Posted by McK1:

Posted by Ira:

I'd say that Zach is the best player, because he rebounds well as well as scores. But I'd say that Curry is the best offensive player. He not only soored 20 a game last season, but his fg % was one of the highest in the league - .576 compared to .467 for Zach.

I'd say cause he rebounds and scores that makes him a better big than Curry. still don't see anyone on this team with the ability to dominate a game like Steph can. Marbury, even with his frustrating inconstency at it, is still the top playmaker on this team. Zach/Eddy have to learn to beat defenses with the pass b/4 being anyone's best player.

Marbury can not dominate every night like Zach or Curry. Marbury would be lucky to dominate for 30 games without making a trip to the hospital.

Also how is Marbury the top playmaker on this team when he does not even know how to feed the post, run the break, or throw a out of bounce pass. Jamal is a better playmaker than Marbury.

Posted by COSSUCKS:

The funny thing about Marbury as our PG is he only had 1 single 10 assist game last year. Thats pretty amazing for a PG.
Can you imagine how bad people would cream Curry if he only had 1 single 10 rebound game for a season?

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

The funny thing about Marbury as our PG is he only had 1 single 10 assist game last year. Thats pretty amazing for a PG.
Can you imagine how bad people would cream Curry if he only had 1 single 10 rebound game for a season?

Isiah's system wasn't designed for Steph to have as many "direct pass that leads to a score" opportunities. I'm not really that concerned with Steph's assists.

That may be so but our SG had 3 times as many double digit assists games as our PG despite playing fewer games so it cant be all about a system.Even Mardy had a double digit assist game and Malik Rose had a 9 assist game.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by BigC:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Ira:

I'd say that Zach is the best player, because he rebounds well as well as scores. But I'd say that Curry is the best offensive player. He not only soored 20 a game last season, but his fg % was one of the highest in the league - .576 compared to .467 for Zach.

I'd say cause he rebounds and scores that makes him a better big than Curry. still don't see anyone on this team with the ability to dominate a game like Steph can. Marbury, even with his frustrating inconstency at it, is still the top playmaker on this team. Zach/Eddy have to learn to beat defenses with the pass b/4 being anyone's best player.

Marbury can not dominate every night like Zach or Curry. Marbury would be lucky to dominate for 30 games without making a trip to the hospital.

Also how is Marbury the top playmaker on this team when he does not even know how to feed the post, run the break, or throw a out of bounce pass. Jamal is a better playmaker than Marbury.

if Marbury is allowed to shoot like in the past he is a more efficient point creator than anyone on this team. Problem with Steph is he has no ice in his veins. qtrs 1-3 thru-out his career offensively not many have been better at the 1. come the 4th he flakes more times than he shows a steel will.

As for him being able to still score, didn't late last season he go on a tear (with one less ball hog out injured).

And Jamal's passing ability is highlight reel worthy, so is Antoine Walker's...would still want neither running my offense.

You said in your original post that no one on this team can dominate like Marbury which is not true. Do you really believe Marbury can dominate every night in a 82 games season? Marbury had difficulty doing that in a 20 game strench last year. Zach did not. Curry can do that every night. Marbury can not. Unless he can drop 20 and 8 from a hospital bed. He'll go 22 games then he will be injuried. YOu can not say that about Zach.

As far as passing, he is one of the few point guards that players still have to create their own shot after he gives them a pass. Yet you think his passing is better than Jamal. YOu really think Isiah is the one that stopped Marbury from feeding the post? What's the point of having a pg if he can't setup the players on his own team the ball where they want it?

And Marbury has been playing organized ball since he was 5. This is the same guy who shy's away from the ball the last minute in games. Zach not only wants the ball in clutch situation but he is also able to hit his regular shots, and foul line shots in the clutch.

If he was that dominate Curry and Zach would not be the number one option. Marbury would.


[Edited by - BigC on 08-13-2007 9:06 PM]

Posted by BigC:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BigC:

You said in your original post that no one on this team can dominate like Marbury which is not true. Do you really believe Marbury can dominate every night in a 82 games season? Marbury had difficulty doing that in a 20 game strench last year. Zach did not. Curry can do that every night. Marbury can not. Unless he can drop 20 and 8 from a hospital bed. He'll go 22 games then he will be injuried. YOu can not say that about Zach.

As far as passing, he is one of the few point guards that players still have to create their own shot after he gives them a pass. Yet you think his passing is better than Jamal. YOu really think Isiah is the one that stopped Marbury from feeding the post? What's the point of having a pg if he can't setup the players on his own team the ball where they want it?

And Marbury has been playing organized ball since he was 5. This is the same guy who shy's away from the ball the last minute in games. Zach not only wants the ball in clutch situation but he is also able to hit his regular shots, and foul line shots in the clutch.

If he was that dominate Curry and Zach would not be the number one option. Marbury would.

marbury's been doing it for 10 years straight until he was asked/forced to change.

big c, curry's done it for 1 season and you are ready to put all your eggs in the eddy basket?

and marbury doesn't make the flashy pass but he does settle the team down in the backcourt. and this is coming from one of his biggest critics. i don't think he's a good point guard in terms of making his teammates better, but he's not a turnover machine. we don't have anybody else that can even come close in that department...and for all of crawford's alleyoops to curry, he's nowhere close to being a point guard.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08-13-2007 9:12 PM]

I don't think Marbury is capable of doing that every night without getting injuried. What Marbury did two years ago is different from him accomplishing that every night now. Yes, he can do that a few games straight but not every night. I noticed that you left out that really compared Zach to Marbury. NO Marbury does not turn the ball over that much because he only passes really to players that are within a 5 feet of his radius. This why a pg like Kidd and Nash are going to have more turnovers because they run and push the rock and get players involved. Marbury is going to have low turnovers because he does not do those things. He does the obvious pass. If it is a cross court pass he is not going to do it. IF it is a break he mostly be the one finishing.

As far as Jamal it is not about oops. Watch he he feeds the cutters. How he pass from above the key. What is Jamal lacking as far as point guard skills for this team?

i didn't disagree with your zach assessment, that's why i didn't mention him. but curry? in 12 months, curry won't be a knick but that's just one man's opinion.

this team needs a point guard that can control everything. there's alot more to it than you talked about. look at how deron controls his team, how tj ford does it...even calderon, etc. i don't think jamal has that ability at that level. he can handle the ball and make a pass or two, but since we don't have a franchise player, jamal doesn't cut it there. you're talking about for THIS team...sure you can put jamal at the point - don't expect any big wins or anything tho. i'm talking about long term for this team. and the team is aware of it b/c they are looking for a successor to marbury (even with jamal already on the roster).