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8/26/2007  6:30 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think Nate needs to work on his imagining skills. He should able to imagine something as basic as playing for another team.




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8/27/2007  10:55 AM
On the Knick players getting together over the past few weeks at the MSG Training Center to work out: “My rookie year, guys didn’t come in. To be real, guys didn’t come in. My sophomore year, guys didn’t come in . . . Now, it’s like, guys are serious. Everybody that came in and worked out and played and been here. And that’s a good thing.”

can someone tell me why the hell it took this team this freakin' long for guys to suddenly get serious about working out at the MSG Training Center?
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8/27/2007  11:10 AM
Posted by TMS:
On the Knick players getting together over the past few weeks at the MSG Training Center to work out: “My rookie year, guys didn’t come in. To be real, guys didn’t come in. My sophomore year, guys didn’t come in . . . Now, it’s like, guys are serious. Everybody that came in and worked out and played and been here. And that’s a good thing.”

can someone tell me why the hell it took this team this freakin' long for guys to suddenly get serious about working out at the MSG Training Center?

no leadership. Your best player/players have to start it and then the rest will follow.
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8/27/2007  11:13 AM
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Posted by TMS:
On the Knick players getting together over the past few weeks at the MSG Training Center to work out: “My rookie year, guys didn’t come in. To be real, guys didn’t come in. My sophomore year, guys didn’t come in . . . Now, it’s like, guys are serious. Everybody that came in and worked out and played and been here. And that’s a good thing.”

can someone tell me why the hell it took this team this freakin' long for guys to suddenly get serious about working out at the MSG Training Center?

no leadership. Your best player/players have to start it and then the rest will follow.

we still have no leadership... or at least the same so called "leaders" that we've had for the past few years... so why did it take them this long to figure out that you actually have to WORK HARD in order to improve on your game? god, this is what's so damn frustrating about this g*ddamn team!
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8/27/2007  11:25 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
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On the Knick players getting together over the past few weeks at the MSG Training Center to work out: “My rookie year, guys didn’t come in. To be real, guys didn’t come in. My sophomore year, guys didn’t come in . . . Now, it’s like, guys are serious. Everybody that came in and worked out and played and been here. And that’s a good thing.”

can someone tell me why the hell it took this team this freakin' long for guys to suddenly get serious about working out at the MSG Training Center?

no leadership. Your best player/players have to start it and then the rest will follow.

we still have no leadership... or at least the same so called "leaders" that we've had for the past few years... so why did it take them this long to figure out that you actually have to WORK HARD in order to improve on your game? god, this is what's so damn frustrating about this g*ddamn team!

I think David was the only regular at the MSG facility last summer. More this year and hopefully Curry and Zbo next year.
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8/27/2007  11:26 AM
Well two years ago we didn't have Eddy Curry so you can't blame him.

I blame the management flux.

We had the summer of chasing down Larry Brown and maybe the players thought Larry would come in and magically fix everything. Then last summer was so depressing that i think the players were worn down from the LB saga.

After a year where some harmony and chemistry was instilled, it figures that the players will start to give more.
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8/27/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
On the Knick players getting together over the past few weeks at the MSG Training Center to work out: “My rookie year, guys didn’t come in. To be real, guys didn’t come in. My sophomore year, guys didn’t come in . . . Now, it’s like, guys are serious. Everybody that came in and worked out and played and been here. And that’s a good thing.”

can someone tell me why the hell it took this team this freakin' long for guys to suddenly get serious about working out at the MSG Training Center?

no leadership. Your best player/players have to start it and then the rest will follow.

we still have no leadership... or at least the same so called "leaders" that we've had for the past few years... so why did it take them this long to figure out that you actually have to WORK HARD in order to improve on your game? god, this is what's so damn frustrating about this g*ddamn team!

Who cares about why? Let's just focus on the way this team seems to be coming into this year with a more serious attitude. I think they always took things serious in their individual workouts. Perhaps now as a group they have a more unified collective mentality, which is a good thing, but let's remember that this is a somewhat modern practice. Back in the day teams didn't get together in the off season as much. Ewing would workout with his Georgetown buddies, but as a team you didn't see as much. Of course you always had the old mandatory voluntary mini camp, but that was a Coach thing. Players coming together on their own as a team is fairly new. It doesn't guarantee success either, but at least it's a start to improving things with this team.

As long as each individual comes in with a self sacrificing spirit, looking for what's best for the team, then i'm all for it. Whether they participated in the off season get togethers or not.
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8/27/2007  11:44 AM
Then last summer was so depressing that i think the players were worn down from the LB saga.

