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do you think isiah is a good head coach? why or why not?
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8/6/2007  10:02 AM
The guy gets way to much of the benefit of the doubt, and really what did he do that was all that special last years. Seriously? Anyone who voted yes please explain. Did Orlando have better talent than us, more depth. Philly?

1. We got blown out before every major holiday when the players had time off.

2. We didn't come ready to play for about half our games and had to make huge comeback to get in the game and we fell short.

3. He started Steve Francis, Jared Jefferies, and Jerome James.

4. David Lee was the best player on the team last year and should have played more minutes than any knicks, and balkman was unfairly yanked out of most games in favor of jefferies who brought nothing to the table.....

5. Gave Crawford the green light resulting in the offense not being ran, transistion opps for the other team...

6. He killed Frye by using him as a decoy and not using him more at the center position backing up eddy and didn't give him a role...

7. Misuse of timeouts at the end of games, didn't use fouls to give in crucial game, Detriot, Utah etc. (you can give him credit for his play call vs the bobcats but it really what else was going to be called than an opp with .2 seconds left)

8. End of game play calls, crawford launching from the top of the key.

9. We couldn't take care of the ball, we couldn't make an entry pass, we couldn't defend, really where was the coaching that you guys think is good?

You can say we were injured but the knicks had a lot of luck playing teams when they were without, kobe, wade, shaq, joe johnson, rashard lewis, allen iverson, etc.
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8/6/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I think the only thing Isiah is really good at is playing basketball.

How old is he now, 45, 46? I think he can give us 10 minutes or so. He dropped 25 on a broken friggin' ankle - I'm sure a little thing like AGE couldn't stop him.

As far as his coaching - he's of the Phil Jackson mode but more in the lines of motivation and getting guys to play hard. I think his biggest weakness is X's and O's. He does tend to run too many ISOs and his offensive/defensive schemes seem to be a bit too predictable.

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8/6/2007  10:29 AM
djsun was dismissive of Isiah's team building efforts last year, derisively referring to them as "Ice cream after practice". But I don’t think it can be overstated that those efforts worked. In the area of building a camaraderie and chemistry with teammates, it would not be possible to do a worse job than Brown did two seasons ago and Thomas had some major repairs to make. He did it, evidenced by the team staying together during tumultuous events that the year before sent the team into a tailspin. Compare and contrast the team’s efforts after the brawl against Denver to the team falling apart after Antonio Davis’ foray into the stands.

Isiah’s rotations were frustrating at times last season, primarily because he had a tendency to stick too long with something that wasn’t working. Jared Jeffries is a good example. He got a lot of time last season to try and get it together when there were other players who would have been more productive with the PT. But given two extremes, I will take the coach who shows too much faith in his players than the coach who shows none, I’ll take that every time.

And Isiah’s tendency to play favorites didn’t interfere with the coaching. Isiah wasn’t afraid to court controversy with Marbury when he benched him when he wasn’t performing at the start of the season, and the benching got results. Marbury played the best team ball of his career last season.

One can criticize Isiah for giving Crawford the green light, but over the course of the season his shot selection did improve, evidenced by the 42% shooting and the increase in free-throw attempts in January and February. For maybe the first time in his career he was seeing an increase in his statistics at the same time that his team was starting to win.

I would agree that Isiah did a poor job of preparing the team for the competition. We started games with big deficits because our starters weren’t ready to go up against the other team’s primary weapons. And too often last year we would have a let-down against a team we should have beaten after a quality win the night before. That’s on the coach, and its something that has to be improved if we are going to be a factor next year.

But on balance, I think Isiah did a good job last year. He probably isn’t a top ten coach in this league, but I can’t imagine a better coach for this group. Multiply that tenfold if we get Artest. My own personal hope is that Isiah builds up this team’s core and system over the next year or so, and then goes back to the front office after handing the reigns to Rick Carlisle. We’ll see how that goes.
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8/6/2007  10:35 AM
Coaches you would rather have from

1. Both Van Gundy's
2. Pop
3. Sloan
4. Skiles
5. Riley
6. Frank
7. Jackson
8. Mike Brown
9. Avery Johnson
10. Byron Scott
11. Eddie Jordan
12. Mo Cheeks
13. Mike D
14. George Karl
15. Nate MC
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8/6/2007  10:42 AM
10. Byron Scott
11. Eddie Jordan
12. Mo Cheeks
15. Nate MC

Really? Not clear on that
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8/6/2007  10:43 AM
Isiah isn't a very experienced coach, so he's still got a lot to learn. I do, however, think that he has a very important natural ability to get guys to buy in and to foster team unity. The team got better and you could see that they were a united group. They remained united after the brawl and during the injuries. The team very rarely gave up on games and they played hard to the end. We haven't seen that from this team in a while and it's basically the same guys from the year before where they would just give up.

