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7/26/2007  11:02 AM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by MS:

I really think it was the way Isiah used him, plus the added muscle that he put on. He just didn't look as athletic as he did his first year in the leauge and wasn't jumping as high.......

One thing you have to look for its all about using the player the right way. Look at a Matt Barnes he was a journeyman and find the right system and looked like a very solid player last season. Doug Christie couldn't get off the knicks bench and was awesome for the kings for a long time.....

Channing suffered because Isiah really fell short in the coaching department last season. Frye was not a good fit next to Eddy and his game suffered, he was used as a decoy and his spacing was all wrong. He rarely got a play set up for him and should have been used with the second unit at the center spot where he could get shots in rythm. It's too bad we couldn't have traded him a season before....

Frye suffered because of himself and his ablity to do noting else. How many times did you see Frye just stand still? Lee and Balkman do not stand still and they both have no outside shot at all. However Lee and Balkman understand if you move around or cut to the basket good things will happen. Even when Eddy was out of the lineup Frye did nothing. All he did was still take jumpshots and never drive to the hole. Then when he tried to postup you have guys like Luol Deng pushing him out of the low post.

that's right. that's why i made the jj2 comparison. frye is very skilled offensively and he did little to position himself to take advantage of it. and the timidity was startling. the guy could have easily averaged 15 and 7 in his role last year.
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7/26/2007  11:15 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by MS:

I really think it was the way Isiah used him, plus the added muscle that he put on. He just didn't look as athletic as he did his first year in the leauge and wasn't jumping as high.......

One thing you have to look for its all about using the player the right way. Look at a Matt Barnes he was a journeyman and find the right system and looked like a very solid player last season. Doug Christie couldn't get off the knicks bench and was awesome for the kings for a long time.....

Channing suffered because Isiah really fell short in the coaching department last season. Frye was not a good fit next to Eddy and his game suffered, he was used as a decoy and his spacing was all wrong. He rarely got a play set up for him and should have been used with the second unit at the center spot where he could get shots in rythm. It's too bad we couldn't have traded him a season before....

Frye suffered because of himself and his ablity to do noting else. How many times did you see Frye just stand still? Lee and Balkman do not stand still and they both have no outside shot at all. However Lee and Balkman understand if you move around or cut to the basket good things will happen. Even when Eddy was out of the lineup Frye did nothing. All he did was still take jumpshots and never drive to the hole. Then when he tried to postup you have guys like Luol Deng pushing him out of the low post.

that's right. that's why i made the jj2 comparison. frye is very skilled offensively and he did little to position himself to take advantage of it. and the timidity was startling. the guy could have easily averaged 15 and 7 in his role last year.
Isiah's main problem was he kept Fyre in the lineup even after Frye made no effort last season. Lee should have started over Frye. Frye was a deer with highlights in his face. I think people give Frye a pass because he was a nice guy. I feel what people do not realize is you don't need to have a jumpshot or a crossover to force your opponent to work hard on the defensive end. Set picks, cut to the hole, boxout. All those factors will cause your opponent to be off balance instead of having fresh legs.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-26-2007 11:16 AM]
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7/26/2007  11:31 AM
Duke was a little soft tho....
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7/26/2007  11:54 AM
Posted by Masterplan:
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There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.

what about him wasn't "what we needed?" what do/did we need?

The guy wasn't tough enough on the boards or in the post. He had the stroke we needed, but he was too hesistant to take the shot. Zach is basically a better version of Frye for our needs. Often Frye would have his man at a disadvantage and only needed to pump fake and drive by his man, but he didn't have the confidence to do that either. Zach uses that a lot. Zach can effectively occupy the post when Curry is out of the game. This will allow us to continue to run our inside out game at a high level.

[Edited by - nixluva on 07-26-2007 11:57 AM]
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7/26/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Masterplan:
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There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.

what about him wasn't "what we needed?" what do/did we need?

