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7/17/2007  4:23 PM
I'm with you Enyspree. I am not a Marbs fan. I can say that I really don't like him. But this shoe thing is nothing but a good thing. OUtside of it being called charity when it really isn't, what is the complaint?
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7/17/2007  4:25 PM

If there is a market for $200 shoes then so be it. Bashing jordan has nothing to do with it. Free market.

Just like there is nothing wrong with $14.95 sneakers that fulfil a market and turn a profit to the distributer.

Marbury is not doing anything wrong, just not doing anything all that great than attach his name to a shoe and having a very pleasent nervous breakdown.

And those critical of him are so because he is riding the bus looking for love (Wookin Pa Nub?) and telling everyone that basketball is not that important anymore. That makes some folk nervous.









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7/17/2007  4:28 PM
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If there is a market for $200 shoes then so be it. Bashing jordan has nothing to do with it. Free market.

Just like there is nothing wrong with $14.95 sneakers that fulfil a market and turn a profit to the distributer.

Marbury is not doing anything wrong, just not doing anything all that great than attach his name to a shoe and having a very pleasent nervous breakdown.

And those critical of him are so because he is riding the bus looking for love (Wookin Pa Nub?) and telling everyone that basketball is not that important anymore. That makes some folk nervous.







I'm under the impression that basketball was never really all that important to Marbs. If it was he probably would have listened to the coach's more.

Anyone who sells shoes is looking for profit. Marbs is, more power to him. I do think it's a falsehood when it's promoted as charity and when I hear that word I cringe. But marketing it as something for the poor.As a good thing for the poor. AS trying to change the attitudes of the poor and giving them an inexpensive shoe to buy instead of spending billions on a shoe they don't need is a good thing. Marbs thinks he is changing the world. He isn't, but there is nothing wrong with him saying so.
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7/17/2007  4:31 PM
As for Jordan selling his shoe for $275 or whatever they sell it for, more power to him as well. Why should he have to come down in price? Why do people feel entitled to own his shoe? Should Mercedes be blasted for selling their CL600 for 100K? Should they lower the price for the poor? No.

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you can't afford it, you probably don't need it. It's the attitude that needs to change, not the price of the shoes.
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7/17/2007  4:39 PM

Magic Johnson does 100 times more to "change the world" and profits from it but needs not to babble on about it.

Investment sustains viability.

Magic has done well with his portfolio or real estate and has created many jobs. He did this before cities became cool again!
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7/17/2007  4:46 PM
He's trying to show people you don't have to spend or commit crimes to have certain things. To some extent that's the purpose of Steve and Barry. The got Sarah Michelle from sex in the city to do a womana line. They have ladies shoes on that end also. Their mission is the same.

And yeah they are gonna make a profit but who cares if they are getting money if they are doing it and still providing good mega inexpensive stuff. At least it shows they are aware of what's going on around them.
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7/17/2007  4:50 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Magic Johnson does 100 times more to "change the world" and profits from it but needs not to babble on about it.

Investment sustains viability.

Magic has done well with his portfolio or real estate and has created many jobs. He did this before cities became cool again!

One person raises $500 for a homeless shelter and tells noone about it. Another person does it and tells everyone in the world that he did it so that he can get credit. He wants people to tell him what a great person he is. He's agenda driven. But in the end when you wash away what both people are saying/or not saying, they both did a good deed. Shouldn't that be what matters?
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7/17/2007  4:54 PM
To me it makes me wonder about our society and why we feel that we need Michael Jordan's shoes. I go to the store and buy $50 Nikes not because I can't afford the $150 dollar sneakers but because I know the $50 dollar ones are just as comfortable, last just as long and 90% of the time are lighter and work better for basketball. With the extra $100 I put into my savings account or take my girl out to a nice dinner.

Other's buy the $150 shoe and then complain about how poor they are. That's the problem, not whether Marbs calls it charity or not.
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7/17/2007  5:34 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with you Enyspree. I am not a Marbs fan. I can say that I really don't like him. But this shoe thing is nothing but a good thing. OUtside of it being called charity when it really isn't, what is the complaint?


That's just it. bip, what are the "complaints" you refer to? As far as the shoe gig goes most of what you and others construe as criticism is poking holes in the notion of this as a charitable venture (which it might become if he keeps giving it away on his dime). The rest is criticizing marbury's self aggrandizing notions, which seems to transcend both basketball and the shoes, but that is hardly a function of the shoe venture itself, that is about Marbury's persona, and "cries for help" as you so aptly put it.

So again, what are the complaints about the shoe gig that you feel are so unjustified in contrast to your own strident complaints about it not being charity and him taking it all too personally?