They didn't always make the right playe and didn't always win, but you could see they fought to get back into games and took some games to the last second or to OT and played well. The team seemed to take on Isiah's personality and tenaciousness.

One other thing that I saw was guys like Balkman and Mardy improved and I feel Isiah and his staff worked hard with them to get them up to speed with the NBA game. He got thru to Steph and had him defending well.

Isiah made a lot of mistakes and the team didn't get everything right, but they were making gradual progress and I think they we're going in the right direction.

I agree that he didn't do a great job with Frye, but a lot of the problem was in Frye's head. Even if you aren't having the impact you want offensively there's still other things you can do. How many times did Frye hesistate on a wide open shot? His teammates didn't trust him and they were the ones who refused to pass him the ball in the post. He had a hard time establishing a solid position and that makes a guard nervous.
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8/6/2007  12:05 PM
I think he's an above average coach. He's a good motivator. He's good at building that us vs. them mentality. He does an okay job. You can definitely do worse than him as a coach.
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8/6/2007  12:11 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think he's an above average coach. He's a good motivator. He's good at building that us vs. them mentality. He does an okay job. You can definitely do worse than him as a coach.

isiah seems to have this knack of polarizing. like you said, he uses the us vs. them mentality. that's been the case throughout his career. i think there's no coincidence that since isiah has become the face of the franchise, the polarization of the fan base has been at an all time high. the creation of that atmosphere on the team has had an effect on the fanbase...and the reason it hasn't galvanized it is b/c the team isn't winning.

this is not that different from riley's *art of war* philosphy. but riley, although also adapted and us vs. them philosophy, did it in a more "leaderly" manner and not in a "deceptive" sort of way that isiah is utilizing.
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8/6/2007  12:14 PM
He knows basketball, but I don't particularly like how he tries to become the players friend. That's b/c, however, I don't think it's generally a good idea for any higher authority to become friends with their employees, as hard as it might be to avoid at times.

He needs to hold himself and his players accountable more.

I think he's OK though. I can't really knock his coaching. Just his GMing.
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8/6/2007  12:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think he's an above average coach. He's a good motivator. He's good at building that us vs. them mentality. He does an okay job. You can definitely do worse than him as a coach.

isiah seems to have this knack of polarizing. like you said, he uses the us vs. them mentality. that's been the case throughout his career. i think there's no coincidence that since isiah has become the face of the franchise, the polarization of the fan base has been at an all time high. the creation of that atmosphere on the team has had an effect on the fanbase...and the reason it hasn't galvanized it is b/c the team isn't winning.

this is not that different from riley's *art of war* philosphy. but riley, although also adapted and us vs. them philosophy, did it in a more "leaderly" manner and not in a "deceptive" sort of way that isiah is utilizing.

I think Isiah's GMing has an effect on his coaching. That has a large effect on the polarization as well. But if I focused simply on his coaching, and pretended for a second that someone else is Gming I don't see the fans reacting to him the same way.
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8/6/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
this is not that different from riley's *art of war* philosphy. but riley, although also adapted and us vs. them philosophy, did it in a more "leaderly" manner and not in a "deceptive" sort of way that isiah is utilizing.

Hmmm, care to elaborate DJ?

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8/6/2007  2:17 PM
I think the players respect him & want to play hard for him for the most part, so all in all I'd say he's a good head coach... only problem is Isiah the GM has brought in so many players that don't play consistent defense that Isiah the coach is having a hard time winning games.
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8/6/2007  2:22 PM
Bottom line, I'm glad he has to coach him so he can see what deficiencies the roster he has compiled has and can fix it -- or not. But at least no GM vs. Coach friction.
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Posted by Panos:

Bottom line, I'm glad he has to coach him so he can see what deficiencies the roster he has compiled has and can fix it -- or not. But at least no GM vs. Coach friction.

