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7/29/2007  2:00 PM
Posted by McK1:

I don't believe the man who built the Marbury-Crawford backcourt and now the Randolph-Curry frontcourt really cares about stopping anybody.

Thank you, you just proved my point!! That's why this team will never go anywhere
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7/29/2007  2:05 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Question of the off-season: was channing Frye a defensive presence?

The answer: hell ****in no!!!




point proven.

coming out Frye was considered a weak interior defender

Isiah hasn't built a front or backcourt this year, last year, or the year prior with the intent on stopping anybody.

this observation has nothing to do with whether I think Curry-Randolph will be able to produce wins or not.
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7/29/2007  3:34 PM
Zach for Odom could have some promise, though, I'm not sure I would pull the trigger, but that one, at least, is from planet earth.

A better idea is letting Zach play a full year for NY. If he produces here with no issues, his value will go up... a lot. I didn't want Zach here because of his character issues, but he is here. Now we have to give him a chance, before we just ship him out. If he has a character-issues free great year in NY, maybe we can work a much more favorable trade next offseason if one comes about, but as was said, let's not just ship him out for guys who aren't fitting the roster.
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7/29/2007  7:21 PM
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Let's just wait and see what happens. The was you guys talk about the rookies you'd think that they are a proven thing. I agree Zack ain't going anywhere.we will see what this team can do. I think that N8 wukk play an important part of this team. Zeke will get Artest because Artest wants to play for New York weather it's this season or next, I don't think Artest want up to give up Lee for him.

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7/29/2007  7:38 PM
I also for Zack to stay as a Knick.
This will make Isiah fired faster.
If we will teade him or eddy for defensive big or star (are you kidding who will do this) Isiah will get another extension. F..ck it...
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7/29/2007  8:30 PM
The idea of trading Zach is crazy. For WHO? Do you realize that according to Hollinger's PER rating, he's the #8 rated PF in the league? Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, KG, Boozer, Brand, Amare, ZACH!!!

Tell me why we should be looking for someone else at this point? Odom is ranked #31. Do you realize that DLee is ranked #12!!!! We don't need to change a damn thing. We need to let this play out. Zach is a guy that can flat out get it done. If he could dunk at will, the guy would be a monster. Zach and Lee will make Curry even better, by taking some of the load off of his back. They are so productive that they'll be a perfect fit for playing with Curry and without him on the floor.

I'm not worried about Zach and Lee, we need to get Curry to do more of the little things and then we'll really have something. If i'm isiah, all i'm looking to do is fill that SF spot with someone who can really get it done on both ends. This is why the Artest rumors are rampant. But if he can't pull that off, then we go with what we've got and in time maybe Chandler might fill that role.
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7/29/2007  9:13 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The idea of trading Zach is crazy. For WHO? Do you realize that according to Hollinger's PER rating, he's the #8 rated PF in the league? Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, KG, Boozer, Brand, Amare, ZACH!!!

Tell me why we should be looking for someone else at this point? Odom is ranked #31. Do you realize that DLee is ranked #12!!!! We don't need to change a damn thing. We need to let this play out. Zach is a guy that can flat out get it done. If he could dunk at will, the guy would be a monster. Zach and Lee will make Curry even better, by taking some of the load off of his back. They are so productive that they'll be a perfect fit for playing with Curry and without him on the floor.

I'm not worried about Zach and Lee, we need to get Curry to do more of the little things and then we'll really have something. If i'm isiah, all i'm looking to do is fill that SF spot with someone who can really get it done on both ends. This is why the Artest rumors are rampant. But if he can't pull that off, then we go with what we've got and in time maybe Chandler might fill that role.