If I may be completely honest, this just looks like you trying to have your cake and eat it too. You get to criticize others who criticize Marbury while you criticize him on the same grounds they do.
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7/17/2007  5:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Nalod:


Magic Johnson does 100 times more to "change the world" and profits from it but needs not to babble on about it.

Investment sustains viability.

Magic has done well with his portfolio or real estate and has created many jobs. He did this before cities became cool again!

One person raises $500 for a homeless shelter and tells noone about it. Another person does it and tells everyone in the world that he did it so that he can get credit. He wants people to tell him what a great person he is. He's agenda driven. But in the end when you wash away what both people are saying/or not saying, they both did a good deed. Shouldn't that be what matters?

What if the first person only makes $2000 a month but still takes that $500 straight out of his pocket, while the second person makes $100,000 a month but will only give up to $500 from his profits in a business targeting low income families, not out of his own pocket.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with you Enyspree. I am not a Marbs fan. I can say that I really don't like him. But this shoe thing is nothing but a good thing. OUtside of it being called charity when it really isn't, what is the complaint?


That's just it. bip, what are the "complaints" you refer to? As far as the shoe gig goes most of what you and others construe as criticism is poking holes in the notion of this as a charitable venture (which it might become if he keeps giving it away on his dime). The rest is criticizing marbury's self aggrandizing notions, which seems to transcend both basketball and the shoes, but that is hardly a function of the shoe venture itself, that is about Marbury's persona, and "cries for help" as you so aptly put it.

So again, what are the complaints about the shoe gig that you feel are so unjustified in contrast to your own strident complaints about it not being charity and him taking it all too personally?

If I may be completely honest, this just looks like you trying to have your cake and eat it too. You get to criticize others who criticize Marbury while you criticize him on the same grounds they do.

Blueseats: Everytime there is a post on this topic, before I open it up there are at least three people that I know will be involved. It doesn't matter what the original intent of the post was. It could be the poster applauding Marbs for his charity work. It could be the poster just posting an article and offering no opinion. It could be someone posting the article to bash Marbs. Regardless, when I open it up I know that these three or so people will be attached to the post coming on to destroy any positive associated with it. When you have nothing positive to say about it, it comes off as you bashing the entire operation whether you think it does or not. I can use Nixluva as an example. The guy defends everything that is associated with the Knicks. So when he says something negative, even if he thinks he's being honest noone buys it. That's how I feel about you in this situation. I have never heard you say a positive thing about Marbs in any way shape or form so that when you say there is nothing wrong with the concept of the shoes, I'm not buying it. Like Nixluva with everything Knick and like MS with Jamal, you lose a semblance of credibility.

I know three months from now, if we had never had this conversation, if someone posted that they like that Marb's is marketing his shoe to the poor you would be attached to that post tearing it apart.
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7/17/2007  6:05 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Everytime there is a post on this topic, before I open it up there are at least three people that I know will be involved...Regardless, when I open it up I know that these three or so people will be attached to the post coming on to destroy any positive associated with it.

Followed by steady back-pedalling, "what, what did I say?"

I like how Isles now refers to the venture as Marbury "targeting" the poor, like he is a slum lord or street-corner drug dealer.

Hey, lebron James' $150 shoe is "targeting" the poor too, and if a kid can spend 10x less and still feel as good, ain't nothing wrong with that.

Perhaps lost in this conversation is the fact that Marbury owns equity in the venture, compared to all other athletes who sign endorsement deals. As Marbury says "I'd rather own than be owned."

In a society where far too few Black Men own, ain't nothing wrong with setting that positive example, and yes, continuing that movement, either.



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7/17/2007  6:36 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Bippity10:

Everytime there is a post on this topic, before I open it up there are at least three people that I know will be involved...Regardless, when I open it up I know that these three or so people will be attached to the post coming on to destroy any positive associated with it.

Followed by steady back-pedalling, "what, what did I say?"

I like how Isles now refers to the venture as Marbury "targeting" the poor, like he is a slum lord or street-corner drug dealer.

Hey, lebron James' $150 shoe is "targeting" the poor too, and if a kid can spend 10x less and still feel as good, ain't nothing wrong with that.

Perhaps lost in this conversation is the fact that Marbury owns equity in the venture, compared to all other athletes who sign endorsement deals. As Marbury says "I'd rather own than be owned."

In a society where far too few Black Men own, ain't nothing wrong with setting that positive example, and yes, continuing that movement, either.

I like how RemBee now classifies it as a "venture" and not a charity.

