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MS
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7/20/2007  10:51 AM
Kurt Thomas would be expiring this season
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7/20/2007  11:04 AM
I think he will start, as last year he had the excuse of the injury that put him behind everyone else. I do believe IT will have a short leash around his neck, as we have plenty to fill the void in that area. (Balkman, Q,Chandler)
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7/20/2007  11:11 AM
Posted by MS:

Kurt Thomas would be expiring this season

What the Freak does this have to do with anything? Get in the damn game and stop living in the past. GEEZ!

In terms of Q, the guy is gonna play SG and Jared will start. It's the only logical thing to do. I believe that just like Q in his 1st yr, Jared just had an off season. Besides that I think that he's taking his offensive game more seriously this year and will be much more capable this year. If you watched him last year he actually put in a lot of work on his shooting form and started to improve. I wouldn't be to hasty in assuming that he can't get his game in gear and be a bit more dependable. This is not to say that he's gonna be hitting for a high % all year, but I think he'll be better. Likely better than Balkman is right now.

Jamal needs to come off the bench, cuz he's just too much of a vol. shooter. He needs to be on the floor with the 2nd unit. While I think he'll shoot better than he did last year, he's still not likely to be a high % shooter.
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7/20/2007  11:22 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by misterearl:

I hereby proclaim that with the addition of ZR, Jeffries is hereby prohibited from shooting.

If Jeffries doesn't shoot, other teams can double on Curry or Zack with no penalty.


Exactly...a lot of people are failing to grasp that its not ok for Jeffries to be zero offensive threat and not shoot the ball. It basically means we're playing 4 on 5. Some of the games last year Jeffries would occupy an entire quadrant of the court and no defenders would be there with him. His overall impact on the offense isn't zero- its an overwhelming negative.


[Edited by - vdesai on 07-20-2007 11:23 AM]
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7/20/2007  11:25 AM
Actually it has to do with we have two spots Q and Nate because of the deal, and would have had another expiring if Isiah wasn't trying to rush back the promise land, we never would have won 33 and 23 games with him and the bulls wouldn't have got two great picks, and isiah could have actually just drafted granger if he had this big idea of bringing in curry and we would have had two defenders at the 3-4......

Instead he rushed left the 3 vulnerable and signed jefferies traded for q, drafterd balkman and chandler and now we are strapped to play guys that are actually better than q and jefferies because of isiah.

Jamal is not coming off the bench isiah loves him and lets him do whatever he wants on the court. I don't care what jefferies has done during the summer, he is a liabilty on both ends of the floor and is probably the worst skilled player at his position in the league. Therefor he shouldn't start.....
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7/20/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by MS:

Kurt Thomas would be expiring this season

What the Freak does this have to do with anything? Get in the damn game and stop living in the past. GEEZ!

In terms of Q, the guy is gonna play SG and Jared will start. It's the only logical thing to do. I believe that just like Q in his 1st yr, Jared just had an off season. Besides that I think that he's taking his offensive game more seriously this year and will be much more capable this year. If you watched him last year he actually put in a lot of work on his shooting form and started to improve. I wouldn't be to hasty in assuming that he can't get his game in gear and be a bit more dependable. This is not to say that he's gonna be hitting for a high % all year, but I think he'll be better. Likely better than Balkman is right now.

Jamal needs to come off the bench, cuz he's just too much of a vol. shooter. He needs to be on the floor with the 2nd unit. While I think he'll shoot better than he did last year, he's still not likely to be a high % shooter.

If anything Jamal will start over Q. As far as shooting % Q and Jamal shoot the same % through out their careers. Q only played like 50 games both years that he has been a Knicks. Things did not start really improving with the Knicks last year with the Knicks until Jamal and Marbury were in the backcourt together.

Q is not a better shooter than Jamal their actually the same as far as shooting % for both of their careers. Also Q only averages like 50 games for his whole career. In Q's last interview during summer league he said that the only postion that is not a guranteed as far as starting is the sf.

