First off, I think you guys are argueing with the wrong person in Islesfan.

Secondly, I definitely do agree that there is some hometown bias here. Ty Thomas is triple the athletic beast that Thomas is and the only thing Balkman has over Thomas, is ballhandling. Both have nice ceilings too, but Thomas's is MUCH higher. No comparison there.

Chandler is a nice skill player, and again, don't listen to Islesfan when argueing about the comparisons, b/c he's quite bias too. However, the fact that Noah was a major contributer on 2 National championships in a row (Beating Ty Thomas one time, might I add, and Oden the other) alone gives Noah the edge. He's a winning player and he's going to be a blue collar player with the best of them. Chandler is way unknown though, for us to make this judgement, but so far, based on the fact that Noah is a 2 time champion, I give him the edge.

Posted by Allanfan20:

First off, I think you guys are argueing with the wrong person in Islesfan.

Secondly, I definitely do agree that there is some hometown bias here. Ty Thomas is triple the athletic beast that Thomas is and the only thing Balkman has over Thomas, is ballhandling. Both have nice ceilings too, but Thomas's is MUCH higher. No comparison there.

Chandler is a nice skill player, and again, don't listen to Islesfan when argueing about the comparisons, b/c he's quite bias too. However, the fact that Noah was a major contributer on 2 National championships in a row (Beating Ty Thomas one time, might I add, and Oden the other) alone gives Noah the edge. He's a winning player and he's going to be a blue collar player with the best of them. Chandler is way unknown though, for us to make this judgement, but so far, based on the fact that Noah is a 2 time champion, I give him the edge.

that's a pretty well-reasoned and insightful post. which leads to a follow-up question - who in the blue hell is posting under allanfan's name???

Noah is something that we don't have a lot of on this team, he is a winner, he does what needs to be done. Varejo isn't all that talented but he harrasses people and draws the most charges in the league and draws fouls on critical players. Selfless players make up winning teams so i wouldn't dump on the kid just yet. Just because he wears a bow tie, has the worst hair in sports and looks like the predator doesn't mean he isn't going to be a player......

These comparision posts are just so ****ing stupid. I love balkman i think he is going to be a player in this league and has the ability to be a gamer, summer league is garbage, Martell Webster was pouring in 27 a game two summers ago and averages around 4 points in this league, so before we put Chandler in the hall of fame, lets remember your doing in front of a crowd that is there to watch basketball your not doing it in ny, and the firt time you dog it your going to hear about it and if your a current knick chances are you are going to complain about it.

Thomas is going to be awesome, he was getting his barings and was lost last season he is going to be one of the best shotblockers in basketball and going to be an allstar down the road if he stays healthy. The more he plays the more you will see that that combination will contribute to more wins that Eddy Curry......

Chandler and Balkman have nothing to do with those guys. They are all raw and works in progress. We had a number of expiring deals and didn't necessarily have to use AD.

So ask yourself the question the bulls are a top three team in the conference, if eddy is that good why are we in the 7-10 range? Lets wait and see before we jump to any conclusions because if this guy was so good i think he would have went before 23 not to mention really be on anyones radar besides isiah. He is more polished offensively than balkman, and we know balk can play but he was more of a risk than chandler.....

So

Noah, Thomas > Chandler Balkman

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2 of the guys haven't played an NBA minute yet. Just thought I'd point that out.

As for TT and Balkman, I would prefer TT. I think he is a clear future starter with huge potential while we aren't sure if Balkman will ever be a starter. That's not to say that we went wrong with Balkman. The guy is definitely going to help us.

This to me is another hate Isiah or love Isiah for the Curry trade type of post(yes I know I'm observant). I said I would give it a few years before I judged. I wouldn't have made the trade but if Curry ever gets his act together than questions like this become irrelevant.