Hey, Nix, even I'm with you on this one. This was out of left field and a pure hater topic. Zach deserves a chance. His main issues are character and defense. Move past the character issue and you have a hell of a player. I hope Zach can keep it together, because he's a nice piece to have if he can. If he can't, we have Isiah Rider, but let's not think about that for now.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 29 2007 10:11 PM]
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7/29/2007  9:33 PM
Yeah i'm hoping maybe he's finally grown up and realized that he doesn't need to run with that crowd anymore. Most people at some point get tired of playing around. I think maybe we caught him at the right time in his life.

If Zach just focuses on BB, then we'll have a good player for this team and we can worry about settling our SF and future PG issues. I feel good about our PF/C and I think we'll be OK at SG with a guy like Nichols down the line. We've got this year to look at the guys we have at PG and if they can't cut it, maybe we draft a PG next year, use the MLE or make a trade for someone. RIght now tho, i'm not concerned with Zach. How many teams have PF/C's like we've got in Zach, Lee, Curry & maybe even Morris?
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7/30/2007  1:24 AM
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Nixluva :: After what happened to Walker and Curry and some other NBA player's family getting robbed or killed. I wouldn't be surprised if they won't be rolling with a crew or maybe the NBA will give them protection. If Curry had his boyz with him maybe this might not have happened or maybe it could have been worse. We will never know. All I know is that the bleeding must stop because of the copy cat problem.

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7/30/2007  8:36 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Am I the only one that thinks Zach could've been traded for just as trade bait later down the road....b/c Frye's value was diminishing and b/c Isiah knew no team would give us caliber pieces for Steve Francis?


I for one hope so, b/c Zach atleast has enough value to help us acquire players that round out our roster more.


Just think about it - we already have the player with the most points in the paint, what purpose is Zach serving here?


Curry isn't that good of a passer, so it's not like they'll be fascilitating eachother; and it's not like Zach covers up Eddy's deficiencies either...


So what's the point?


I've heard the "outscore other teams/bull them in the paint" arguement, and personally I think it's Bull. Both those guys take a chunk out of the shotclock to produce, and we don't play defense, so........




Anyway, here, without further adue, are the 5 teams where Z-Bo could call home come next season:



CHICAGO - It may not be Reinsdorf's style to overpay, but throw Zach into that mix and that's something special ain't it? Hell, he'll come alot cheaper than Gasol ever will...

A freshly re-signed Nocioni plus filler would satisfy both sides.



CLEVELAND - Bron wants to win it all? He needs a battering ram in the middle.



Gooden + Damon Jones and a 1st should get it done. Don't forget Zeke's hardon for Drew...and all that cash saved.



DETROIT - Pistons need an injection of youth. Let's swap Sheed and call it a day.



LOS ANGELES - Lakers need a bigtime PF in that stacked conference. Randolph for Odomstraight up.



MIAMI - Shaq's getting older, Haslem's outwelcoming his stay, and Wade's gonna need a running mate one day.



Haslem + Williams, and I'm chirping...




So that's pretty much the score. If you actually check them out you'll notice each of those trades gives us a playoff piece that fits better considering our needs, while saving us cap $$.


Kind of a win-win don't you think?

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07-29-2007 03:26 AM]


I guess I'm the only one that thinks some of these trades wouldn't be bad.
Except the Cleveland one. Hate that one.
The other ones give us more rounded line up and less $$$.
However, you do that trade with Chicago, and they're going to the finals, guaranteed.
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7/30/2007  8:59 AM
Posted by Papabear:

Papabear says

Nixluva :: After what happened to Walker and Curry and some other NBA player's family getting robbed or killed. I wouldn't be surprised if they won't be rolling with a crew or maybe the NBA will give them protection. If Curry had his boyz with him maybe this might not have happened or maybe it could have been worse. We will never know. All I know is that the bleeding must stop because of the copy cat problem.

Papabear

i thought curry never believed in an entourage and he was always grounded. he is mature for his age with a wife and kids so i don't know if he had "boyz" to begin with. as far as zach goes, maybe he has matured or maybe not. we will see. remember spree came with a rep and he stayed out of trouble with the knicks for the most part. but there is NO denying his game. he is one of the better pf's in the league and i think in the east he will do better. so the risk is worth it.
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7/30/2007  9:31 AM
Most of those deals are awful you never trade within your own conference especially cleveland the idea is to get lebron to leave not help him win a championship.

