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Nate Robinson or Dan Dickau - Who should stay?


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kam77
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Before Summer League, the vote was 16 to 10 in favor of getting rid of Nate and keeping Dickau. http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=22433 What about now? Who should we keep on our roster?
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knicks1248
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7/16/2007  11:57 PM
Yeah those rookies played real well in a primarily rookie camp, but they will be expose when it comes to the real deal.
I will take vetership over rookies any day of the week.. Lee, nate, balkman and mardy, thats enough young talant on a team to build already, sit those guys (rookies) on the side but not in case of injuries, which killed us last year. We were force to play our young guys who could not finish games and made countless erros which pretty much cost us the season.

Guys like jones and dan are assets, and can be effective, Just can't keep both

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7/17/2007  12:15 AM
Posted by knicks1248:

Yeah those rookies played real well in a primarily rookie camp, but they will be expose when it comes to the real deal.
I will take vetership over rookies any day of the week.. Lee, nate, balkman and mardy, thats enough young talant on a team to build already, sit those guys (rookies) on the side but not in case of injuries, which killed us last year. We were force to play our young guys who could not finish games and made countless erros which pretty much cost us the season.

Guys like jones and dan are assets, and can be effective, Just can't keep both

You must have missed the past two years where the rookies were better than the vets and were the only reason why we won a lot of games and the only reason we were even in others.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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7/17/2007  1:06 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by knicks1248:

Yeah those rookies played real well in a primarily rookie camp, but they will be expose when it comes to the real deal.
I will take vetership over rookies any day of the week.. Lee, nate, balkman and mardy, thats enough young talant on a team to build already, sit those guys (rookies) on the side but not in case of injuries, which killed us last year. We were force to play our young guys who could not finish games and made countless erros which pretty much cost us the season.

Guys like jones and dan are assets, and can be effective, Just can't keep both

You must have missed the past two years where the rookies were better than the vets and were the only reason why we won a lot of games and the only reason we were even in others.

Just looking at the SL team you have to kind of like the way they look together. Nate, Balk, Chan, DNich and Morris did some serious work and they played unselfishly. They were a joy to watch, cuz they played like a team and defended. Our young guys all look useful. There's no garbage guys that you know won't make the team. Isiah makes the most of his picks.

Dan has he most interest cuz he's a PG, but he's never really caught on, so what makes him special. In Nate you know what kind of talent is under the hood. You just need to harness it. Nare can actually have an impact on a game. Dan would be a useful player if we weren't already crowded.
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7/17/2007  1:49 AM
if it were up to me, i'd trade both of them in a deal to get a shotblocker... Nate doesn't have much of a place on this team as long as Marbury & Jamal are handling most of the perimeter scoring load... despite what he showed in SL this year, i still regard him as a SG in a tiny PG's body... he's still going to be a liability on defense & isn't a better scorer than either Marbs or Jamal are while Mardy is a good backup PG that plays solid defense & can guard some 3's even.... so what purpose do either of those guys have on this team really? take advantage of Dickau's expiring contract & Nate's good performance in SL, & make a trade to upgrade the roster in an area of real need.
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7/17/2007  2:04 AM
a real need of the roster is 3-point shooting and nate is going to provide that.

on top of that, after marbury's 30+ mpg and crawford's 30+ mpg, who is getting the remaining 30 minutes or so? collins and nate. collins brings the defense and pass-first mentality, and nate can D up the other PG while stretching the D.
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7/17/2007  2:14 AM
you forgot Q Rich. We have a glut at the SF position right now, & would be good to get Nichols & Chandler into the rotation at some point during the season, so that moves Q Rich to the G position on certain rotations. Nate has no real purpose on this team that isn't already filled by other players. His value may be at its highest right now after his SL performance. It's a good time to deal him IMO.
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7/17/2007  2:30 AM
Q has played more than 70 games once in the last 5 years.

my point is what are you going to deal nate for? another shooter? he already shoots the rock at 40% from downtown and seems to be finally listening to coaches and doing/focusing/concentrating on what hes told.

i was at summer league yesterday, nate was the only guy IN THE TOURNAMENT who was on the bench the ENTIRE game talking to the team, yelling things out, and talking on D when in the game. literally so loud you could hear it in the stands. he played under control the whole time and dominated, his team was undefeated and he was MVP. granted its SL but still, in person, its impressive and still the best 19-24 yo's in the world not in the NBA, trying to make it.

