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Panos
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7/30/2007  10:23 PM
Posted by Ira:

I'm not endorsing this, but Artest for Jones, Dickau and Balkman is a strong possibility. It works salary wise once the restrictions on trading Jones and Dickau expire at the end of August.

Why would Sac trade Artest for expirings? Explain this to me?
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7/30/2007  11:02 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

As of now, Boston, toronto and of course NJ are way better than the Knicks. philly and knicks are probably in the same level.

Knicks will still have problems defending the perimeter game and the oppsoing teams guards.

kidd/jefferson/carter have always killed us over the last 6yrs.

allen/Pierce will have a field day against us every time they face us.

The combination of Calderon/Tj Ford and Parker isn't too shabby

Miller/new A.I will give us problems as well.


I'm not ready to saywe're going to run away with it, but we have a ton more depth than these teams and we do have stoppers on the wings if Isiah so chooses to use them.

Tell me how this year's Celts are better than last year's Supersonics and I might belive that they will win the Atlantic.
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7/30/2007  11:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

As of now, Boston, toronto and of course NJ are way better than the Knicks. philly and knicks are probably in the same level.

Knicks will still have problems defending the perimeter game and the oppsoing teams guards.

kidd/jefferson/carter have always killed us over the last 6yrs.

allen/Pierce will have a field day against us every time they face us.

The combination of Calderon/Tj Ford and Parker isn't too shabby

Miller/new A.I will give us problems as well.


I'm not ready to saywe're going to run away with it, but we have a ton more depth than these teams and we do have stoppers on the wings if Isiah so chooses to use them.

Tell me how this year's Celts are better than last year's Supersonics and I might belive that they will win the Atlantic.


Who was Seattle's front court last year. Nuff said.
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7/30/2007  11:13 PM
Let's not get carried away in overrating the other teams in the Atlantic. The Knicks aren't getting blown off the court by anyone this coming season. Even with all of our faults the Knicks were already one of the better offensive teams. We could go on runs against anybody and get back into a game after being down 20. To be able to do that as often as we did, the team has to have some firepower.

Now we're a year older, with some chemistry developed and we've added more talent. Just like it's gonna take a while for us to adjust to Zach, it may take a while for Boston to fully develop their chemistry, in particular on D. Offensively they'll probably be fine, but I doubt they come out defending like a well oiled machine for day one. That takes time to get used to each other and trust each other.

NJ is a team that you have to really be concerned about. They have the experience and talent to be a real top team from day one. They don't have to adjust crap. This gives them an edge on the other teams. They'll be ready right from jump.

Tor, has added more shooting, but they're still weak to me. They're all finesse and no muscle. They're gonna look to kill teams with perimeter shooting, but to me I would play them straight up and let Bosh try to beat me by himself. None of the guys they have can really create their own shot except for Bosh and TJ. Stay at home on those other guys and they really don't have much.

Philly will be a pain in the neck. They aren't good enough to challenge for the div. but they will give teams fits. You have to take care of business with them. They've got a nice group of young guys that are gonna be led by Miller and AI.
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7/30/2007  11:14 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

As of now, Boston, toronto and of course NJ are way better than the Knicks. philly and knicks are probably in the same level.

Knicks will still have problems defending the perimeter game and the oppsoing teams guards.

kidd/jefferson/carter have always killed us over the last 6yrs.

allen/Pierce will have a field day against us every time they face us.

The combination of Calderon/Tj Ford and Parker isn't too shabby

Miller/new A.I will give us problems as well.


I'm not ready to saywe're going to run away with it, but we have a ton more depth than these teams and we do have stoppers on the wings if Isiah so chooses to use them.

Tell me how this year's Celts are better than last year's Supersonics and I might belive that they will win the Atlantic.

You're not ready to say who runs away with it??? The Knicks???

BTW, Pierce is much better than Lewis and KG is 100x better than anybody else on Seattle.

Are you trying to impersonate nixluva or something?
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7/30/2007  11:16 PM
Posted by Vmart:

Boston would be tough but as of now I don't see it anywhere about this being official. Besides if this deal does go down I think NY would have to counter this deal with Artest.

Our team is still filled with 26 and under players. I don't think there is a big need to counter any move. IT just needs to get this team to the 8th seed. That in itself will be tough, but we should be able to make it without Artest. Artest is a time bomb. He has been unwanted at his last two stops. Randolph was a risk, but at least, most people agree that the kid played tough and is basically a solid player who just grew up in with the wrong crowd and made a few bad decisions. Artest is crazy and unpredictable.
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7/30/2007  11:19 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

As of now, Boston, toronto and of course NJ are way better than the Knicks. philly and knicks are probably in the same level.

Knicks will still have problems defending the perimeter game and the oppsoing teams guards.

kidd/jefferson/carter have always killed us over the last 6yrs.

allen/Pierce will have a field day against us every time they face us.

The combination of Calderon/Tj Ford and Parker isn't too shabby

Miller/new A.I will give us problems as well.


I'm not ready to saywe're going to run away with it, but we have a ton more depth than these teams and we do have stoppers on the wings if Isiah so chooses to use them.

Tell me how this year's Celts are better than last year's Supersonics and I might belive that they will win the Atlantic.


Who was Seattle's front court last year. Nuff said.