I agree with you there. The shift in the type of playres Isiah has targeted(defense) has magically changed since he became head coach. Now if he can only stop himself from overspending we'd be in good shape.
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8/6/2007  3:58 PM
Coach Isiah is one part John Lucas, One part Oprah, one part Diddy, One part Walter Payton, and one part Coach Knight.

With no real winning (Coaching) resume.

He means well, good mentor type, sensitive, good dresser, talks kina funny, and is old school.
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I voted don't know. I think he is very good on the motivational side becasue he is able to work with headcases like our lot. Facts are facts and he can get people to buy in to the team concept. I am not very sure about his play calling and rotations on the floor because I didn't watch a lot of the games last season so can't really comment.

I have no major issues with Isiah the coach, we could definitely get better than him like the Vangundys, Riley, Nelson or Jackson but he is still an OK coach as far as I can tell. Its Isiah the GM that I flat out hate, but lets not get started on that again.
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8/6/2007  5:34 PM
Oprah?

Walter Payton?

Diddy?

say what?

nalod - do you think Isiah picked up anything from Chuck Daly, Mary Thomas, Scotty Robertson or Richie Adubato?

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2007 5:44 PM]
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Posted by misterearl:

Oprah?

Walter Payton?

Diddy?

say what?

nalod - do you think Isiah picked up anything from Chuck Daly, Mary Thomas, Scotty Robertson or Richie Adubato?

[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2007 5:44 PM]

As a GM? No.
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8/6/2007  7:24 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by djsunyc:
this is not that different from riley's *art of war* philosphy. but riley, although also adapted and us vs. them philosophy, did it in a more "leaderly" manner and not in a "deceptive" sort of way that isiah is utilizing.

Hmmm, care to elaborate DJ?

alot of excuses were used last season after poor performances. don't really remember riley, van gundy, or even chaney doing that.

but the *deceptive* comment has to do more with isiah the gm and not the coach.

i think isiah is an OK coach at best. this team did not overachieve last season so i can't say he's a great motivator. he seems to have a good repoire with his players and that's an important start (but so did chaney and everybody wanted to run him out of town). and that relationship, combined with the hate they had for lb the season before, (not to mention all those visits by dolan) was enough for them not to totally collapse last season during some trying times.

but i really have no idea how he's going to coach this season and how the team will respond to him. should curry have played 30+ mins last season while not doing anything on the other end of the court? should he have been rewarded for that? should that be commended as good coaching? but on the flip side, he was the first coach to *break* marbury but not having anybody else for steph to complain to kind of left steph with no other options but to listen.

maybe the *ice cream* method was a necessary first step...and isiah did say he spoke to chuck daly about being more stern so we'll see how it plays out.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 08-06-2007 8:55 PM]
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8/6/2007  8:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by djsunyc:
this is not that different from riley's *art of war* philosphy. but riley, although also adapted and us vs. them philosophy, did it in a more "leaderly" manner and not in a "deceptive" sort of way that isiah is utilizing.

Hmmm, care to elaborate DJ?

alot of excuses were used last season after poor performances. don't really remember riley, van gundy, or even chaney doing that.

but the *deceptive* comment has to do more with isiah the gm and not the coach.

i think isiah is an OK coach at best. this team did not overachieve last season so i can't say he's a great motivator. he seems to have a good repoire with his players and that's an important start (but so did chaney and everybody wanted to run him out of town). and that relationship, combined with the hate they had for lb the season before, (not to mention all those visits by dolan) was enough for them not to totally collapse last season during some trying times.

but i really have no idea how he's going to coach this season and how the team will respond to him. should curry have played 30+ mins last season while not doing anything on the other end of the court? should he have been rewarded for that? should that be commended as good coaching? but on the flip side, he was the first coach to *break* marbury but not having anybody else for steph to complain to kind of left him with steph with no other options but to listen.

maybe the *ice cream* method was a necessary first step...and isiah did say he spoke to chuck daly about being more stern so we'll see how it plays out.

What have you got against Ice Cream?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 08-06-2007 20:12]
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