Posted by Bippity10:

Jesse: I once talked back to my highschool coach. My father never even asked my coach or me what happened. He just heard that I talked back. He immediately punished me, emptied my room of all unessentials(left me a mattress, blanket, pillow and my school books) and made me earn all of them back. I hated my father with a passion that day, but I learned a lesson. I learned a lesson of respect.

In the recent past I gave a speech to my players about how I would not tolerate any drinking or drug use and that it would be cause for instant dismissal from the team. That afternoon a kid on my team got caught on school grounds with a joint and some beer. Why did he get caught? Because he was beating someone up and after the fight that kid told on him. I immediately kicked him off the team and notified the parents(left a message). The kid was told the ejection was not permanent and that if he could show me he was responsible over the course of the next year I would allow him to TRY OUT for next year's team. The parents never showed up to discuss this. I actually went to their house to discuss it. Father was not around and the mother said she didn't care what I do with that "stupid basketball". I did hear from other parents who were angry that I had kicked the kid off the team. I then heard from the AD that he thought it would be a good idea to give him a second shot. I said no, but was informed that it didn't matter what I thought, the kid should get another shot. They forced me to take him back. NOt only did he continue to do drugs and drink on school grounds, but he had a support system now enabling his drug use and disrespected me on a daily basis. He disrupted practice after practice and loved the fact tha tI was forced to take him back. I refused to let him play no matter how much pressure I had. People accused me of hating him for no reason, when the reality was, I was the only person that actually cared about the kid and wanted to help him instead of enabling him. A year later he was in Juvi. It's tough when noone cares about you.



[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-08-2007 11:27 AM]

Posted by jazz74:

Posted by Bippity10:

Jesse: I once talked back to my highschool coach. My father never even asked my coach or me what happened. He just heard that I talked back. He immediately punished me, emptied my room of all unessentials(left me a mattress, blanket, pillow and my school books) and made me earn all of them back. I hated my father with a passion that day, but I learned a lesson. I learned a lesson of respect.

In the recent past I gave a speech to my players about how I would not tolerate any drinking or drug use and that it would be cause for instant dismissal from the team. That afternoon a kid on my team got caught on school grounds with a joint and some beer. Why did he get caught? Because he was beating someone up and after the fight that kid told on him. I immediately kicked him off the team and notified the parents(left a message). The kid was told the ejection was not permanent and that if he could show me he was responsible over the course of the next year I would allow him to TRY OUT for next year's team. The parents never showed up to discuss this. I actually went to their house to discuss it. Father was not around and the mother said she didn't care what I do with that "stupid basketball". I did hear from other parents who were angry that I had kicked the kid off the team. I then heard from the AD that he thought it would be a good idea to give him a second shot. I said no, but was informed that it didn't matter what I thought, the kid should get another shot. They forced me to take him back. NOt only did he continue to do drugs and drink on school grounds, but he had a support system now enabling his drug use and disrespected me on a daily basis. He disrupted practice after practice and loved the fact tha tI was forced to take him back. I refused to let him play no matter how much pressure I had. People accused me of hating him for no reason, when the reality was, I was the only person that actually cared about the kid and wanted to help him instead of enabling him. A year later he was in Juvi. It's tough when noone cares about you.



[Edited by - bippity10 on 07-08-2007 11:27 AM]

that is an excellent example. i am a school teacher and i see the same thing, not being held accountable for your own actions. there was a time that whatever the teacher said what has happened goes and the parents do not question it. now, parents would blame the teacher for everything. i had parents trying to negotiate their child's grades or their lunch detention punishments. that is ridiculous. that is why there are some parnets who don't like me because once i had tenure, i did not budge from any decision. so i always had the "bad kids" in my class with parents who are partly or not involved at all. however, i am reaching most of them as i explain every consequence to them to let them know it is fair. we can't say the old saying " do it because i said so". kids are much smarter than that and need to understand why they can and can't do certain things. i can understand why parents are guarded. i had bad experiences with some teachers who did not like me or suspected racists. so probably they did too. but it doesn't help to give your kids excuses for doing the wrong thing and letting them go for it.

I used to think that all you teachers were babies until I started coaching. Now I have a better idea what you are talking about. The toughest part is the lack of support system for those teachers and coaches that are trying to do the right thing.

