Posted by jazz74:

as far as awareness, houston was more fundamentally sound than stakrs. i love styarks but he was a loose cannon out there and made planty of mistakes with decisions and passing.

If by awareness you mean discipline then you can say that about Starks on offense because he wasn't a great jump shooter. But Starks has a slightly better assist to turnover ratio than Houston. Mainly because Starks got more assists.

Starks: 3.6 to 1.8 for career
Houston: 2.4 to 2.1 for career

Also, you ranking system doesn't work with your own ratings. When you add up all the ratings you get:

spree - 86
Houston - 79
Starks - 79
Crawford - 78
So that means you have Houston and Starks sharing the #2 spot and Crawford coming in at 4 just a point behind them. Thats after you gave Houston and Crawford the same points for dunking. I smell a bit of a bias here.

Adding these things up doesn't really describe who the better player is, necasarily. If someone is quick, with athleticism and awareness, and plays tough defense, they would rank higher though not necasarily be the better player.

For instance, if you put D. Lee or Balk into this category, theyd probably beat some of the guys on this list, and they shouldn't.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Killa4luv:

His shot creation should be an absolute 10. When you avaerage 20 points per game, and the whole offense consists of isolation just you and a defender, I think its pretty safe to say you can create your own shot.

Does Curry get a 10 at shot creation too?

for what he does I'd have to say yes. He is unstoppable. He can get his shot off everytime. Of course its a different position and a different type of shot, but if he gets the ball in the post, he is unstoppable, which is why he is double teamed, and its also why his fg% is so high.

Ranking the knicks shooting guards is pretty easy.

Spewell was the best hands down. He didn't get the bulk scoring that Houston did but when the game was on the line spree was the man. That is a fact. Spree was the 3 technically but he always had to guard the tougher assignment reguardless of position. He was the best period.

Houston is next. He had awesome offensive skills and was wicked one on one. Thing about him is that you always get the feeling he could take it to the next level. 1999 in the playoffs was his legacy. He was the best shoothing guard ever during those playoffs. He never came close to that ever again. For that he is right between spree and starks. He should be below starks but that 1999 playoffs and his 50 pt games just barely gives him the nod.

Starks was an awesome player. The dude never made a stupid play. It was the rare occation where he would do something stupid. He would do exactly what we would have done anyway. Head butting Reggie, etc. Starks always made up for it. He was a streaky shooter but when he was on he was dangerous. He also was a lockdown defender. He could run the point. He got the long rebounds. He was a damn good player. He out his heart and soul out there and don't any of you forget that. The man deserves that respect.

Dick Barnett is in the rafters. I never seen the guy play but if he is in the rafters something had to be special about him.

Ray Williams was nasty too. Too bad he wasn't lucky enough to have a good team around him. He was aroung during the sugar days. That's just bad luck.

Gerald Wilkins was a good scorer and defender. He was a good knicks. He averaged 18 per once I believe. Can't count him out.

Hubert Davis was steady enough, but it was clearly starks show at the time.

What about dick McGuire?

Posted by Ira:

What about dick McGuire?

Wasn't he a point guard?

Back then there wasn't really a point guard. Jerry west wasn't a point but the again who was?

Anybody familiar with him? I saw a special about him. He seemed like a dominant player in his day.

Richie guerin and dick McGuire were before my time. I mean my parents were babies when these guys were on the downsides of their careers.

I would love to hear some masterbation posting on either.

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If I had to choose one of those guards to be my SG on my team today, it would probably have to be Starks. When you think of Starks, he never gave up, he always brought the fighting NY spirit to the court. He was streaky, but he was on more nights than he was off. He was clutch, played great defense (against some of the best guards of my time). I choose him over Sprewell because he was a knick longer, I seen him do it for a few seasons. The guy knew how to work the pick and roll.

Sprewell, was awesome and he was the man even though Dolan gave Houston the franchise salary. Spree was the heart, he did everything Starks did and probably better. The only thing with him is that he came with baggage that starks never had.

Houston - Seriously, Houstons claim to fame came in 1999, but it fizzled. He became the Michael Redd or Ray Allen of the Knicks. The guy was a great scorer and talented but was surrounded by garbage. On offense, Houston was a good 2nd option to have, but on Defense he was not as good.

Hubert Davis - really shouldn't be mentioned with this bunch. Hubert was a flat out shooter, he really didn't do much of anything else. He couldn't create a shot for himself, he basically came off curls and shot open 3s off doubles from Patrick Ewing.

Jamal Crawford - I think Jamal Crawford is the most talented of all of them. Jamal Crawford still has time to become a great player in the league, the only difference with crawford is the Defense is not their. I know he has heart and NY emotions, I see that in the games he plays, but the d is just not there.

Gerald Wilkins - Can't really comment, I can't remember those games.