Isiah is not going to go back to the Q in that backcourt experiment again for the 3rd year.

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7/20/2007  11:31 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by misterearl:

I hereby proclaim that with the addition of ZR, Jeffries is hereby prohibited from shooting.

If Jeffries doesn't shoot, other teams can double on Curry or Zack with no penalty.



Exactly...a lot of people are failing to grasp that its not ok for Jeffries to be zero offensive threat and not shoot the ball. It basically means we're playing 4 on 5. Some of the games last year Jeffries would occupy an entire quadrant of the court and no defenders would be there with him. His overall impact on the offense isn't zero- its an overwhelming negative.


[Edited by - vdesai on 07-20-2007 11:23 AM]

That's how I felt about Frye being on the court last year. As far as Jeffries I think Isiah might start him just so he can trade him during the deadline.

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7/20/2007  11:34 AM
The real problem with Curry and Zach is they are going to be in the post all night long, so if you decided to play q at the two, he is extremely effective getting in the post, which i think has been underutilized.

If q doesn't start at the 3 and isiah goes to jefferies and starts jamal, our most effective game changer doesn't get his 25 minutes a night, which is a huge problem, and it has to do with the inability to actually analyze a player before you make a deal........

Q has a back that can't be insured, perhaps there is a reason?
Jefferies averages 4pts 4rbs and has zero offensive ability and couldn't get easy baskets with Jamison, Butler and Arenas, maybe he just sucks?
Jerome James played 6 good games all season, perhaps i might not want to sign a guy thats never in shape?
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7/20/2007  11:38 AM
Posted by MS:

Actually it has to do with we have two spots Q and Nate because of the deal, and would have had another expiring if Isiah wasn't trying to rush back the promise land, we never would have won 33 and 23 games with him and the bulls wouldn't have got two great picks, and isiah could have actually just drafted granger if he had this big idea of bringing in curry and we would have had two defenders at the 3-4......
1st off you don't know what we would've done with KT still here. The guy has been injured over that time period. He's played 53 and 67 games, so like Q he hasn't been able to stay on the court either. The team could still just as easily have lost big over the last 2 years. I don't worry about Granger being missed out on. He's a fine player, but we've done well for ourselves in the draft anyway.
Posted by MS:

Instead he rushed left the 3 vulnerable and signed jefferies traded for q, drafterd balkman and chandler and now we are strapped to play guys that are actually better than q and jefferies because of isiah.

Jamal is not coming off the bench isiah loves him and lets him do whatever he wants on the court. I don't care what jefferies has done during the summer, he is a liabilty on both ends of the floor and is probably the worst skilled player at his position in the league. Therefor he shouldn't start.....

Q when healthy is currently better than our draft picks. Jared had his problems but he knows the league and has the added advantage of size that our other picks don't have. If this guy can show a bit more offense this year he'll help this team. It's not impossible for him to improve his shot. He can be a very helpful player for this team but I think last year just didn't work out for him.

Isiah realizes that Jamal needs to come off the bench. I don't know where you get the idea that he's so in love with him that he won't bench him. He'll still get his minutes, but I think he's not going to start him with the make up of this roster.
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7/20/2007  11:47 AM
Jamal played 38 minutes a night, shot 40% from the field 32% from three played no defense, was never pulled from games and had the green light. I think that is a good indication that he loves jamal. Other players were not given that luxury.

Kurt would have given the team some leadership defense, and spaced the floor the way frye didn't, he was not meant to play uptempo and actually is one of the few players that actually messed with marbury. But like everyone who had a problem with marbury isiah moved him, tried to do the same thing with q as well. An AD-Kurt tandem would have righted the ship, enough.

Jefferies sucks, he has no use to this team he showed it last year, he has a repuation around the league of folding under pressure and anytime people are critical of him.