This is the saddest part of all. I coached at my high school. My highschool was a very poor school. I wanted to be there. I wanted to coach there forever. But there was so much pressure against discipline that it was impossible to control the players. I would take 20 guys on my roster to start the season because I know 10 would fail off, quit or just disappear. No parents were involved. It was so sad. We would play some of these fairfield county schools and each kid would have 2 parents in the crowd rooting the team on. For whatever reasons(jobs, apathy) my crowd would have a very small group of parents at every game. Not surprisingly the kids with two parents in the crowd on a regular basis, normally were doing best in school. They were also normally the most respectful. The parents were also the ones that supported everything I did. The rest just didn't seem to care. Hard to blame the kids for not caring. After a while it became so sad dealing with the adults that I had to leave. My example was my final straw. I had to leave. Not because of the kids, but because of the adults that refused to teach these kids how to be adults.

Posted by EnySpree:

East ny, brownsville, bushwich, williamsberg, used to be just as bad as newerk is now. Now they're trendy neighborhoods. Within the last 2 years there have been so many new homes and apartment buildings that have been vacant lots for 30-40 years!!! A lot of landlords are gutting apartments that have been run down since the 70s and putting **** like marble floors and wood floors to attract or business and deeper pockets.

What I'm getting at is nobody cares. Let the people there kill themselves cuz as soon as the property is low enough it will be prime time to come in and buy everything out.

Where do these people go? To newerk! Lol. Its true. They go to places like conneticut, and northern virgina, Georgia, the Carolinas, etc. People are moving cuz they can't afford it. Even in places where it was once called the murda capital of nyc, being east ny.

To me its deeper than just broken families. This a system that has been in place for a long time. That's why police don't come when you call. How else do you explain how drug dealers can sell drugs for decades on the same block. Yeah the dealers have changed but they keep sprouting right back up. They know where these people live. They know their whole operation. Everyone knows the operation cuz they been living with it forever. People complain but it still goes on.

There was a time when I was staying with my girl and we were sick of watching people sell drugs and doing all kinda of stuff in our face. We called the cops and told them everygthing that was going down in our building from descriptions to names to where they lived. We have our names and telephone numbers too. We never heard about it again. We were a little afraid of the cops leaking that it was us giving info. Nobody came! Those mofos have been doing the same **** for decades. A friend of mines father went to jail for 10 years for selling drugs in the same building in the 80s. What the heck is going on? All it takes is a cop to stand in front of the building or to actually walk the beat. That's all. It starts at home but something still can be done to ensure stupid things don't happen.

Like those kids that got executed. There are high risk areas. Those kids probably shouldn't have been there but there should have police presence in places like that. Not an army just one or 2 cops walkin the beat. You only see beat cops hanging out in tourist areas.

You know cops spend a lot of time selling drugs and do crimes themselves to set up people and arrest them when all they have to do is patrol the spots that have been notorious for crime for generations.

You know, nobody respects cops. The people don't respect themselves and they don't respect each other.

Change needs to come. People know what's going on. Nobody cares. Then people wanna talk about economy and business and people nerd to go to school or something else like that. How can we be so out of touch with life around us?

How can we be occupying Iraq while there are terrorist occupying newerk? How dare bush give us military aide to countries that harbor terrorists? How dare the military have a commercial saying they were there for the sunami victims when the people in new Orleans were left to die for 5 days and still to this day the place looks like a bomb was dropped on it. Explain why military popped up with guns drawn shooting and killing mofos when they dropped food and supplies almost imediately on the sunami victims. Explain why us military train Iraq militia groups when those mofos go on to help train the enemy. That's why those mofos in tank tops and flip flops out there are kicking our ass. Why aren't there more goverment training here in the states? Why do the troops come back with nothing?

This country is good cuz I can post opinions about society on a knicks fan website on my phone while I operate a train that transports people miles and miles as they go from their spa appointment to their hair stylist. There is still something totally wrong with this country.

God bless the child who's got his own. God bless those that have a concious mind enough to use their own to make a difference.

Posted by izybx:

Posted by EnySpree:

East ny, brownsville, bushwich, williamsberg, used to be just as bad as newerk is now. Now they're trendy neighborhoods. Within the last 2 years there have been so many new homes and apartment buildings that have been vacant lots for 30-40 years!!! A lot of landlords are gutting apartments that have been run down since the 70s and putting **** like marble floors and wood floors to attract or business and deeper pockets.

What I'm getting at is nobody cares. Let the people there kill themselves cuz as soon as the property is low enough it will be prime time to come in and buy everything out.

Where do these people go? To newerk! Lol. Its true. They go to places like conneticut, and northern virgina, Georgia, the Carolinas, etc. People are moving cuz they can't afford it. Even in places where it was once called the murda capital of nyc, being east ny.