Are you kidding me?
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8/27/2007  11:48 AM
Last January, one of my bosses got fired, and he was a complete jerk that he always harrassed the workers. Sexually harrassed some of the younger girls too and ALWAYS snapped at me, if I came to him with a problem. After he got fired, I decided to stop working. Does that sound silly? Well, it's the same thing as that.

BTW, I really didn't decide to stop working, but I was trying to make a point.
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8/27/2007  12:02 PM
a raptors assistant coach said this about his veterans and leadership: (i'm paraphrasing)

it's easy for young players to get distracted during the course of a season. sometimes in practice they may try to coast. sometimes they want to just chill and relax. that's why it's so important to surround them with veterans that have won before (in this case he's referring to anthony parker, garbajosa, rasho). they will continue to get on their younger teammates and keep them motivated during the times they start to get distracted. they will show them the committment needed to succeed and the how much work they have to put in. and what gives those veterans respect is that they've won big elsewhere so their words don't ring hollow. (again, this is paraphrasing)
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we have ALOT of young guys on the team. but it looks like over the past 3 seasons, our vets (outside of possibly malik) may not have that kind of influence on them. and there's only so much a coaching staff can do. maybe we're starting to see a turnaround as the young guys are getting older, that they, on their own realize the importance to committing to their game during the offseason. but on a team this young, having steph on his shoe tour last summer, and now zach still in portland, it seems like it may have had a negative impact.

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8/27/2007  12:06 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Who cares about why? Let's just focus on the way this team seems to be coming into this year with a more serious attitude. I think they always took things serious in their individual workouts.

what on earth would make you feel that they always took things serious in their individual workouts? did you see them working out? i haven't & i'm not working under any assumptions here, just going off the results & what is said by the players themselves... we have 1 of the team members here saying that guys weren't serious about working out at the training facility in years past... why is that? we pay these freakin' guys to play a freakin' game & work hard to improve on their games... other than Eddy Curry, David Lee & Mardy Collins, i didn't notice much improvement in play from any of our players this past season... it's great that they're finally taking things seriously now, but again, why did it take this long? it's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
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8/27/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

Who cares about why? Let's just focus on the way this team seems to be coming into this year with a more serious attitude. I think they always took things serious in their individual workouts.

what on earth would make you feel that they always took things serious in their individual workouts? did you see them working out? i haven't & i'm not working under any assumptions here, just going off the results & what is said by the players themselves... we have 1 of the team members here saying that guys weren't serious about working out at the training facility in years past... why is that? we pay these freakin' guys to play a freakin' game & work hard to improve on their games... other than Eddy Curry, David Lee & Mardy Collins, i didn't notice much improvement in play from any of our players this past season... it's great that they're finally taking things seriously now, but again, why did it take this long? it's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

How long are you talking about? Very few of the guys on this team have been here for very long. Besides it's all relative. Guys may have taken their individual workouts seriously, but maybe when he's seen them at the Center they haven't been that into it. This doesn't mean that they never got it going on their own with their own trainors. He's only speaking about the times they got together at the MSG facility. Heck he wasn't even around much last year by his own admission.

That doesn't mean they can't step it up. That can always be done. No matter how hard you work, there's always another level you can take it to. Different things you can focus on and refinements you can make. To me the biggest problem we have is between the ears and not in the physical aspects. I doubt that everyone would agree with Nate's assessment of how seriously they have taken their workouts in the past, as if he's one to judge such things. Still I don't care about the past, I only care about what they're doing right now.
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8/27/2007  12:44 PM
Yeah it's nice to see in print from actual player the same words that gets posters called haters.

Posters have been complaining for years that this team doesn't work hard. You can see it in the on court results and efforts. NOw you are seeing actual players saying it. Hopefully the realization will settle in with all the players and THIS IS THE YEAR they decide that the effort is as important as wanting to win.

This is why your vets are so important. When your hardest working guys are your superstars, everyone falls in line. If Curry and Zack lead the way this team will turn around overnight. If they bust their bizzalls on offense, defense and in the workouts we will be one of the top teams in the East. If not, we will win 38-41 games and callign it progress.
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8/27/2007  1:41 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Yeah it's nice to see in print from actual player the same words that gets posters called haters.

Posters have been complaining for years that this team doesn't work hard. You can see it in the on court results and efforts. NOw you are seeing actual players saying it. Hopefully the realization will settle in with all the players and THIS IS THE YEAR they decide that the effort is as important as wanting to win.

