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How do we move from 33 wins, to serious contender in the East?
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Panos
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8/5/2007  9:22 PM
tripled? from 0.3 to 0.8? impressive. That doesn't even count for more than statistical noise. 0.8 assists per game? Are you really bringing that up as
an argument? A difference of 0.5 assists is 1 point in a game -- again with a
10 min increase in playing time.

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8/5/2007  9:25 PM
It was an increase. My point is I expect him to increase his production more in the future. You are trying to imply he can never increase his production. So will you firmly go on record that Curry will never rebound more than 7 reb a game or score more than 19.5 a game or get more blocks or assists per game than he already has?

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 08-05-2007 9:26 PM]
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8/5/2007  9:28 PM
Going into his, what, 7th season?


Yea I'd feel confident betting 100 bucks that Curry will never average more than 7 rebounds or 1 assist.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/5/2007  9:39 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Going into his, what, 7th season?


Yea I'd feel confident betting 100 bucks that Curry will never average more than 7 rebounds or 1 assist.

Cool you have a bet. If Curry ever averages 7.1 rebound or 1.1 assists per game in any season until he retires you owe me $100. Dont forget. I wont.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 08-05-2007 9:40 PM]
Panos
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8/5/2007  10:05 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by bobs3304:

Going into his, what, 7th season?


Yea I'd feel confident betting 100 bucks that Curry will never average more than 7 rebounds or 1 assist.


Cool you have a bet. If Curry ever averages 7.1 rebound or 1.1 assists per game in any season until he retires you owe me $100. Dont forget. I wont.

[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 08-05-2007 9:40 PM]

Would that make you happy as a fan? 7.1 RPG? Congratulations.
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8/5/2007  10:12 PM
I want more than that but I'm not going to close my mind to the thought of any production improvement like people here are doing today just like people did last off season.

I said I thought it was possible 20-9 would be coming sometime soon. I dont think NBA players often peak at 24. I said that at 23 as well. Steve Nash didnt become todays Steve Nash until he was like 30 or 31. At age 29 if somebody told you Nash would average 11apg you would have said thats crazy because he never averaged more than 7 or 8 previously
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8/5/2007  10:15 PM
I think Curry was just beginning to realize his potential last year. I think he got a taste of what he can do and if he has indeed gained a new respect for preparation this summer, there's a good chance he will imporove again this year. He's aware of his weaknesses and the coaches have promised to help him work on those weaknesses. With him I feel it's all in his mental approach. If he comes into camp in great shape and is committed to being a better all around player he has the physical gifts to get it done.

With regards to making this team a serious contender, i'd say that Artest get's us part of the way there, but not a lock. This is not a win now team. Our core is young enough for us to have a window of 5 or more years. So we don't have any real pressure IMO to take a risk with Artest.

The only move I feel confident would get us to the top is adding Kobe. If you really want to insure contender status you go hard after Kobe, short of that, you either go for Artest and see where that takes you or you stand pat and see what develops with the team we have over time. Your not gonna rebuild this team at this point.
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8/5/2007  10:21 PM
I wasn't betting you, it's an expression.


I meant in the rhetorical sense.


I wouldn't bet one of my friends a hundred dollars, let alone some guy on the internet.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08-05-2007 10:44 PM]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08-05-2007 10:56 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/5/2007  11:25 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This is how I'd do it:

Crawford + Curry + Lee + Jones (when possible) + Dickau (when possible) for Kobe

Balkman + Nate + Rose for Artest

Marbury
Kobe
Artest
Randolph
Morris

with Collins, Wrich, Chandler, Nichols and (even) James coming off the bench would be good enough for a title run, IMNSHO.

that's just crazy enough to work. You'd need a better center than Morris though.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/5/2007  11:37 PM
^ That's just crazy enough..........


It wouldn't work though.


Crawford + Curry + Lee?


I hope he's kidding, not a chance LA takes that salary.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/6/2007  12:29 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This is how I'd do it:

Crawford + Curry + Lee + Jones (when possible) + Dickau (when possible) for Kobe

Balkman + Nate + Rose for Artest

Marbury
Kobe
Artest
Randolph
Morris

with Collins, Wrich, Chandler, Nichols and (even) James coming off the bench would be good enough for a title run, IMNSHO.

that's just crazy enough to work. You'd need a better center than Morris though.

On paper, the trades actually look plausible but there is no way it happens.
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8/6/2007  12:31 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This is how I'd do it:

Crawford + Curry + Lee + Jones (when possible) + Dickau (when possible) for Kobe

Balkman + Nate + Rose for Artest

Marbury
Kobe
Artest
Randolph
Morris

with Collins, Wrich, Chandler, Nichols and (even) James coming off the bench would be good enough for a title run, IMNSHO.