nate can get mop up duty when Q is in and when Q is out he can play for stretches. if you deal nate, its at that point, when he's playing against NBA comp. for 25 mpg and putting up #'s, not on a SL performance.

and @ that point, why even trade him if he's doing everything you ask of him and is such a freak athletically?

plus i imagine the minutes at 3 are going to be divided by Q, balkman, lee (when z-bo and curry are both on the floor), and even crawford (when 2 of marbury/mardy/nate are playing together).
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7/17/2007  6:23 AM
Last year we struggle mightly down the stretch with absoluetly no perimeter attack. We have 2 of the best post up players in the league, it is a no brainer that you sorround them with shooters. Trading nate is retarded unless your adressing a need.
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7/17/2007  9:43 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Q has played more than 70 games once in the last 5 years.

my point is what are you going to deal nate for? another shooter? he already shoots the rock at 40% from downtown and seems to be finally listening to coaches and doing/focusing/concentrating on what hes told.

i was at summer league yesterday, nate was the only guy IN THE TOURNAMENT who was on the bench the ENTIRE game talking to the team, yelling things out, and talking on D when in the game. literally so loud you could hear it in the stands. he played under control the whole time and dominated, his team was undefeated and he was MVP. granted its SL but still, in person, its impressive and still the best 19-24 yo's in the world not in the NBA, trying to make it.

nate can get mop up duty when Q is in and when Q is out he can play for stretches. if you deal nate, its at that point, when he's playing against NBA comp. for 25 mpg and putting up #'s, not on a SL performance.

and @ that point, why even trade him if he's doing everything you ask of him and is such a freak athletically?

plus i imagine the minutes at 3 are going to be divided by Q, balkman, lee (when z-bo and curry are both on the floor), and even crawford (when 2 of marbury/mardy/nate are playing together).

we have shooters... we need a shotblocker... Nate is surplus on this team & we still need to fill some other areas of need... Isiah did a good job drafting Nichols & Chandler from the looks of it so far IMO... if we can deal Nate, Dickau & Jones & bring in a shotblocking presence, i make the deal... otherwise waive Dickau & keep Nate... i just think the time to trade Nate is when he's playing well & has other teams noticing what he can do to get max value.
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7/17/2007  9:52 AM
What is the point of trading Nate for a shotblocking presence that will play behind Curry and Zack? The only place we can get significant shotblocking out of is the starting SF. Someone like Josh Smith or Gerald Wallace. Those are the guys you can trade Nate for if you can. But I doubt their respective teams will trade either one of those guys for Nate and filler (and yes Jones and Dickau are just that, filler).
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/17/2007  11:54 AM
No kidding they're filler. I never said they weren't, did I?

Nate is playing behind Marbs & Jamal, what's the difference? We don't have any shotblockers. We have shooters. If you can trade Nate to fill a need, you do it.
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7/17/2007  1:02 PM
Trade Marbury. Start Jamal and Mardy, bring N8 off the bench.
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7/17/2007  1:13 PM
Please. Nate is a better player TODAY and has higher upside. Dickau had 1 good season in his NBA career. Even then, his numbers were only marginally more in 29mpg than what Nate puts up in 20mpg.

Dickau is also another shortie.

Against some teams (namely teams that have PGs like Dickau who get a lot of minutes) - Nate can score at will.

If you can package Nate and another player for a clear upgrade, sure. But please, Nate vs Dickau, no contest. Keep Nate.

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7/17/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by kam77:

Trade Marbury. Start Jamal and Mardy, bring N8 off the bench.

word.
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7/17/2007  1:25 PM
I think the "Trade Marbury" wishes need to be put to bed. I think he ends his career here (unless he asks for another ridiculous payday).
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7/17/2007  1:42 PM
unfortunately, you're probably right.
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7/17/2007  1:57 PM
Lets be honest, Nate is just not a good fit on this team as currently constructed. Plus, if Nate keeps trying to split the D (as he did in summer league) he will only generate more careless turnovers in the regular season, which we don't need. Dickau is a servicable back up to Mardy and insurance when/if Marbury goes down. Nate is a talent and should be a good player in this league with the right team. We should use him as trade bait for Ron-Ron once Bibby gets traded
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7/17/2007  1:58 PM
There's a reason why they call him Dan "The Disaster" Dickau. I'd take Nate over him any day.
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