This is why your vets are so important. When your hardest working guys are your superstars, everyone falls in line. If Curry and Zack lead the way this team will turn around overnight. If they bust their bizzalls on offense, defense and in the workouts we will be one of the top teams in the East. If not, we will win 38-41 games and callign it progress.

I know it's not an easy thing to do, but getting a guy like Wade, Kidd, Billups, Nash or even a young Deron Williams to run the team is a very important aspect to the success of a team. I'm sure that if Steph was a leader by nature things could've been a little better. Right now I get a feeling that Mardy is a guy that has a bit more of a leadership quality to him, but we'll have to see. I just liked how he handled himself when he got the opportunity to lead the team. I saw a bit of determination in him. The way he would get aggressive when it was needed and the way he seemed to settle the team. He has a lot of work to do, but I just get the idea that he could develop into a good floor leader for us. Whereas Nate is coming from such a long way in the opposite direction that he seems further away to me. I could be wrong, but that's the sense that I get. I think he'd be good as a backup PG for us in the future, but for now i'd rather see Mardy, who showed me more aptitude for running the team and a great deal on Defense and rebounding.
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8/27/2007  2:06 PM
Posted by nixluva:
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Posted by nixluva:

Who cares about why? Let's just focus on the way this team seems to be coming into this year with a more serious attitude. I think they always took things serious in their individual workouts.

what on earth would make you feel that they always took things serious in their individual workouts? did you see them working out? i haven't & i'm not working under any assumptions here, just going off the results & what is said by the players themselves... we have 1 of the team members here saying that guys weren't serious about working out at the training facility in years past... why is that? we pay these freakin' guys to play a freakin' game & work hard to improve on their games... other than Eddy Curry, David Lee & Mardy Collins, i didn't notice much improvement in play from any of our players this past season... it's great that they're finally taking things seriously now, but again, why did it take this long? it's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

How long are you talking about? Very few of the guys on this team have been here for very long. Besides it's all relative. Guys may have taken their individual workouts seriously, but maybe when he's seen them at the Center they haven't been that into it. This doesn't mean that they never got it going on their own with their own trainors. He's only speaking about the times they got together at the MSG facility. Heck he wasn't even around much last year by his own admission.

That doesn't mean they can't step it up. That can always be done. No matter how hard you work, there's always another level you can take it to. Different things you can focus on and refinements you can make. To me the biggest problem we have is between the ears and not in the physical aspects. I doubt that everyone would agree with Nate's assessment of how seriously they have taken their workouts in the past, as if he's one to judge such things. Still I don't care about the past, I only care about what they're doing right now.

neither i nor you know a damn thing about how hard these guys work on their own... all we can go on is what the players actually say & the results we see on the court during games... if there's a guy like Nate talking about how guys haven't really dedicated themselves to working out at the training facility in years past, it has to raise some red flags & some legitimate questions... i'd be very curious to see if Tony Parker feels the Spurs haven't dedicated themselves to working out together at the Spurs training facility over the past few years... maybe they have or maybe they haven't, but it would stand to reason to believe that a championship team that plays like a championship team doesn't just happen because they have talent... it takes a lot of hard work & dedication to reach any level of success at the pro level, & so far, our team hasn't reached much of anything.
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8/27/2007  2:56 PM
does all this effort in making nate a point guard say anything about the organization's view of mardy?
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8/27/2007  4:05 PM
most say it takes 3 yrs before players start to get it.

I say "show me the money" A new contract is what motivates young players after that 3rd ye
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8/27/2007  4:51 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

does all this effort in making nate a point guard say anything about the organization's view of mardy?

I don't think so. Steph is leaving soon and the Knicks will be down to Mardy and shooting guards who have been converted or are in the middle: Nate and Crawford.

Nate is undersized for a shooting guard but he can shoot and break down the D. No reason to not try to move him to a back up 1 position.
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8/27/2007  5:13 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Then last summer was so depressing that i think the players were worn down from the LB saga.

Are you kidding me?

I was trying to describe something akin to Learned helplessness. For example... take a dog and put him in a small box (no i'm not related to Mike Vick) and lay down electrical wiring on the entire box. The dog learns that no matter where he sits, he will get shocked. Change it so only half the wiring will shock the dog and the other half of the box is safe... the dog is too shellshocked to even walk around and discover that they can move to the side where they won't be shocked.

For a couple years the Media was pretty down on the team. They were beaten down for so long, they figure ... why work more when my efforts will be futile anyway.

The problem boils down to poor management.

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8/27/2007  5:16 PM
Nate Robinson next Calvin Murphy.

Or just pretender?
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