Please show me where I ever referred to it as anything other than a venture targeting low income families.
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7/17/2007  6:46 PM
It's time for a monthly Mission Statement from Bundybury himself


"This is about you and me. This is about you and me changing the world. This is about you and me saying it's not about the commercials, the gimmicks, the dollar signs. This is about you and me showing the world that it can be done. Starbury is my life. This line was built on what I've been through. From Coney Island to Madison Square Garden. These are the shoes I wear on the court; these are the clothes I wear off it. This is what I believe in. I'm tired of people saying it can't be done. Change the world with me."


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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-17-2007 6:06 PM]
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7/17/2007  6:48 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's time for a monthly Mission Statement from Bundybury himself


"This is about you and me. This is about you and me changing the world. This is about you and me saying it's not about the commercials, the gimmicks, the dollar signs. This is about you and me showing the world that it can be done. Starbury is my life. This line was built on what I've been through. From Coney Island to Madison Square Garden. These are the shoes I wear on the court; these are the clothes I wear off it. This is what I believe in. I'm tired of people saying it can't be done. Change the world with me."


Strike up the Johnny Carson Music as I laugh in like Ed Mcmahon!!!!!!!!!




[Edited by - bigbeast on 17-07-2007 6:48 PM]
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7/17/2007  6:49 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with you Enyspree. I am not a Marbs fan. I can say that I really don't like him. But this shoe thing is nothing but a good thing. OUtside of it being called charity when it really isn't, what is the complaint?


That's just it. bip, what are the "complaints" you refer to? As far as the shoe gig goes most of what you and others construe as criticism is poking holes in the notion of this as a charitable venture (which it might become if he keeps giving it away on his dime). The rest is criticizing marbury's self aggrandizing notions, which seems to transcend both basketball and the shoes, but that is hardly a function of the shoe venture itself, that is about Marbury's persona, and "cries for help" as you so aptly put it.

So again, what are the complaints about the shoe gig that you feel are so unjustified in contrast to your own strident complaints about it not being charity and him taking it all too personally?

If I may be completely honest, this just looks like you trying to have your cake and eat it too. You get to criticize others who criticize Marbury while you criticize him on the same grounds they do.

Blueseats: Everytime there is a post on this topic, before I open it up there are at least three people that I know will be involved. It doesn't matter what the original intent of the post was. It could be the poster applauding Marbs for his charity work. It could be the poster just posting an article and offering no opinion. It could be someone posting the article to bash Marbs. Regardless, when I open it up I know that these three or so people will be attached to the post coming on to destroy any positive associated with it. When you have nothing positive to say about it, it comes off as you bashing the entire operation whether you think it does or not. I can use Nixluva as an example. The guy defends everything that is associated with the Knicks. So when he says something negative, even if he thinks he's being honest noone buys it. That's how I feel about you in this situation. I have never heard you say a positive thing about Marbs in any way shape or form so that when you say there is nothing wrong with the concept of the shoes, I'm not buying it. Like Nixluva with everything Knick and like MS with Jamal, you lose a semblance of credibility.

I know three months from now, if we had never had this conversation, if someone posted that they like that Marb's is marketing his shoe to the poor you would be attached to that post tearing it apart.

One of the realest posts I've seen on here in a long time.
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7/17/2007  7:07 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's time for a monthly Mission Statement from Bundybury himself


"This is about you and me. This is about you and me changing the world. This is about you and me saying it's not about the commercials, the gimmicks, the dollar signs. This is about you and me showing the world that it can be done. Starbury is my life. This line was built on what I've been through. From Coney Island to Madison Square Garden. These are the shoes I wear on the court; these are the clothes I wear off it. This is what I believe in. I'm tired of people saying it can't be done. Change the world with me."


Strike up the Johnny Carson Music as I laugh in like Ed Mcmahon!!!!!!!!!




[Edited by - bigbeast on 17-07-2007 6:48 PM]


Cat got your tongue bigbeast?
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7/17/2007  9:02 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:

It's time for a monthly Mission Statement from Bundybury himself


"This is about you and me. This is about you and me changing the world. This is about you and me saying it's not about the commercials, the gimmicks, the dollar signs. This is about you and me showing the world that it can be done. Starbury is my life. This line was built on what I've been through. From Coney Island to Madison Square Garden. These are the shoes I wear on the court; these are the clothes I wear off it. This is what I believe in. I'm tired of people saying it can't be done. Change the world with me."


Strike up the Johnny Carson Music as I laugh in like Ed Mcmahon!!!!!!!!!




[Edited by - bigbeast on 17-07-2007 6:48 PM]


Cat got your tongue bigbeast?

Nah...I quoted the wrong post...
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