Frye got as many attempts last year under Isiah as he did under Larry Brown. And with defense's attention focused on Eddy, the attempts Frye was getting were quality. For whatever reason he was missing them or passing on those open jumpers.

I also have a hard time thinking that Frye could put up almost 20 ppg on 56% shooting while double-teamed. In fact, that’s just nonsense, probably born from the notion that Eddy only got those numbers because Isiah was "feeding" him the ball. While Frye showed some ability in the post, he simply isn't in the same league as Eddy. Just isn't his game.

As good as I think Channing might be, he wasn't ready to be this team's go-to scorer last year, evidenced by his unwillingness to shoot the ball when he had the opportunity. Its simply fantasy to think he did, or that Isiah is somehow at fault for not putting him in that position.

Again, doesn't mean he isn't going to be a very good player in this league. But to too many a guy putting up Drew Gooden's numbers at 24 is a "bust".

Knicks fans suck.

Frye has a good outside shot for a big. That's the extent of his talent. And when you jam the guy, that takes away his one advantage.

Frye's a good guy and a hard worker. So he'll impress in workouts and in summer practices, but he's not as good as Aldridge or Zach - not close to Zach.

Was Channing Frye traded because the fans gave up on him or because Isiah gave up on him? I personally don't remember being involved in the trade discussions. This notion that you can't rebuild in NY is a lie put forth by management teams that are unwilling to rebuild in NY.

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by TrueBlue:
So does that mean what Nate did in Summer League along with Nichols and Chandler is thrown out the window? I'd say so.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 08-13-2007 3:17 PM]

I suspect, Blue, that you would certainly like to think so.

That is, until one of them is traded to another team, then their success somewhere else becomes something else to hold against Isiah, another feather in your "hater" camp.

Yes, we sure do love to see our youngsters develop...somewhere else.


[Edited by - rembee76 on 08-13-2007 4:25 PM]

LMFAO! I hate Nate Robinson.....

along with Curry, Marbury, I SAY UGH, Dolan and think Zach is a black hole, therefore I don't dislike everything about the team. But you need to keep a better track of what I do and don't like if you want to give yourself even a remote chance of being on my level.

Posted by mythfaze:

Posted by MS:

I was never a big channing fan and thought we should have went bynum or granger.

But Frye is a guy that needs shots and he is someone thats not going to be effective if he doesn't get them. If you centered the offense around channing the same way you centered it around eddy i think their numbers would be very similiar.

Frye was but in a position to fail, thanks to isiah. He was used as a decoy didn't get the touches he needed in the post and was often floating outside and had to take a bad shot to get a shot. We didn't run pick and pops or rolls and as a result his game suffered.

He doesn't have the toughness to make it where he is constanly under the microscope, thats why portland is a good place for him behind oden and roye.

Completely agree. He would have done much much better if our offense hadn't been "Eddy Curry or Bust."

And 2

Posted by TrueBlue:
But you need to keep a better track of what I do and don't like if you want to give yourself even a remote chance of being on my level.

As soon as your opinions start having any value, blue, rest assured I'll keep track of them.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Bippity10:

Was Channing Frye traded because the fans gave up on him or because Isiah gave up on him? I personally don't remember being involved in the trade discussions. This notion that you can't rebuild in NY is a lie put forth by management teams that are unwilling to rebuild in NY.

Bip,

Sorry you weren't there that day. The rest of us were involved in the discussion, and we just assumed you'd agree with the decision.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 08-13-2007 17:27]

I stand corrected, I guess the fans were involved in the trade arrangements. Thanks for informing me BJones. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

Posted by RemBee76:

Posted by TrueBlue:
But you need to keep a better track of what I do and don't like if you want to give yourself even a remote chance of being on my level.

As soon as your opinions start having any value, blue, rest assured I'll keep track of them.

OK keep replying to the imaginary poster then.

Posted by Bippity10:
This notion that you can't rebuild in NY is a lie put forth by management teams that are unwilling to rebuild in NY.

Ok, let’s start there.

Why, exactly, would management teams be "unwilling" to rebuild in NY?

You would think the opposite, especially in Isiah's case where he had more experience building/rebuilding in Toronto and Indiana than trying to jump-start moribund franchises with veteran talent. His only real success as a manager has come from the draft.

And why on earth would you think it is easier for Dolan to write checks for literally hundreds of millions of dollars than building on young and cheap talent? Think about it.

Management teams don’t rebuild in New York because they think they will lose their fan base, and big market teams will always spend the money to try and keep the fans in the seats. It isn't just Dolan, and you don't only see that in Basketball.

Now, they may be unwilling to rebuild because they are unwilling to take the loss in revenue that accompanies that rebuild. OK, but then it still holds true that you can’t rebuild in New York because Dolan is unwilling to take that hit. Maybe he is wrong, maybe the Garden faithful would stick with him and Channing Frye, hands folded patiently while the team builds.

I used to think he was. I don’t anymore.

Posted by sebstar:

Posted by Bippity10:

Was Channing Frye traded because the fans gave up on him or because Isiah gave up on him? I personally don't remember being involved in the trade discussions. This notion that you can't rebuild in NY is a lie put forth by management teams that are unwilling to rebuild in NY.

Ridiculous. Yeah, when all else fails, just send a baseless shot at Isiah.

I guess you think incessant vitriol directed at you as a player and a man is conducive to the development of a young player. Just using this website as a sample, horrible things were said about Frye and the guys at this site are generally mild mannered.

NY is a mean, demanding city. The idea that young, high profile players can wilt under the heat of the big lights and intense pressure is not some lame ass theory drummed up by Isiah in order to deflect criticism. Its been proven time and time again in every league for decades.

Players just have more latitude to develop (ups and downs included) in other cities under the watch of more forgiving management, fan base, and sport writing medium.

Actually this was not a shot at Isiah. But I guess your knee jerk reaction to anything that could possibly be considered negative is understandable considering your history.

This was actually a criticism(not a baseless shot, a criticism. I'm pretty sure criticism's based on opinion are allowed on message boards) of Dolan, Layden and Isiah and all the other people in management that have spent 7 seasons since Patrick refusing to completely rebuild and doing things half asse, and then blaming the fans for this. They want to fill the seats so that you will keep paying. That is the only thing that keeps them from rebuilding. The fear that you won't go to the games. Not the booing, or the criticism, but the fear that you won't go.

On a side note, What in the world does trading Frye to Portland have to do with the fans impatience with the team?

Posted by Bippity10:

The Layden years were the most boring, hopeless years in the history of our franchise and yet we somehow remained afloat in terms of money.

Going, precisely, to the point Bippity. Throughout most of those boring Layden years the sell-out streak continued because we were still making the playoffs on the backs of decaying veterans. Most of the attendees at the game didn't care that the quality of ball was sub-par or that the team had no future, we were winning (sort of).

It wasn't until Layden's last full year after the 30 win season that the sell-out streak ended, the atmosphere at the Garden changed perceptibly, and Dolan felt the team needed to make some moves to bring the excitement back.