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misterearl
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7/23/2007  1:02 PM
arkrud - c'mon.

Now Isiah is a disease?

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7/23/2007  2:11 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - I'm disappointed that some people who call themselves Knicks fans can do not better than resort to insulting names for players who are nothing more than flawed human beings like the rest of us.

Then again, you could be perfect

First of all, Zack is a criminal and a (accused) rapist. He also busted the eye socket of a teammate. Marbury has been a cancer for every team he's ever been on in the NBA. Curry has been lazy and is an embarassment on the defensive end -- he doesn't even try. So, how is that name calling? I'm merely mentioning facts about these players, which is widely known. Yes, we have players that if they were in the league solely on their attitude, demeanor, and/or work ethic, would not be in the league. That's highly disappointing to me, as a fan. These players can turn it around any time they want to -- they just don't want to.
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7/23/2007  2:41 PM
Looks like a Cleveland based paper picked up on Marbury bashing Lebron again
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7/23/2007  2:51 PM
The thing that bothers me most about Isiah is this. He is building a team around Curry(now Zach-which one, once again we don't know), and the young guys yet as not gone out and gotten a proven leader to lead the bunch. This bothers me.

I agree with Misterearl, these guys are just flawed players. Why do we care so much about their personal lives? I want a new PG because I don't think Marbs is capable of leading this team properly. But the fact that he is an arrogant human being is not a concern to me. Kobe is an arrogant SOB and I would kill to have him on my team. I could care less about personality and only care about what they do on the floor.

I never followed Marbs very closely during his career. But when he came here it became obvious that he was not leadership material in a very short time. At that point to me, it's up to my GM to find a new leader. Not up to Marbs to become one.

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7/23/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

The thing that bothers me most about Isiah is this. He is building a team around Curry(now Zach-which one, once again we don't know), and the young guys yet as not gone out and gotten a proven leader to lead the bunch. This bothers me.

I agree with Misterearl, these guys are just flawed players. Why do we care so much about their personal lives? I want a new PG because I don't think Marbs is capable of leading this team properly. But the fact that he is an arrogant human being is not a concern to me. Kobe is an arrogant SOB and I would kill to have him on my team. I could care less about personality and only care about what they do on the floor.

I never followed Marbs very closely during his career. But when he came here it became obvious that he was not leadership material in a very short time. At that point to me, it's up to my GM to find a new leader. Not up to Marbs to become one.

Kobe can get away with being arrogant because he produces on the court and won 3 titles.

I think most of us are just tired of listening to Marbury. Again, I don't hate him on a personal level. I just don't want to hear him anymore, and I don't want him on the Knicks, because I don't see the Knicks winning with a team that has Marbury on it.
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7/23/2007  3:06 PM
>>Kobe can get away with being arrogant because he produces on the court and won 3 titles.

Solace - c'mon, admit it... you would despise Marbury no matter what he did on the court. Did he steal your lunch money?

>>I think most of us are just tired of listening to Marbury.

Solace - most of us? please speak for yourself. As you can't bear the sight or sound of Marbury, why not just change the channel?

Who is forcing you to read or watch anything about him?
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7/23/2007  3:09 PM
Solace: 100% agree with you. I'm tired of hearing from him. I'm tired of hearing about him. The same people that say they are tired of hearing about him, are the same people that can't do anything but talk about him. It's an obsession.

I feel the same way you feel about him as a player. I can't wait until Isiah truly decides to move to the next generation and starts filling the most important position on the team, for the future. That being said this is an obsession for some. I'm almost rooting for someone to be caught up in this NBA ref betting problem so that we can talk about something else.


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7/23/2007  3:12 PM
Marbury Forces New York Knicks Beat Writers To Write Stories About Him At Gunpoint

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7/23/2007  3:12 PM
To reiterate the comments of other posters, I care about personality in as much as it affects Marbury's leadership on the court. An arrogant, bumbling fool won't inspire perfectionism in his teammates. It will create tension in the locker room and with coaches. After that interview, I genuinely distrust Marbury's ability to comply with even the simplest instruction, nevermind execute complex offensive schemes.

There's no doubt that Isiah swung and missed with Marbury. In terms of whether its up to Marbs to become a leader, I'd like him to at the very least try harder - because frankly, as of now, he's as far from a leader as one can be. That said, it seems like he's missing a few screws upstairs. Simple mental tasks like answering yes or no questions send him spiraling down a path of confusion.
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7/23/2007  3:16 PM
codeunknown - how do you feel about Mardy Collins stepping in and receiving bonus minutes when Marbury goes down with an injury?
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7/23/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by misterearl:

codeunknown - how do you feel about Mardy Collins stepping in and receiving bonus minutes when Marbury goes down with an injury?

I'm all for him receiving bonus minutes even when Marbury is healthy.
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7/23/2007  3:17 PM
To reiterate the comments of other posters, I care about personality in as much as it affects Marbury's leadership on the court. An arrogant, bumbling fool won't inspire perfectionism in his teammates. It will create tension in the locker room and with coaches. After that interview, I genuinely distrust Marbury's ability to comply with even the simplest instruction, nevermind execute complex offensive schemes.