Yes, this is true. Which makes this thread irrelevant. Why? We could have Tyrus, Balkman and Noah (not Chandler) without the trade. However, as I have stated for the record before (let's make sure no one later claims that it was hindsight) I don't think Isiah would have chosen Noah at the 9 spot, nor do I think he should have. Personally, I would have gone for Acie Law or Thaddeus Young, but who knows WHO Isiah would have picked there. Just don't think it would have been Noah.

The thing is Chandler is a pure prospect and Noah is a known quantity in that he's been successful already. So to some degree it's easier to see him as a success than Chandler. just because Chandler was stuck on a bad team I wouldn't necessarily hold that against him. I wouldn't give Noah too much credit either for clearly being on a team with lots of talent. In the college game that can skew things a bit. We'll have to see both guys against NBA competition, so this will take a while to settle.

Chandler is not that raw

you had to be there

Posted by Allanfan20:

First off, I think you guys are argueing with the wrong person in Islesfan.

Secondly, I definitely do agree that there is some hometown bias here. Ty Thomas is triple the athletic beast that Thomas is and the only thing Balkman has over Thomas, is ballhandling. Both have nice ceilings too, but Thomas's is MUCH higher. No comparison there.

Chandler is a nice skill player, and again, don't listen to Islesfan when argueing about the comparisons, b/c he's quite bias too. However, the fact that Noah was a major contributer on 2 National championships in a row (Beating Ty Thomas one time, might I add, and Oden the other) alone gives Noah the edge. He's a winning player and he's going to be a blue collar player with the best of them. Chandler is way unknown though, for us to make this judgement, but so far, based on the fact that Noah is a 2 time champion, I give him the edge.

Geez, you say not to listen to me and then you say the same things I did and come to the same conclusions as I did.

Sometimes it's not called being biased, it's just called telling the truth.

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Posted by misterearl:

Chandler is not that raw

you had to be there

It's true. The Summer League that we saw on TV here in NY was made up of teams consisting of scrubs, developmental league and overseas players. The Summer League that misterearl saw in Las Vegas was made up of full NBA teams and Chandler was schooling the likes of LeBron James and Bruce Bowen. Those game just weren't televised apparently.

You had to be there

How did Durant, Hawes and Yi do against our summer league team?

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Chandler is still early in his development, but I'd say that he actually does everything pretty well. What's wrong with a SF that can defend, plays the passing lanes, block shots, hit from 3, handle the ball, pass it well and has great hops? I mean geez!

Nothing wrong with that. The CBA, Developmental League and European Leagues are filled with guys who possess the same skills as Chandler.

OH REALLY? I don't see it quite that way, but it's so early that who can be sure. I just thought that the guy showed amazing poise and skill for a 20 year old kid. Ariza wasn't anywhere near that level of all around skill at the same age and he's in the NBA. Chandler has similar kinds of atheltic ability as Ariza, but he's a much smoother player. That comes off as him not having a great motor, but he just seems to be in more control of his motions. He sneaks up on you like Mardy did. You think Mardy's moving slow and then he's by you and laying it up. Like Mardy he always seems to get there for a rebound, but he's just not as exciting as Balkman in terms of how it looks when he does these things. He's not flying out of control all over the court, but when he needs that burst of energy he's got plenty.

Wait, are you still basing your comments on Summer League??

That's awesome.

The fact that he doesn't have a great motor was based on his entire college career. Although I loved that whole "smooth" argument. That was great spin. Loved it.

"Chandler had a smooth summer league with the 5-0 Knicks, averaging 13.4 points (shooting 50.9 percent) with 5.2 rebounds in 28 minutes per game." Berman.

Nix isn't the only person who believes Chandler is a smooth player. Chandler doesn't waste energy, and isn't reckless like Balk/Camby type players but to say he doesn't have a great motor is a stretch. The guy averaged 2 blocks per (yeah I know it was just summer league)and made some really good defensive plays.