The guy wasn't tough enough on the boards or in the post. He had the stroke we needed, but he was too hesistant to take the shot. Zach is basically a better version of Frye for our needs. Often Frye would have his man at a disadvantage and only needed to pump fake and drive by his man, but he didn't have the confidence to do that either. Zach uses that a lot. Zach can effectively occupy the post when Curry is out of the game. This will allow us to continue to run our inside out game at a high level.

[Edited by - nixluva on 07-26-2007 11:57 AM]

see, i think you're describing basically a better player, not necessarily "what we needed." i would have wanted defense and rebounding, and anything more than basic offensive competence would be a bonus.
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7/26/2007  12:33 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nixluva:

There's nothing wrong with Frye in terms of his talent. He wasn't a bad pick in that regard. He wasn't what we needed tho. He looks like a guy that's tailor made for the West. He could fit in on a team like the Suns as well. They tried to see if he could develop more of a traditional PF game and it didn't happen, so in the end we were able to trade him for someone that we feel will give us more of what we need. Some call him a bust, but it's more like he wasn't a good fit.

what about him wasn't "what we needed?" what do/did we need?

The guy wasn't tough enough on the boards or in the post. He had the stroke we needed, but he was too hesistant to take the shot. Zach is basically a better version of Frye for our needs. Often Frye would have his man at a disadvantage and only needed to pump fake and drive by his man, but he didn't have the confidence to do that either. Zach uses that a lot. Zach can effectively occupy the post when Curry is out of the game. This will allow us to continue to run our inside out game at a high level.

[Edited by - nixluva on 07-26-2007 11:57 AM]

see, i think you're describing basically a better player, not necessarily "what we needed." i would have wanted defense and rebounding, and anything more than basic offensive competence would be a bonus.

Yeah that's one way of looking at it. Tho from Isiah's point of view he may not really care much about the shotblocking. He's had ample opportunity to add more shotblocking and hasn't. I think the post play, shooting and rebounding that Zach gives us is more important to Isiah. I don't think that he'd have a problem with a guy who did what Zach does AND blocked shots. I mean who would? I think he feels in the scheme of things that it's not something he puts a premium on. Right or wrong, that seems to be what he's been saying.

Personally i'd LOVE to see both Curry and Zach actually take some pride in help defending. Just coming over and attempting to block shots can often be very helpful. Heck just get you hands up is the most basic part of it. I'm hoping that Curry and Zach come into camp in great shape. In Curry's case I know that it will help him a lot to be a bit lighter.
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7/26/2007  12:52 PM
When yo go from being treated like a cornerstone your first yr to being a pawn and a flunkie to carry lazy EY's luggage the second yr of course you're going to look worthless. I've never, in my wildest dream thought, I SAY UGH could make players look worse under his watch vs LB.
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7/26/2007  1:01 PM
Fry always looks like a guy who used to play in well established system.
He was used to this in the college but on the Knicks he was dealing with the team which runs without any system whatsoever.
He was playing well for Braun when he has trying some kind of the system in the first part of this disaster season.
Then IT starts coaching and Fry became totally disoriented in this freelancing no-system IT is running.
Fry need to be on a team with good system and discipline, with somebody with the head running the point and some coach who can coach. Spurs, Utah, Lakers, Suns, or Pistons will be great teams for him. But Portland... I am not sure.
I think he will be moved again eventually...
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7/26/2007  1:59 PM
where do you get the feeling that he's knocking us?
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7/26/2007  2:01 PM
The Frye situation is actually funny, on reflection.

On the one hand, you have guys who defended Frye to the death who finally admit Frye sucked when he got traded. This indicates the mindset of someone who will defend any Knick regardless of situation, and quickly changes tune when that person is no longer a Knick.

On the other hand, you have guys who defended Frye to the death and still do. This indicates the mindset of someone who will never knock an Isiah move.



[Edited by - Solace on Jul 26 2007 2:01 PM]
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7/26/2007  2:04 PM
& on the third hand you have guys who questioned the Frye pick from the very beginning but were willing to keep an open mind until he showed what kind of player he really was.

i for one am glad he's no longer a Knick... he's a great kid, but like SAS says, I want a DAWG up in here! only i wish he didn't come w/a max contract for the next 4 years & no defense obviously.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-26-2007 2:04 PM]
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7/26/2007  2:08 PM
I'm so glad this guy is no where near nyc during the season. Only twice a season. I will get tons of pleasure watching zach and curry take turns busting his ass.

