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nixluva
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8/21/2007  5:12 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Why is it that when stars like JKidd and Nash and go to teams those teams immediately turn it around, yet when "stars" come to the KNicks we have to wait for an adjustment period. Now don't get me wrong Zach is not Kidd or Nash but we added a 23-10 player to our roster that was already a borderline .500 team. If you don't start seeing results than it's time to re-evaluate what's going on, and where we are headed. Our core group(Marbs, Curry, Jamal, Lee, Q) have been together going on three years now. Balkman and Mardy are on year two. Nix is right, the only new piece that was added was Zach, if this affects us negatively than it's probably due to an imbalanced roster.

No matter how many new improved pieces we add, it's still gonna come down to Steph, Mardy, Jamal & Nate doing the job. Those guys are the true floor generals on the team and they must run the offense and provide the leading edge of the defense or we won't be successful. Q has a slightly less impactful part to play in that as well, but he's not really a ball handler. Balkman will have an impact also, since he does grab rebs and handles the ball well. After them the next important aspect is of course the Zach and Curry factor. How well they read and react to the defense? Will they get in each others way or flow properly? If they're making crisp enough passes at the right time this will be a great yr. If they can at least team up to hold the fort on D, this will be a great yr.

I can see most of these things happening at an acceptable level. This is why my expectations are high for this team this year. There should be no mystery this year. Steph, Mardy, Jamal & Nate should know this system and their role. I think it was clear that they didn't always have it down last year, but I don't want to see any of that this year.
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8/21/2007  5:24 PM
To be honest with you Nix if this backcourt really struggles to run the offense with the two big guys it may be time for a whole new backcourt. At that point you really have to find a PG and a SG that can grow with the two front court players. I'm not saying you definitely get rid of all four but the possibility should not be taken off the table.
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8/21/2007  5:40 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

To be honest with you Nix if this backcourt really struggles to run the offense with the two big guys it may be time for a whole new backcourt. At that point you really have to find a PG and a SG that can grow with the two front court players. I'm not saying you definitely get rid of all four but the possibility should not be taken off the table.

I hope that doesn't happen, cuz that would be a disaster. We're right at the edge with Steph and Nate. Both will want to do well this year. Nate for obvious reasons and Steph to put a crown on his legacy. He can make up for some of his bad years with a big year as a floor leader. Jamal is the one that I can't get a feel for. Last year he really disappointed me. Then he had a stretch where he was taking it to the hole and hitting this floaters and I liked that. He really only needs to focus on the basics. Make the post feed when it's there. Catch and shoot when open. Fake and Drive when the defender is there. Feeding the post seems to be easier for Mardy. I just hope his confidence and form on his shot is there. If it is he's my pick for taking over the PG spot. I've always liked big PG's. His D and rebounding are a huge plus. He looked so poised at the end of last season. That was some invaluable experience he got and I think we'll be better for it.
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8/21/2007  5:44 PM
Chicago really could have used Zach, Phoenix as well.
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8/21/2007  5:48 PM
Hmmmm let's see, Mardy 4 years at a university playing for a coach that preaches fundamentals. Jamal being told to shoot everywhere he goes. This explains a lot. There is a reason why guys like Jamal are so frustrating. They have out of this world talent but because of their lack of college experience and coaching they know so little of the fundamentals. And as we see with Detroit and San Antonio fundamentals are so important to winning. This is why you can add so many good players to a roster and still only see 35 and 40 wins. I'm hooping these guys learn, but if not we may have to go out and find guys that already know this stuff
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8/21/2007  6:12 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Hmmmm let's see, Mardy 4 years at a university playing for a coach that preaches fundamentals. Jamal being told to shoot everywhere he goes. This explains a lot. There is a reason why guys like Jamal are so frustrating. They have out of this world talent but because of their lack of college experience and coaching they know so little of the fundamentals. And as we see with Detroit and San Antonio fundamentals are so important to winning. This is why you can add so many good players to a roster and still only see 35 and 40 wins. I'm hooping these guys learn, but if not we may have to go out and find guys that already know this stuff
I think Mardy is already that guy, tho I could be wrong. I've never really paid any attention to Dickau, but he'd be cheap. No matter what happens I expect that we'll be going for PG's next offseason.
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8/21/2007  6:44 PM
I don't know if Mardy is that guy, but in our current situation I'd much rather go down with him trying to become that guy and maybe having a veteran that knows the game mentoring him than to continue to let Marbs run the show with the hopes that he can elevate us to a 6 or a 7 seed. A Derek Harper type a Doc Rivers type. An Avery Johnson type. Anyone taht can teach our young guards the finer parts of the game and help them to actually become that guy. Right now we are relying on vets that are learning the finer points themselves. I personally don't understand this.
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8/21/2007  7:32 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

you hit the nail on the head...zeke is a car salesman and he sold cap relief and future.