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Posted by misterearl:

Chandler is not that raw

you had to be there

It's true. The Summer League that we saw on TV here in NY was made up of teams consisting of scrubs, developmental league and overseas players. The Summer League that misterearl saw in Las Vegas was made up of full NBA teams and Chandler was schooling the likes of LeBron James and Bruce Bowen. Those game just weren't televised apparently.

You had to be there

How did Durant, Hawes and Yi do against our summer league team?

Key words AGAIN being, "summer league".

Oh so Durant Hawes and YI will do better against NBA stars than against the Summer league players?

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Posted by nixluva:

Chandler is still early in his development, but I'd say that he actually does everything pretty well. What's wrong with a SF that can defend, plays the passing lanes, block shots, hit from 3, handle the ball, pass it well and has great hops? I mean geez!

Nothing wrong with that. The CBA, Developmental League and European Leagues are filled with guys who possess the same skills as Chandler.

OH REALLY? I don't see it quite that way, but it's so early that who can be sure. I just thought that the guy showed amazing poise and skill for a 20 year old kid. Ariza wasn't anywhere near that level of all around skill at the same age and he's in the NBA. Chandler has similar kinds of atheltic ability as Ariza, but he's a much smoother player. That comes off as him not having a great motor, but he just seems to be in more control of his motions. He sneaks up on you like Mardy did. You think Mardy's moving slow and then he's by you and laying it up. Like Mardy he always seems to get there for a rebound, but he's just not as exciting as Balkman in terms of how it looks when he does these things. He's not flying out of control all over the court, but when he needs that burst of energy he's got plenty.

Wait, are you still basing your comments on Summer League??

That's awesome.

The fact that he doesn't have a great motor was based on his entire college career. Although I loved that whole "smooth" argument. That was great spin. Loved it.

"Chandler had a smooth summer league with the 5-0 Knicks, averaging 13.4 points (shooting 50.9 percent) with 5.2 rebounds in 28 minutes per game." Berman.

Nix isn't the only person who believes Chandler is a smooth player. Chandler doesn't waste energy, and isn't reckless like Balk/Camby type players but to say he doesn't have a great motor is a stretch. The guy averaged 2 blocks per (yeah I know it was just summer league)and made some really good defensive plays.

From Draft Express:

"For most of his basketball career, the biggest knock against Chandler has always been his tendency to coast through games and not assert himself. He’s an extremely reserved, quiet person off the court, and this unsurprisingly lends itself perfectly onto the basketball court as well. Too often he will just camp outside on the perimeter and wait for the game to come to him, rather than make a commitment to utilize his awesome physical tools to make things happen inside.

Part of this has to do with DePaul’s style of play, but it’s not hard to notice the influence of his personality on his game as well, particularly on the defensive end, where he often looks tentative and not quite as active as you might hope. Unfortunately these personality traits--as we’ve too often found out in the past--don’t tend to change once a player becomes a pro. That doesn’t mean that he can’t go on to have a long, productive NBA career, but it very well can lessen his ceiling from being considered to have star potential to “just” projecting as a solid role player—which there is obviously nothing wrong with."

Isles, I know it was just summer league, but I didn't notice him coasting in any on the games. Draft express also made it seem like he was a bad of a perimeter shooter as Balk comming out which totally isn't the case. His mechanice are fine. The defensive end was where he was most affective 2 blks per, and great effort plays.

I also noticed you didn't highlight the part about Depauls style of play being a factor. Don't kow how much you saw him at Depaul, but I saw him play at least 4-5 times last year (I'm a huge BigEast notice my screen name) and Depauls offense is very deliberate. Alot of ball movement, screens and dives to the hoop with no room for one-on-one play. So at times, I guess it can look like he's coasting in that offense. In fact, more times than not, it looks like that team is coasting.

As far as him camping out on the perimeter. I think part of that is due to the lack of ball handling skills he has. Thats the main part of his game he needs to work on. Getting by his man off the dribble.