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7/26/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by TMS:

& on the third hand you have guys who questioned the Frye pick from the very beginning but were willing to keep an open mind until he showed what kind of player he really was.

i for one am glad he's no longer a Knick... he's a great kid, but like SAS says, I want a DAWG up in here! only i wish he didn't come w/a max contract for the next 4 years & no defense obviously.

This is very true. After year one, even I had hope for the kid... but I was thoroughly disappointed. He's just not a good ballplayer and I called it right from before the draft that he was a backup center, nothing more.
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7/26/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by Solace:

The Frye situation is actually funny, on reflection.

On the one hand, you have guys who defended Frye to the death who finally admit Frye sucked when he got traded. This indicates the mindset of someone who will defend any Knick regardless of situation, and quickly changes tune when that person is no longer a Knick.

On the other hand, you have guys who defended Frye to the death and still do. This indicates the mindset of someone who will never knock an Isiah move.



[Edited by - Solace on Jul 26 2007 2:01 PM]


The first point is true in almost every situation the other has room for interpretation. The fans that apply to your first point are the same fans that hate players like Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Michael Redd but as soon as I SAY UGH trades for them they're the greatest thing since slice bread. I'm the sort if I don't like a player, I will never like that player. Unless of course they totally changed. I wouldn't root for such player to do bad in a Knick uniform but I certainly wouldn't start liking him as a player. I have values and standards for which I base liking players and if they don't fit then so be it. Watch how many #50 jerseys will be sold and worn at the Garden and around New York at least initially. Those who weren't Randolph fans will be exposed as straight up FRAUDS and HYPOCRITES.


The Frye pick was a solid pick, maybe not the best but solid. He wasn't utilized properly and was acquired by a Franchise amidst disarray, chaos, and no leadership.
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7/26/2007  3:34 PM

Nice of Fry to thank KNick fans and say he things we'll be happy.

He is a classy guy.
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7/26/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Nice of Fry to thank KNick fans and say he things we'll be happy.

He is a classy guy.

That's certainly true. He is a fine person and a nice guy. But I'm glad Zach is here and Frye is there.
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7/26/2007  9:15 PM
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I remember seeing a basketball game on TV and a rookie he scoring 30 points and the fans was going crazy. reporters interviewing him and he was the talk of the town that week. The Coach put him in another game and he started to score again and the coach imediatly pulled him out of the game and sat him on the bench next to him. The next 40 games if he played 5 min a game that was a lot. Three years later he was an allstar. He thanked the coache for setting him on the bench that first year because the fame and popularity was going through his head and when he was a rookie and scored all those points in those few games he did it by ignoring the set play that the coach sent in and he had to learn a hard lesson. Obey your coach and when called upon to play team basketball, you do just that. I said all that in order to say this.
Fry was imediatly put on a pedistal and they were interviewing his mom, pop, and his whole family. Fry could do no wrong. But Fry never learned one important thing. He never new his place with the Knicks. They pushed him out there without letting him slowly grow. This was Frys personality. last season Fry did not know who he was or what he was. We pushed him out there the first season and he wasn't ready for all that. Some guys can adjust but Fry couldn't. We should have slowly bought him on.Let him know what was expected of him and how we wanted him to play. No pressure, just let him grow. We pushed him out there and never let him grow.
I wish Fry all the best and I think with the right system. Fry will some day be an allstarl

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7/26/2007  11:10 PM
^ I dig Papabear's words
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Posted by martin:

^ I dig Papabear's words

So do I.


I wish we would have ran the offense through him and encourage him to develop and inside/outside game, as Papabear said bring him along slowly during the process.
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7/27/2007  12:09 AM
Frye = Doleac

Doleac was a very solid player for us and a very nice BU to have. But that's it. Channing Frye most definitely is not going to Portland to challenge LA or Oden for minutes.
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