Posted by EnySpree:

I think its absolutely retarded to say you would rather have a washed up veteran to play minimal minutes rather than craw. Its retarded.

Thank you.

I wanted to say something but it woulda come out much worse.

Posted by EnySpree:

I think its absolutely retarded to say you would rather have a washed up veteran to play minimal minutes rather than craw. Its retarded.

You guys have nothing to talk about.

I agree that craw never saw a shot he didn't like and his defense is terrible. I wouldn't mind trading him but for who? There isn't a player out there that is available that the knicks could get for craw. Not even if the knicks get screwed on a lopsided trade. Its crazy.

I think you are an idiot if you keep saying stuff about craw and demanding him traded but still refuse to say for who.

So I will ask again, trade craw for who? Everyone wants to play be mad dog Russo but won't go on record and say anything that can help the team.

I'm waiting....

i don't think it has to be about trading crawford but possibly signing or trading for another sg and moving crawford to the bench.

for example, colangelo signs anthony parker to a 3 year deal for $3/4 mil a year. parker has crazy shooting percentages (48 fg%, 44 3fg%) and plays some really good defense. i think he would be a better starting sg for us than crawford.

so we don't have to trade jamal, but we can trade/sign for another sg that may not have the sizzle but could provide some more steak.

Posted by MS:

For 41 games this year jamal shot around 35% didn't play defense, not to mention the shots that ignite breaks, he hurts you a lot more than he helps. Flashes of allstar brillance and a few big shots really cloud a lot of people's judgement.

We suck right now, we are a fringe playoff team, his contract is only going up and it's not by an accident that when you have a guy that doesn't defend playing 37 minutes while shooting 40% that your team is always watching the playoffs.

Having Houston play 15 minutes and having q play 25 minutes at the two and nicholas be active and spot up is a lot more effective. Especially when Collins gets all the backup point duties. We don't but a premium on defense and team ball. Cleveland talent wise outside of lebron is worse at every position but they defend and don't try to play outside themselves. Was orlando all that much better than us last year.

Whats the worst that could happen. The Hawks and Bobcats are still going to destroy our guards even if you have jamal starting. Getting rid of jamal is addition by subtraction he is not going to be a good player for this team because his skills don't translate to wins with this group.

No Kidding! although I'm not sure if I'd trade him just to trade him.

Jamal's a great kid and probably a wonderful teammate but his on court performance is gut wrenching. I was warming up to how LB was using him because at that time you saw a harnessed, controlled, basketball mind with a lot of leadership potential but last yr it was back to the Masonry Act. When is enough, enough with you nuthuggin fans? 40% isn't good and it isn't even average and this is from a guy who overall has freedom to chuck. Just think if Jamal at this point was available/trade bait from another team at his current salary none of you all would want him. Imagine him being on the market this off-season and us needing a shooter solid defensive 2 guard, would anybody seriously want Isiah to trade for him? Seriously I'm laughing as I'm typing this out because what would the trade be??...... Jeffries + Nate 4 Jamal. That right there should tell you where Jamal is at folks, he's a dime a dozen player and Isiah has attempted to trade him on several occasions already.

dj excellent point about Anthony Parker although why you always gots to mention the Raps any chance you get?



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-06-2007 8:33 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

dj excellent point about Tony Parker although why you always gots to mention the Raps any chance you get?

basically b/c they're the 2nd closest nba team i follow so i know alot about how they operate. and i think the whole going international with that team is a fantastic idea.

Papabear says

Allan Houston won't be coming to New York. Zeke said Allan would have to try out for the team and compete to make the team. Zeke distd him with that statement.

Papabear

Truehoop's take on the situation...

Allan Houston's Comeback
from ESPN.com - True Hoop - Blog
Posted by Kelly Dwyer

That didn't take long.

Really, you've got to admire the heck out of Allan Houston, and realize that this isn't your typical, "I'm a star who misses the pats on the back" story. Remember, two years ago at about this time, Houston was involved in a standoff with Knicks President Isiah Thomas concerning Houston's future with the Knicks, with most of the muskets having been fired through the media. Thomas wanted Houston to retire, knowing that Houston's fully insured contract would be off New York's bottom line about a month into the 2005-06 season -- a year after Houston's last game as a Knick, on December 10th, 2004.

Houston, even knowing that he is going to receive the remainder of his guaranteed contract whether he played or not, kept telling anyone who would listen that he wanted to come back to the Knicks. In the end, cooler heads prevailed - Houston decided not to compete for minutes and shots in a backcourt that included Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, and (eventually) Steve Francis. Meanwhile, the Knicks didn't have the uneasy task of telling a then-34 year old semi-legend that he wasn't good enough to play for a team that would eventually finish the season with 23 wins.

So, we appreciate Houston's interests, and believe him when he says he's interested in taking on the sort of leadership role (not unlike the one Joe Dumars had as Houston's teammate in the early 1990s) that he never had a chance to sidle up to as a Knick. We never blamed Houston for failing to live up to the contract that Scott Layden signed him to in 2001; a 30-year old Houston, even playing at his absolute best (which he did in 2002-03, his career year), wasn't worth half of that money. And in light of that contract, and the eventual insurance payoff, you can't blame him for wanting to give back a little bit, and play a sport for a living at the same time.

But it's a cruel world, roster spots are taken, and as we pointed out in one of our last turns 'round these here parts, Houston was getting his jumpers blocked while having an impossible time just getting shots off. And that was nearly three years ago.

So, yes, his arthritic knee may have magically worked itself back into gear; but that's quite a stretch. It's been well documented that shooters never lose their touch, even in (relatively) advanced age; but that only means something if said shooters can get said shots off. Houston, three years ago, could not.

I'd love for the comeback to work, mainly because shooting is at such a premium in this sport and a team like the Cavaliers is in danger of wasting the most precious of commodities (LeBron James, I know you've heard of him) if they don't find some perimeter help to surround him with. And yet, I just can't see Houston - based on everything we witnessed years ago, and everything we know about NBA players getting on in age, making it work. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

[Edited by - mythfaze on 09-07-2007 12:38 PM]