Posted by islesfan:

Posted by martin:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by kam77:

And who was it who SAVED the league from those drug days?

Take your time...

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-06-2007 11:58 AM]

Larry and Magic

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and who made the league player focused and promoted Magic and Larry? and then may have influenced the refs to make it easier for Jordan to finally trump?

Come on, that was a no brainer. Let's see, one great new young player on one of the NBA's premier teams, including one in a major market. Both competing for championships for an entire decade.

Sorry but a monkey would have focused and promoted Magic's Lakers and Larry's Celtics. And that focus on the individual player seamlessly and naturally moved on the Jordan.

I'm not trying to make Stern out to be a complete buffoon and ignore anything he's done well with running the NBA but he's also responsible for the downward trend that the NBA is experiencing. That includes the Donaghy scandal, which he can't just pawn off as something the NBA couldn't have done anything about.

tv deals, newspaper coverage, marketing, team vs player coverage, image, drug problems, 20+ other owners who want their players promoted. This ain't monkey business. Dude gets $10M a year for a reason.

I agree with you about the role of a commissioner. Stern's eyes have been off of the casual fan for so long now, and I'm not convinced they're on them now, that they've dug themselves a hole that they won't get out of before the next television contract is negotiated.

As it is, he sold part of the NBA's soul on the last TV deal, allowing such a fractured way of selling their product, all in the interest of maximizing dollars despite being an overall detriment to the league. For example, no casual fan on the east coast watched much of the best series of last year's playoffs, the Mavs-Warriors. Nobody knows what station the games are on and some people can't even get some of those stations. This was brought up on the NBA on NBC thread, before an Israeli-PLO conflict broke out.

Just because you have a large paycheck, doesn't mean you're doing a good job. exhibit A) Isiah exhibit B) Big Game

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

David Stern is a scumbag. If it's true what Stern says, that their competency eroded at the end of their careers, then why were they still allowed to officiate games? Why were they allowed to retire when they wanted to instead of being forced out on the basis of their shoddy officiating?

Stern is basically saying that either the NBA's monitoring program of officials is pathetic or they don't care that much about what their monitoring program says which allows subpar referees to continue to work games for them.

Stern has no integrity. His ego is getting too big for the job and he needs to go.

I seriously can't think of a worst commissioner in sports. Just awful from Head-to-Toe!

dude, you keep saying the same thing without really providing any backup, or maybe I missed it.

Sterns job is to keep the owners rolling in money; Check. Increase viewership; Check, up until very recently.

What am I missing?

Increase the popularity of the league so that bench players like Jerome James can make millions. Check.

I've made it very clear where this bum stands with me. It really isn't debatable anymore, and never was in my mind. The Ref Scandal has only exposed him for what he is and has been practically his whole tenure. And by keeping suspected incompetent refs on the payroll/employed, reffing high profiled games only means 1 thing IMO and that's those individuals had dirt on his system because they were a part of it. He greased their palms, stroked their egos, made them out to be demigods, to keep them hushed while they write their own scripts on games. Meanwhile the fan not only watches Fraud for yrs they paid an exorbitant price having this presentation before them, while suspecting but being lied to for yrs that this wasn't done under his watch and their eyes.

so where do you rank the other Commissioners? MLB, NHL, NFL?

Lockouts, steriods, convicted fellons who are let back in, dwindling viewships?

How about you look at Stern's full tenure where he brought the NBA from low attendance and viewship and drug-filled membership of the 70's and 80's up through the Jordan era?

And where does $$$ to ownership rank in your assessment or does it at all?

I hate the new TV deals but I understand them.

The ref scandal sucks and there is a lot of he said she said. Not unexpected. Who cares?

You take out Jordan, Bird, Magic and Stern's tenure is a footnote. He's a beneficiary of an era nothing more. Any commissioner if given the opportunity could have equaled if not bettered his success or lack thereof.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-06-2007 11:55 AM]

Posted by TrueBlue:


You take out Jordan, Bird, Magic and Stern's tenure is a footnote. He's a beneficiary of an era nothing more. Any commissioner if given the opportunity could have equaled if not bettered his success or lack thereof.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-06-2007 11:55 AM]

on another note, which came first: the chicken, the egg, Stern's marketing genius or Jordan/Bird/Magic?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Why can't Stern revitalize the Hawks?


Why have the Big Markets suffered for so long?


