapon.

I have been up and down on Craw - mostly down - as a Knicks. Right now I don't like him.

I think Craw IS part of the problem. Low FG%. No D. Can't keep guys in front of him which make our bigs work harder and/or get in foul trouble.

I don't buy into the clutch shooter, great weapon theory as much as most. Crawford has had his share and more of last minute shots, but IMHO he is part of the reason we are in the position to HAVE so many last second shots that potentially win the game. And as far as clutch goes, show me that in a playoff game where 2 evenly matched teams have gone head-to-head and Craw has held his own against another starting SG. Clutch is NOT someone who keeps taking shot after shot after shot and hits one after a while for a 23, 33 win team.

what about battier?

battier would be the kind of player we'd need with zach and curry in the post - he's basically what we were hoping jared jeffries would be, plus he can shoot. the problem with getting rid of crawford now is that he was practically the only one besides maybe marbury who could feed the post consistently last year.

Marquis? I can dig that but if you want mardy and steph to start, why not just start craw? Cuz of defense right?

Craw and marbs with Collins off the bench is pretty solid. Nate still factors in.

I'll put it like this. Marbs has to go. Since he can't and won't till either his contract is up or the time is right for isiah to make a major move, we are stuck with him.

How craw factors in is his ball handling ability. Marbs is a very plain ball handler. He is a bull dog. Craw is the flashy guy that draws the defense. Marbs is not a creative passer, craw is. Still neither is enough alone but together they are pretty good. They compliment each other well. Marbs can play off the ball and so can craw. Its a balance in the backcourt. Not exactly the perfect tandem but its the best we can do.

That's what this thread is about. None of us are in love with the craw and marbs backcourt but its the best we can do for now.

I think the question mark lies with how focused the group is coming into the season and how well zach fits in. Q has to be healthy. If not balkman and Jared should be enough.

Can the knicks get any better? Yes! But not by giving away craw for nothing or trading curry for "a shot blocking center" like there is anybody that good available. Don't say camby cuz if he was I'm sure he would have been traded already. He is a beast.

Anyway, any more bright idea?