To me its deeper than just broken families. This a system that has been in place for a long time. That's why police don't come when you call. How else do you explain how drug dealers can sell drugs for decades on the same block. Yeah the dealers have changed but they keep sprouting right back up. They know where these people live. They know their whole operation. Everyone knows the operation cuz they been living with it forever. People complain but it still goes on.

There was a time when I was staying with my girl and we were sick of watching people sell drugs and doing all kinda of stuff in our face. We called the cops and told them everygthing that was going down in our building from descriptions to names to where they lived. We have our names and telephone numbers too. We never heard about it again. We were a little afraid of the cops leaking that it was us giving info. Nobody came! Those mofos have been doing the same **** for decades. A friend of mines father went to jail for 10 years for selling drugs in the same building in the 80s. What the heck is going on? All it takes is a cop to stand in front of the building or to actually walk the beat. That's all. It starts at home but something still can be done to ensure stupid things don't happen.

Like those kids that got executed. There are high risk areas. Those kids probably shouldn't have been there but there should have police presence in places like that. Not an army just one or 2 cops walkin the beat. You only see beat cops hanging out in tourist areas.

You know cops spend a lot of time selling drugs and do crimes themselves to set up people and arrest them when all they have to do is patrol the spots that have been notorious for crime for generations.

You know, nobody respects cops. The people don't respect themselves and they don't respect each other.

Change needs to come. People know what's going on. Nobody cares. Then people wanna talk about economy and business and people nerd to go to school or something else like that. How can we be so out of touch with life around us?

How can we be occupying Iraq while there are terrorist occupying newerk? How dare bush give us military aide to countries that harbor terrorists? How dare the military have a commercial saying they were there for the sunami victims when the people in new Orleans were left to die for 5 days and still to this day the place looks like a bomb was dropped on it. Explain why military popped up with guns drawn shooting and killing mofos when they dropped food and supplies almost imediately on the sunami victims. Explain why us military train Iraq militia groups when those mofos go on to help train the enemy. That's why those mofos in tank tops and flip flops out there are kicking our ass. Why aren't there more goverment training here in the states? Why do the troops come back with nothing?

This country is good cuz I can post opinions about society on a knicks fan website on my phone while I operate a train that transports people miles and miles as they go from their spa appointment to their hair stylist. There is still something totally wrong with this country.

God bless the child who's got his own. God bless those that have a concious mind enough to use their own to make a difference.

I know East new york is bad, thats why they have operation impact in brownsville. I know there are cops there cause i have friends who work footposts there, walking alone late at night. I personally work in a footpost in the south bronx. Were out there 9 hours a day everyday. If you want more cops than perhaps you should lobby bloomberg to raise the salary to something where people can afford to live on. I always find it amusing when someone yells at me that they called the cops an hour ago, when I just came from two jobs back to back and central is still holding. You want better service? Then we need more cops, cause right now there isnt enough to go around. And if you want to really do something about drugs, go to PSA-2 and tell them you want make buys from them. Because unfortunately, you are not allowed to search for drugs. So when you get a call (10-10 drugs sales) you cant do anything. You can only observe (or you can talk to them and see if you can find a reason to search, but thats another story) So when you say that you called the cops and they didnt do anything, you dont understand the dynamics of police work.

Any cop would LOVE to get a felony drug collar. So please dont act as if crime is our fault. Its the people who live there who destroy their own neighborhoods fault. Its the governments fault for not giving the police the resources we need. And its the averages persons fault for not wanting to do a thing about it. But i dont know about you, but im out there 45 hours a week grinding in south bronx housing, and i dont need to "sell drugs" and "set people up" to get activity, and neither does any other cop that ive EVER met. Let me ask you, what are you doing about it?

[Edited by - izybx on 07-08-2007 3:24 PM]

A lot of people don't like our ex-mayor but under him, the economy was revitalized and the murder rate dropped. IMO since the new regime first started making a play for power a few years back, the city took a turn for the worse.

Posted by jazz74:

Posted by Killa4luv:

[quote]Posted by jazz74:

yeah, philly is crazy too. a fifteen year old kid was shot because he wouldn't get out of the street fast enough when the killer's car was riding through. that is nuts buit it is a cycle that has always been around especially during a time with economic recession or imbalance. though the economy is not as bad as a few years ago it is still far from prospering like in the 90's. the 80's had their share of problems with the yusef hawkins and the central park "wilding" incedent. sometimes i think we will never learn.

Just for clarity the central park Wilding incident was a case of some black and latino kids being framed up. The real rapist confessed, about 15 years later, his DNA matched, there was never ANY physical evidence connected those boys to that rape, they were guilty of being poor black and in the wrong place at the wrong time. Those were my childhood friends., I knew most of them very very well.