But I think I would probably do the Lakers and the pistons. Because your salary is gone in two years with marbury, and it puts you in a position of cap power....Sheed would be a great defensive presence next to eddy and provide the right spacing.....
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7/30/2007  11:20 AM

Zach can also come here and do good for a year and improve his value for a later date.
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7/30/2007  11:24 AM
Posted by Nalod:


Zach can also come here and do good for a year and improve his value for a later date.

Who are you, and what have you done with the real Nalod?
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7/30/2007  11:30 AM
I don't know. When I look at Zach and our situation, I see that we have arguably the Best PF in the East, one of the best scoring C's in the East with Curry and the best PF off the bench in the East with Lee. I don't know why we'd even consider moving him unless this thing falls apart. If it's working I don't change a thing. Just imagine if Lee has indeed improved his jumper? This guy would be awesome for us. Then you have the prospect of maybe even Morris being pretty decent down the line. If that happens, we'd really have the top Froncourt group in the East.
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Posted by Panos:

[quote]Posted by nixluva:

I don't know. When I look at Zach and our situation, I see that we have arguably the Best PF in the East, one of the best scoring C's in the East with Curry and the best PF off the bench in the East with Lee. I don't know why we'd even consider moving him unless this thing falls apart. If it's working I don't change a thing. Just imagine if Lee has indeed improved his jumper? This guy would be awesome for us. Then you have the prospect of maybe even Morris being pretty decent down the line. If that happens, we'd really have the top Froncourt group in the East.

Starting line ups win seasons. We're talking about Pierce/Allen/KG three ALL STARS, and you're talking about Morris and our backup PF?

Oh, and if KG is in Boston, he's better than both Zach and Eddy, so it negates one of the claims about them.
Then they have the best wing pairing in the game with Allen and Pierce.
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7/30/2007  11:41 AM
0.7blks between our center and our power foward and guards that can't keep guys from getting into the paint......

Your may be talking about the best offensive one two punch in the conference at their position but your also talking aboutt the worst defensive 4-5 in basketball, add in crawford to our starting lineup and the fact the knicks come out sluggish and thats a big whole we might get ourselves into.

You think about moving one of them because of balance, and two guys having the ability to play off each other. Most scouts and people around the league have highlighted the fact that when those two get it they don't like kicking it out which will create some problems. This is so similiar to francis and marbury, they both have big egos, they both do a lot of the same stuff well, one was more of a rebounder and both had questionable work ethics and attitude problems. There are a lot of question marks, we have to wait and see before we pass judgement, but after a guy has a 23pt 10rb season his value should be at an all time high.

A young pansy and spend 30 million to buy out a head case for one of the most productive low post guys in the leauge that is still young? Something doesn't add up there especially when you have a center that is the perfect compliment there along with a young sg, and pg and maturing youth
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7/30/2007  1:37 PM
We didn't have much D from Frye last year, so that really hasn't changed much, but in terms of production, Zach is lightyears better than Frye at this point. He gives us someone closer to KG than we had before. We may not be a great defensive team, but we're still gonna be murder to try to stop. For 48 minutes every night, we're gonna be a load inside for teams to deal with.

I still don't think there's a problem with Zach and Curry being out there at the same time. Steph already explained what the mindset with be for the rest of the team. It's Zach and Curry 1st and everyone else comes after that. I don't think it matters what Zach got traded for. I only care about what he brings to the team. No one has ever questioned his on the court performance, it's all about his off the court issues.
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7/30/2007  4:33 PM
Zach won't be tradeable until 2010 when he has 1 year left on his deal.


then Isiah can trade him for another player with baggage that plays no defense signed to a longterm max contract.
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