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BRIGGS
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8/1/2007  2:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

cassell + spree + kg makes the WCF in 2003.

owner refuses to spend on spree + cassell in 2004.

since 2005:

mccants, foye, brewer, jefferson, green, telfair, gomes, smith and 2 #1 picks

with major cap room after next season (and their own picks)

not bad for a quick rebuild, no?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-30-2007 8:17 PM]

IMHO--Minnesota will win more games this year than last year. not a playoff contender but should be a much needed change for minnesota

if you look at that frontline core--those are some burly skilled young players with toughness a little small in height but powerful players.

c Jefferson 6-10 260
f Crig Smith 6-7 260
f Gomes 6-7 245
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8/1/2007  2:14 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

cassell + spree + kg makes the WCF in 2003.

owner refuses to spend on spree + cassell in 2004.

since 2005:

mccants, foye, brewer, jefferson, green, telfair, gomes, smith and 2 #1 picks

with major cap room after next season (and their own picks)

not bad for a quick rebuild, no?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-30-2007 8:17 PM]

IMHO--Minnesota will win more games this year than last year. not a playoff contender but should be a much needed change for minnesota

if you look at that frontline core--those are some burly skilled young players with toughness a little small in height but powerful players.

c Jefferson 6-10 260
f Crig Smith 6-7 260
f Gomes 6-7 245

They have far more depth now. It was a good trade for them. If McHale can draft wisely and make 1 or 2 smart FA signings, the Timberwolves might be a contender in 2-3 years. Of course, we are talking about McHale.
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8/1/2007  11:19 PM
Did McHale do pretty good rebuilding on the fly? Yes.
Is McHale perhaps the worst GM in sports? Yes.
He lost 2 picks for Joe Smith, and the best he could get around KG in 10 years was an aging Cassell and Spree.

He wasted 10 years of one of the most versatile big men the league has ever seen. He got them to the WCF once. He sucks as a GM lets be very clear about that, but he did do a pretty good job rebuilding on the fly.
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8/2/2007  6:44 AM
Again with the "rebuilding on-the-fly!"
You're NOT rebuilding on-the-fly when you're IN THE LOTTERY!
Only competitive teams rebuild on-the-fly, by definition!
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8/2/2007  1:37 PM
Well said, Panos. This isn't a rebuild on-the-fly, its a rebuild. And I wouldn't say a good one, as has been stated, because the timing was off by about a year. But these things do tend to happen late, and not when your degrading assets can really get you something. Our Knicks should have rebuilt after the '99 run.

As for the Haters vs. Lovers, everything has to come down to that, huh? Kam asks the head hater to put names to his straw-man arguments, but of course he can't, they are made of straw. KG added to Pierce and Allen makes the Celtics a lock for the ECF, barring injuries. Anyone who tells you different isn't a hater, or a lover, they are just an idiot.

And I'm sorry to get involved in this, but nothing, absolutely nothing issued from the twine mouths of Solace's straw men could possibly have been as funny, sorry, downright hilarious, as the haters all pooping all over themselves because the celtics are getting 45 year old Dikembe Mutombo, and blasting us for letting him go.

A sampling...
smart move to grab deke.

dang, boston is going to destroy us.

Man, I couldn't make this stuff up.


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8/2/2007  1:43 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?

I give him credit for at least admitting his plan didn't work & deciding he needed to truly rebuild that franchise from the ground up... i agree he's a horrible GM, but he's at least showing he is making the moves to learn from his past mistakes, which is more than i can say for our GM.
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8/2/2007  2:09 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?

I give him credit for at least admitting his plan didn't work & deciding he needed to truly rebuild that franchise from the ground up... i agree he's a horrible GM, but he's at least showing he is making the moves to learn from his past mistakes, which is more than i can say for our GM.

McHale had KG for 11 years. I think if NYK arent good in 11 years he'll try a new direction too.
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8/2/2007  2:36 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?

I give him credit for at least admitting his plan didn't work & deciding he needed to truly rebuild that franchise from the ground up... i agree he's a horrible GM, but he's at least showing he is making the moves to learn from his past mistakes, which is more than i can say for our GM.

McHale had KG for 11 years. I think if NYK arent good in 11 years he'll try a new direction too.

the Knicks had a real franchise calibre talent like KG for a long period of years... we didn't win any titles w/him either, & the franchise moved in a new direction... it's not like the T'Wolves have been crap w/KG all these years... they did make it to the Finals & were in the playoffs several times... if we had a KG like talent on this team i wouldn't be complaining about Isiah right now, trust me.
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8/2/2007  2:57 PM
You can't compare what the Knicks did with Ewing, consistently battling the Bulls for the ECF, the Miami + Indiana rivalries, competing in the finals twice, etc, with the Timberwolves.

Kevin Garnett is quite possibly the better talent, but like Ewing, his front office never got him the supporting piece needed to take it to the next level.

In our defense we got tons of first round picks in return for trading Ewing too. Problem is we traded them for Othella Harrington and Mark Jackson.


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8/2/2007  3:10 PM
i'm not comparing what Checketts & Grunfeld did w/the Knicks to what McHale has done w/the TWolves... i already said i thought McHale was a horrible GM... but it takes a man to admit past mistakes & realize that a new direction is needed to achieve the goal you were after... stubbornly sticking to the same old line of thinking that has netted you negative results ever since you've implemented it is the very definition of insanity.
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8/2/2007  4:25 PM
I think McCale got an ok package but when you factor in what he passed up last season

#2 Pick Tyson Chandler, and Deng it hurts getting a few prospects

So essentially for the future

Chandler
Ty Thomas
Deng
Brewer/McCants
Foye

But i think he did ok in the deal put he might have been able to get himself a better deal had he traded the guy in conference. I bet he could have got the Lakers to do Bynum and Odom and a pick and turn around and package Odom for something good, or at least look to see what the bulls would give you.....
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8/2/2007  5:54 PM
I'm sorry, but why is McHale getting kudo's for breaking it down...He hasn't rebuild anything yet..Why is he being lauded for a trade that KG has been pushing to get the last three years now...What makes you guys feel that Minny will be better this year than the Celtics the last two years playing in the Western Conference...It's basically the same players...McHale made the trade with the only team that would possibly hire him after his gig is up in Minny...Is he still on the Celtic payroll...That trade tells me yes!!!..He would have never gotten equal value for KG, but this version of the Timberwolves is a lottery team at best...This is far from being rebuilt...This is breaking it down fellas...

[Edited by - holfresh on 08-03-2007 5:39 PM]
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8/3/2007  9:04 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?

I give him credit for at least admitting his plan didn't work & deciding he needed to truly rebuild that franchise from the ground up... i agree he's a horrible GM, but he's at least showing he is making the moves to learn from his past mistakes, which is more than i can say for our GM.

McHale had KG for 11 years. I think if NYK arent good in 11 years he'll try a new direction too.

the Knicks had a real franchise calibre talent like KG for a long period of years... we didn't win any titles w/him either, & the franchise moved in a new direction... it's not like the T'Wolves have been crap w/KG all these years... they did make it to the Finals & were in the playoffs several times... if we had a KG like talent on this team i wouldn't be complaining about Isiah right now, trust me.

The knicks were perenially contenders with Pat, in the playoffs every year advancing far every year, if not for a guy named Michael Jordan we'd probably have a few rings, Minnesota nad KG are nothing close to that.
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