Collison and Wilcox - how's Kendrick Perkins looking at your starting 4 spot?
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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7/30/2007  11:21 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Collison and Wilcox

Sorry, Who?
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7/30/2007  11:24 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Ira:

I'm not endorsing this, but Artest for Jones, Dickau and Balkman is a strong possibility. It works salary wise once the restrictions on trading Jones and Dickau expire at the end of August.

Why would Sac trade Artest for expirings? Explain this to me?

Jeeez, just do this Artest for Lee trade already and let's seriously start thinking about making a run. WTF are we talking about here. We can't trade Lee??? I love the guy but he's 16 & 10 on a team that'll give him 40 minutes - which we can't. Not anymore. That's good production, but we just traded for an automatic 20/10 a nite PF that's only 26 and, God-willing, will be at the top of his game for another 7, 8 years. The PF spot's covered now. Time to bring one of the NBA's best SFs home....
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7/30/2007  11:27 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

As of now, Boston, toronto and of course NJ are way better than the Knicks. philly and knicks are probably in the same level.

Knicks will still have problems defending the perimeter game and the oppsoing teams guards.

kidd/jefferson/carter have always killed us over the last 6yrs.

allen/Pierce will have a field day against us every time they face us.

The combination of Calderon/Tj Ford and Parker isn't too shabby

Miller/new A.I will give us problems as well.


I'm not ready to saywe're going to run away with it, but we have a ton more depth than these teams and we do have stoppers on the wings if Isiah so chooses to use them.

Tell me how this year's Celts are better than last year's Supersonics and I might belive that they will win the Atlantic.


Who was Seattle's front court last year. Nuff said.

Collison and Wilcox - how's Kendrick Perkins looking at your starting 4 spot?

Kendrick Perkins???

You were the guy that used to look at MJ's Bulls and say "Yeah, but how are they at the starting 5 spot?"

Unreal.
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7/30/2007  11:30 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:


Collison and Wilcox - how's Kendrick Perkins looking at your starting 4 spot?

Has it sunk in that KG is a perennial MVP candidate and one time winner?
And you're talking to me about Collison and Wilcox?
Are you serious?! Why do I bother?
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7/30/2007  11:35 PM
Dude, Rondo can't lead a big time team and the rumor is that Gomes went in this deal too. I'm saying that we should arguably be better as a deep team than what the Celts have at this moment.
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7/31/2007  4:05 AM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Ira:

I'm not endorsing this, but Artest for Jones, Dickau and Balkman is a strong possibility. It works salary wise once the restrictions on trading Jones and Dickau expire at the end of August.

Why would Sac trade Artest for expirings? Explain this to me?

Balkman is not expiring. The expiring contracts are there to balance salary. Because of Artest's personal issues, no one else wants him enough to give more.
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7/31/2007  8:29 AM
this kg deal changes EVERYTHING. with the zach trade, we pretty much had our playoff berth and might give other teams a run for their money. thomas made this trade to make the playoffs only and to compete when we get there. in thomas'eyes, he felt that lee is a future star and the east how it is, we do not need any irrational moves. if we get artest, who would definately improve our club, we are not going to give up our future for him especially how the east is. that has changed with the kg trade. now getting artest would be imperitive and could reverse the team in the drivers seat. though the kings want to get rid of artest, there are going to be teams desperate to get him to remain on par, not only the knicks. i wouldn't be suprised if teams like chicago, miami or even cleveland will throw their hat in to get artest. though i like lee a lot and to see him grow in new york would be ideal, i am still tired of losing and i want to compete. we might be more competitive with the roster how it is and maybe win over 40 games but artest would make us a conference contender. if we make a trade for artest, we will still have a solid bench which is something that most teams can not say.
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Posted by jazz74:

this kg deal changes EVERYTHING. with the zach trade, we pretty much had our playoff berth and might give other teams a run for their money. thomas made this trade to make the playoffs only and to compete when we get there. in thomas'eyes, he felt that lee is a future star and the east how it is, we do not need any irrational moves. if we get artest, who would definately improve our club, we are not going to give up our future for him especially how the east is. that has changed with the kg trade. now getting artest would be imperitive and could reverse the team in the drivers seat. though the kings want to get rid of artest, there are going to be teams desperate to get him to remain on par, not only the knicks. i wouldn't be suprised if teams like chicago, miami or even cleveland will throw their hat in to get artest. though i like lee a lot and to see him grow in new york would be ideal, i am still tired of losing and i want to compete. we might be more competitive with the roster how it is and maybe win over 40 games but artest would make us a conference contender. if we make a trade for artest, we will still have a solid bench which is something that most teams can not say.

I'll guarantee you Chicago wants nothing to do with Artest.
I'd also be pretty confident that Cleveland doesn't want Artest anywhere near Lebron.
Miami, eh, maybe.
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7/31/2007  11:04 AM
Something I factored in was injuries.

Nobody on the planet earth could hae predicted the slew of injuries the knicks had last season with crawford ,marbury, lee, QRich even Nate.

So when we bring up a team like the Celtics, they have 3 veteran stars, with two known to have nagging injuries during past seasons(RAY ALLEN-PAUL PIERCE).

NJ had the same thing happen to them with N. Kristic and R.Jefferson, with uncle Cliffy doing continuing his tree smoking habit.

So with that knowledge at hand it's all about being lucky(healthy) come playoff positioning and the playoffs itself.


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