Zach wouldn't have worked on a team that already has a chemistry in place because of his ability to dominate not just one game, but a stretch of games...for that matter an entire season.

He'd coming off the bench anywhere else, or the key players in chemistry would have had to go.

Really like where?

Because he would start on any of the top teams from the Piston,Spurs, Suns, Nets, Heat,Jazz,Cavs, Bulls, Rockets, and Dallas. Not to mention all the bottom teams. As a matter of fact there are probably only two teams in the league that Zach can't start on if that.

I think you have Zach mixed up with Frye.





[Edited by - BigC on 08-21-2007 7:38 PM]
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8/21/2007  11:17 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't know if Mardy is that guy, but in our current situation I'd much rather go down with him trying to become that guy and maybe having a veteran that knows the game mentoring him than to continue to let Marbs run the show with the hopes that he can elevate us to a 6 or a 7 seed. A Derek Harper type a Doc Rivers type. An Avery Johnson type. Anyone taht can teach our young guards the finer parts of the game and help them to actually become that guy. Right now we are relying on vets that are learning the finer points themselves. I personally don't understand this.
Pardon me while I get optimistic on you. It's funny cuz if we get the kind of performance out of Zach and Curry that I think we can reasonably expect, then I believe Steph could actually lift this team to a level higher than 6 or 7. Don't underestimate him, just because this TEAM hasn't yet put it all together. Steph can be a potent part of a good team. If you have Zach and Curry having a good game and Steph filling in, which he can do quite easily, you can have 3, 20 pt scorers in there easy. I don't expect that for 82 games, but in the playoffs Steph could EASILY raise his level of play, as he showed last year. That Steph playing with Zach and Curry at playoff time is a serious Trio. He showed that he can play the role of a facilitator last year. It took him a while, but he did get it.

See to me it makes Steph more dangerous, Jamal, Lee and Balk more dangerous when you have Zach and Curry on the team. It amplifies their effectiveness, cuz they're always there taking up the slack as the other team is so preoccupied with stopping Zach and Curry. All of these guys only need just a moments distraction and they're gonna kill their defender. Lee and Balk are gonna kill teams on the boards while they're distracted with stopping Zeddy. If you think about the abilities of these players, you know that's true. Exactly how are teams gonna stop us for 48 mins is what i'm wondering. I think you can expect us to be one of the higher scoring teams in the league this year. IMO other teams missed out on what adding Zach can do for you if you have a good team around him. Zach has guys out there with him that can crank it up at any moment. Jamal and Steph clearly have that kind of ability. Now we only need one of those guys to step up on any given night and that could put us over the top. LeBron didn't have that and it cost them. Heck even a guy like Nate is more explosive than most of the guys LeBron played with. This is what makes adding Zach so important IMO.

Yeah I know it's all on the offensive side, but that's the nature of this team. We can't go away from that. We can only look to play enough D to make our Point Differential come out on the plus side. I'm hoping for a +2 at least. We're already a better defensive team than Wash. We just need to tighten things up on D, lower the TO's and i've got a good feeling that we can have a strong year.

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8/22/2007  7:23 AM
My view is not optimistic or pessimistic, it's just my ideas of what I feel the Knicks need to do to ultimately win a title. I'm not sure who it is that determines who's ideas are optimistic and best for the Knicks and who's isn't, but I have my own opinion.

I think Steph can elevate us at the current moment if he has his act together. No reason he can't. But again, I think it's time to start looking long-term and not short term. If everything goes according to the best laidime. plans than when we are seriously ready to compete Steph will be 34 and 35 years old. It's time to replace him. Again, I'm not interested in Steph elevating his game and having us fighting for a 6th seed. I am interested in building a long-term team around Zach and Eddy(because that is who we has decided are our key figures) that can be a contender. In three years we are going to need a PG in place that can get them the ball. Not sure I see the harm in starting that process now. If Mardy is that guy than clear the way for him.

As for the defensive side of the ball. Again we know we aren't a great defensive team. We know we aren't even a good one. But we also know that if we are going to win a title eventually we have to develop it. So just like I said in the past when we eventually start to win we will have a core group of guys that understands the importance of both sides of the ball. We can gloss over it and say hey that's not the type of team we are, and oh Washington is like us, but the bottom line is we aren't going to be a real contender until this becomes true. And once again when what I'm calling for becomes true everyone can say I told you so.

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8/22/2007  8:01 AM
"Pardon me while I get optimistic on you." - nixluva

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8/22/2007  8:46 AM
Oh and Nix: lest we forget again. For the second straight season our predictions for the team's record are almost identical to each other. So let's get rid of the optimism vs. pessimism, hater vs. lover and just give our opinions on what is best for the Knicks going forward
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