After a 10 year career why are people expecting this of him. He is what he is. Why do we keep expecting the guy to lead?
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7/23/2007  3:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Misterearl, I'm not saying I agree with you or disagree with you. Actually, I even agree that we have some nice compelling talent and we should definitely look foward to seeing how they can mesh together, all while hoping Eddie and Zack can play some defense.

However Misterearl, as much as us fans like to see the youthful flavor, it still hasn't brought us 2 things, and that's wins and a championship. Fans will start being optimistic and we will all be taking your side when we become contenders, and we will all, of course, be satisfied when we finally win a championship. However, we haven't even broken .500 since 2001, so you gotto be understanding that it's hard to really get amped up, until given true reason to.

In closing, this is an unproven team. Until we put a proven team on the court, you'll hear negativity rightfully so.

Absolutely 100% agree Allan. I couldn't put it any better.

Neither could I.

Anyone who thinks our fans will sit patiently through a blow-up and rebuild should print out AllanFan's post and paste it to their monitor.
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7/23/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
To reiterate the comments of other posters, I care about personality in as much as it affects Marbury's leadership on the court. An arrogant, bumbling fool won't inspire perfectionism in his teammates. It will create tension in the locker room and with coaches. After that interview, I genuinely distrust Marbury's ability to comply with even the simplest instruction, nevermind execute complex offensive schemes.

After a 10 year career why are people expecting this of him. He is what he is. Why do we keep expecting the guy to lead?

I expect him to kill a coach and maybe fight Q this season. Those are my expectations of Marbury.
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7/23/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by RemBee76:


Neither could I.

Anyone who thinks our fans will sit patiently through a blow-up and rebuild should print out AllanFan's post and paste it to their monitor.

The people who are bashing the current state of the Knicks are bashing it because it was a half-assed attempt at a rebuild, I don't care who wanted it that way or not. If Isiah chose to rebuild this through conventional ways, the reactions around this forum would sound quite a bit different.
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7/23/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by misterearl:

arkrud - c'mon.

Now Isiah is a disease?

I hear there are some discount fares to Jamaica.

If you cannot hear the truth you should watch TV man...
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7/23/2007  3:23 PM
bippity - excellent point. The Knicks leadership will come from within the next generation of players the franchise has acquired within the past three years.

I don't have a problem with watching the gradual transformation take place this season.

Marbury understands his window is closing and has already admitted his focus is on interests other than basketball. As it was with Ewing, the "Good Riddance" headline is already saved in the layout page and ready to run on a moments notice. Older gives way to younger.

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7/23/2007  3:36 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
If Isiah chose to rebuild this through conventional ways, the reactions around this forum would sound quite a bit different.

But you are contradicting the props you gave for Allanfan's post which was saying its all about the wins.

I give him props for being one of the few honest ones here. Hey, maybe you would sit patiently through a rebuild and the multiple losing seasons without being critical of the moves, or the players acquired, or the GM, or chanting "Fire ___" at the drafts. I'll take your word for it.

But you would be one of the few. Even here where "We Shoulda Rebuilt" is the UK Mafia's party line, certified members were saying Frye was "cooked" after his second game of his second season, claimed that Nate is "nuts", nodded in agreement with Larry Brown when he called Trevor Ariza "delusional" and reveled in fat jokes about Eddy Curry while judging that he had reached his ceiling at the ripe old age of 22.

Yeah, sounds like the ideal environment to rebuild a team in.

A) Don't think for a second that Dolan doesn't understand his market and doesn’t cater to this petulant peanut gallery and B) please don’t tell me it woulda all been different if we didn’t have Marbury, cause you know that’s bull ****.

Now continue with your regularly scheduled ranting.
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7/23/2007  3:36 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>>Kobe can get away with being arrogant because he produces on the court and won 3 titles.

Solace - c'mon, admit it... you would despise Marbury no matter what he did on the court. Did he steal your lunch money?

Absolutely untrue. Sorry, but as usual, you've clearly twisted the situation. I'm not surprised.
Posted by misterearl:

>>I think most of us are just tired of listening to Marbury.

Solace - most of us? please speak for yourself. As you can't bear the sight or sound of Marbury, why not just change the channel?

Who is forcing you to read or watch anything about him?

It's not as simple as changing the channel. First off, everyone on this forum is guilty of bringing up Marbury time and time again, so it becomes a discussion. Even though most on this board can't stand him. Second of all, why should I ignore him? He's the one repeatedly making a spectacle and fool out of himself in the media. He should shut up or give me his address so I can send him a muzzle for Christmas.
Posted by Bippity10:

Solace: 100% agree with you. I'm tired of hearing from him. I'm tired of hearing about him. The same people that say they are tired of hearing about him, are the same people that can't do anything but talk about him. It's an obsession.

I feel the same way you feel about him as a player. I can't wait until Isiah truly decides to move to the next generation and starts filling the most important position on the team, for the future. That being said this is an obsession for some. I'm almost rooting for someone to be caught up in this NBA ref betting problem so that we can talk about something else.

I think we're on the same page. You can see the effect on guys like Curry and that's the part that really disgusts me.
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7/23/2007  3:41 PM
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Solace - so please help me out here. Can you define what level of individual output on the court would make you satisfied with Marbury?

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