Isiah needs to get rid of jamal, i wouldn't be opposed to nate starting at the two, i though he was good next to marbury during the teams 6 game winning streak, i just need energy out there at all times and jamal doesn't give you that energy lift as a start, bring him off the bench if you want, but this team needs to get rid of half the roster to open up more role playing minutes, thats whats wrong right now, and jefferies serves no role so he isn't a role player
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7/20/2007  12:18 PM
Balkman, Lee and Crawford off the bench is deadly....
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7/20/2007  1:57 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by MS:

Kurt Thomas would be expiring this season

What the Freak does this have to do with anything? Get in the damn game and stop living in the past. GEEZ!

In terms of Q, the guy is gonna play SG and Jared will start. It's the only logical thing to do. I believe that just like Q in his 1st yr, Jared just had an off season. Besides that I think that he's taking his offensive game more seriously this year and will be much more capable this year. If you watched him last year he actually put in a lot of work on his shooting form and started to improve. I wouldn't be to hasty in assuming that he can't get his game in gear and be a bit more dependable. This is not to say that he's gonna be hitting for a high % all year, but I think he'll be better. Likely better than Balkman is right now.

Jamal needs to come off the bench, cuz he's just too much of a vol. shooter. He needs to be on the floor with the 2nd unit. While I think he'll shoot better than he did last year, he's still not likely to be a high % shooter.

Thanks Nix for insider info
We can close the thread - we know who will start.
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Yes, here's why:
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7/20/2007  7:11 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by MS:

Actually it has to do with we have two spots Q and Nate because of the deal, and would have had another expiring if Isiah wasn't trying to rush back the promise land, we never would have won 33 and 23 games with him and the bulls wouldn't have got two great picks, and isiah could have actually just drafted granger if he had this big idea of bringing in curry and we would have had two defenders at the 3-4......
1st off you don't know what we would've done with KT still here. The guy has been injured over that time period. He's played 53 and 67 games, so like Q he hasn't been able to stay on the court either. The team could still just as easily have lost big over the last 2 years. I don't worry about Granger being missed out on. He's a fine player, but we've done well for ourselves in the draft anyway.
Posted by MS:

Instead he rushed left the 3 vulnerable and signed jefferies traded for q, drafterd balkman and chandler and now we are strapped to play guys that are actually better than q and jefferies because of isiah.

Jamal is not coming off the bench isiah loves him and lets him do whatever he wants on the court. I don't care what jefferies has done during the summer, he is a liabilty on both ends of the floor and is probably the worst skilled player at his position in the league. Therefor he shouldn't start.....

Q when healthy is currently better than our draft picks. Jared had his problems but he knows the league and has the added advantage of size that our other picks don't have. If this guy can show a bit more offense this year he'll help this team. It's not impossible for him to improve his shot. He can be a very helpful player for this team but I think last year just didn't work out for him.

Isiah realizes that Jamal needs to come off the bench. I don't know where you get the idea that he's so in love with him that he won't bench him. He'll still get his minutes, but I think he's not going to start him with the make up of this roster.

You have made some good points about Jeffries but I think there is a chance that he might start just so he can get trade value for the deadline. After all who started this rumor that he now has a jumpshot and looks like a new person. Could it be the Knicks themselves?

As far as Jamal, I think he is going to start as long as he is able to work with Marbury in the backcourt. The Q experiment has not work for two years in the backcourt with Marbury. Isiah made Jamal a starter last year for a reason. It is because he is better as a starter than a bench player for the team. Jamal allows Marbury to have freedom to play defense and to score. Jamal is the only player that can feed the post and give the players the ball where they need it. Now you have Zach and Curry you need Jamal in the starting lineup more than ever. Do we really want to go back to Q in the backcourt where he can't feed the post and does not help with bring up the ball?

Jamal's role will be a facilitator for the offense.

Why go back to starting Q in the beginning only for the same thing to happen again where he gets injured and Jamal is placed in the starting line up? Remember Q said that Jamal, Zach, Marbury, Curry are starters and he will have to earn his spot.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-20-2007 7:13 PM]
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