Pretty good proposals. Still not sure if thats enough for Kobe (with Bynum, i'm not sure how much they would want Curry) but its still pretty good value.

What Boston gave up for Garnett, is probably what we would have to give up for Kobe and then some:

Young franchise player(Jefferson) /(Curry) I'm sure some will disagree
Expiring contract (Ratliff)/ (Jones, Dikau)
young budding talent (Green)/ (Lee)
more youth (Gomes)/ (Crawford) obviously not that young but can be a big PG and Phil likes big PG's..
Draft picks/ The Knicks would definitely have to add at least 2 first round picks.

On top of that, it'll also have to be pretty obvious that we are perhaps the only, or one of maybe 2 destinations for Kobe. All the stars really have to line up for this one.

For Kobe I'd give up TWO unprotected picks . I think the general framework, like you pointed out, is doable due to recent precedent. Throw in the fact that Crawford is the perfect PG for the triangle and Lee is a better prospect than Green and--voila!!!

As for Bynum with Curry, I agree. They probably don't ant both. But, the Lakers could always wait the necessary time and flip him for something else. Personally, I think Curry would look great next to Emeka Okafor.


Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This is how I'd do it:

Crawford + Curry + Lee + Jones (when possible) + Dickau (when possible) for Kobe

Balkman + Nate + Rose for Artest

Marbury
Kobe
Artest
Randolph
Morris

with Collins, Wrich, Chandler, Nichols and (even) James coming off the bench would be good enough for a title run, IMNSHO.

that's just crazy enough to work. You'd need a better center than Morris though.

Maybe the Knicks could trade Jeffries back to Washington or QRich for their choice of Etan Thomas or Brendan Haywood? I mean, before they kill each other...
Posted by bobs3304:

^ That's just crazy enough..........


It wouldn't work though.


Crawford + Curry + Lee?


I hope he's kidding, not a chance LA takes that salary.

If Kobe really wants out, eventually the Lakers are going to have to trade him. Considering he's only going to want to go to a big market (LA, Chi, NY) or to a contender (Cle, Phx, SA, Det, Dal), find me a better deal than that one. Chicago has more pieces, but they're all on rookie contracts... meaning they'd have to trade their entire team for Kobe. Maybe the Clippers could have traded something like Brand and Livingston for Kobe last year, but they don't have enough after his injury. Cleveland has no one outside of LBJ. Phoenix would have to break apart its team for Kobe... I think they're better off as is and that goes for San Antonio too. Maybe Detroit would trade Prince, Hamilton and Amir Johnson for Kobe, but I don't know. Dallas doesn't work because Josh Howard is a base-year compensation player.

So there you go. And Mr. Angry Pants, if the Lakers do trade Kobe, they're going to take back salary. I don't think they want to pitch a salary dump in LA, especially when they try to sell out there. Also, I don't believe there is another expiring contract in the league this year as large as Ratliff's.
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8/6/2007  12:32 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

This is how I'd do it:

Crawford + Curry + Lee + Jones (when possible) + Dickau (when possible) for Kobe

Balkman + Nate + Rose for Artest

Marbury
Kobe
Artest
Randolph
Morris

with Collins, Wrich, Chandler, Nichols and (even) James coming off the bench would be good enough for a title run, IMNSHO.

that's just crazy enough to work. You'd need a better center than Morris though.

On paper, the trades actually look plausible but there is no way it happens.

I was kind of thinking that myself. However, if it were possible to pull off either, I would love to see it happen.
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8/6/2007  12:56 AM
I'd love Kobe in NY, but it's not happening, just like Kg to NY's not happening.

Lee is good, but he's not as valuable as Jefferson was; tweener forwards who can't score or defend aren't worth much, no matter how much we love Lee.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/6/2007  1:07 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'd love Kobe in NY, but it's not happening, just like Kg to NY's not happening.

Lee is good, but he's not as valuable as Jefferson was; tweener forwards who can't score or defend aren't worth much, no matter how much we love Lee.

Fair enough. While I'm not arguing that Lee is even in the stratosphere as Big Al in terms of scoring (Big Al may be the best post players in the game today), I think Lee tends to get a little undervalued offensively. The Rookie/Sophomore game showed he can move without the basketball and get some easy points. I know pick-up is different than league play, but still... If an offense actually ran some plays for Lee, I think he'd get 14 PPG. But, yes, Jefferson is by far the better player.
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