Why do players like Kapono and Carroll get marvelous deals for 1 average/mediocre season of play because no one in the league can shoot the damn ball?


Why can't players play defense and aren't allowed to play defense anymore?


Why can't players make free throws?


Why are there palming rules in the game yet players still palm the Hell out of the rock?


Why are certain players allowed to travel whenever they want but others aren't?


Why are coaches lame ducks when they are hired?


Why are players GM's of teams?


Why is there no room for interpretation when leaving the bench but there appears to be some on ref gambling?


Why are all these old BUMS making comebacks all of a sudden or being begged by certain teams to come back meanwhile certain players with upside can't even get inked by the teams that drafted them?

how is any of this relevant?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Why can't Stern revitalize the Hawks?


Why have the Big Markets suffered for so long?


Why do players like Kapono and Carroll get marvelous deals for 1 average/mediocre season of play because no one in the league can shoot the damn ball?


Why can't players play defense and aren't allowed to play defense anymore?


Why can't players make free throws?


Why are there palming rules in the game yet players still palm the Hell out of the rock?


Why are certain players allowed to travel whenever they want but others aren't?


Why are coaches lame ducks when they are hired?


Why are players GM's of teams?


Why is there no room for interpretation when leaving the bench but there appears to be some on ref gambling?


Why are all these old BUMS making comebacks all of a sudden or being begged by certain teams to come back meanwhile certain players with upside can't even get inked by the teams that drafted them?

how is any of this relevant?

These are just few things wrong with the league(dragging it down) that have surfaced under his watch.

what commissioner doesn't have these kinds of problems?

And, is Stern responsible for them all? No.

I can't believe some of the questions.

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by martin:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Why can't Stern revitalize the Hawks?


Why have the Big Markets suffered for so long?


Why do players like Kapono and Carroll get marvelous deals for 1 average/mediocre season of play because no one in the league can shoot the damn ball?


Why can't players play defense and aren't allowed to play defense anymore?


Why can't players make free throws?


Why are there palming rules in the game yet players still palm the Hell out of the rock?


Why are certain players allowed to travel whenever they want but others aren't?


Why are coaches lame ducks when they are hired?


Why are players GM's of teams?


Why is there no room for interpretation when leaving the bench but there appears to be some on ref gambling?


Why are all these old BUMS making comebacks all of a sudden or being begged by certain teams to come back meanwhile certain players with upside can't even get inked by the teams that drafted them?

how is any of this relevant?

These are just few things wrong with the league(dragging it down) that have surfaced under his watch.

and again, how is this relevant to Stern?

Martin they are self explanatory abc 123. No need to dumb it down any more than it is.

I almost forgot that Stern should be one step in the hiring process of GM's. My bad.

Stern: "No, no, Phoenix, Steve Kerr is a former player with too many ties to players and teams and owners. You shouldn't hire him. I have some suggestions. Dang, I gotta called Selig about this new policy of mine."

This IS easy. 123.

Posted by martin:

I almost forgot that Stern should be one step in the hiring process of GM's. My bad.

Stern: "No, no, Phoenix, Steve Kerr is a former player with too many ties to players and teams and owners. You shouldn't hire him. I have some suggestions. Dang, I gotta called Selig about this new policy of mine."

This IS easy. 123.

Right back atcha

Who instituted hand checking rules A.K.A. The Jordan Rule?

Palming was ok when A.I. was a headliner and soon as he started wearing on Stern Palming Rule Instituted but yet it only applies to certain players hmmmmmmmm interesting

2 steps on a fast break is the rule but it's 4 or 5 when it comes to Lebron and Manu Ginobli hmmmmmmm interesting

Can't go in the lane before the free throw shooter releases his shot and (it happens all the time) but I need my refs(demigods) to really enforce this when Shaq is shooting them hmmmmmmm interesting



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-06-2007 7:41 PM]

^ yeah, trueblue, lame.

The problem I have with Stern is he is basically circling his wagons around his people under whom this issue happened.

How can he rip Hollins, when it was under his watch, not Hollins, that Donaghy became a mole informant to the mob?

Stern should take responsibility, and admit that Nunn & Jackson are not free of potentially taking a fall, and needing to be changed- that perhaps it is time for new blood- and that maybe he too should consider moving on, if that is what is deemed should happen.

I tend to think Stern has done a great job- but there comes a time when people should move on. Term Limits make sense- they bring in fresh blood, new ideas and enthusiasm.