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Obviously I will be looked at as impartial here but I think the time has come and most would agree that we need to move one of these guys. And a lot of fans see Crawford and his hot streaks and endless talent and believe he is one of the most important players on the team and can't be moved. But the fact remains Jamal is not a starter on a good nba team and he isn't the same player coming off the bench. I just can't explain this love affair for Crawford. We have two very poor defenders up front that are supposed to protect the rim. And our guards are supposed to stop people from getting to the basket? But add Crawford into the mix and you have three awful defenders and Marbury is just ok when he wants to be. Jamal 17.6pts 4.4ass 3.2rbs 40% 32%3fg 04-05 39% 36%3 2.11tos 38min 05-06 41% 34%3 2.22tos 32min 06-07 40% 32%3 2.75tos 37min Nate 10.1pts 2.0ass 2.0rbs 43% 39%3fg 05-06 40% 39%3 1.58tos 21min 06-07 43% 39%3 1.13tos 21min There is this notion that Jamal can improve, I just don't see how it's the case, he is always going to be the same player especially under Isiah who holds Crawford to a different standard, any coach that gives a guy the green light and doesn't bench him for his defense isn't really coaching. Nate can flat out shoot, and he does it at a higher rate than jamal, and can become a player maker. If the object is to space the floor I would rather have Nate doing it.
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7/16/2007  11:22 AM
Seriously what the **** have we seen out of jamal. I am not basing this on the fact that i don't like his game i am basing this on knowing the game, knowing what wins and building for the future. Getting rid of a contract that will reach 9/10 million for a player that is one way and doesn't put wins on the board. Jamal literally shoots 30-35% for forty games a season and just sinks the ship when he does so.

All i know is we have mardy collins, he is big, can defend is smart and put up nice numbers in every area of the game. You have Nicholas waiting who can play better defense and probably shoot the three better. You have balkman who can harass two guards and doesn't need to shoot the ball to be effective, and you have nate who by all accounts could be one of the higher percentage shooters from downtown who you can play limited minutes and he isn't making that much money.

What are you getting for crawford he is a 40% shooter that doesn't play defense that has never been to the playoffs, you want to compare him to arenas you can do that but the fact of the matter is that gilbert has gotten his team to the playoffs and almost got the warriors there a few years ago.

So my opinion is based on the following, I didn't like the move to begin with when there was very limited interest in him three years ago, even with the world of talent, three years later he is still playing no defense, shooting it the same, and killing the offense with his off balanced shots, his rushed shots that lead to transition hoops and his inability to guard anyone.

But he hits big shots which we need because he probably shot us out of games, occasionally goes off and looks like one of the best players in the league which makes everyone believe that 41 ****ty games, and 41 good ones are worth it.
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7/16/2007  11:24 AM
Posted by TMS:

or did you just post this poll to harp again on how much you despise Jamal's game?

i guess i just got my answer

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7/16/2007  11:57 AM
Nate has to show me that Ruckerball is out of his head when playing for the knicks, when he goes up against real NBA starters.
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7/16/2007  12:07 PM
If Jamal goes, who plays the 2? 5'9 Nate? Brokeback Q? If your asking who would I rather have at the 2 between Nate and Jamal, I have to go with Jamal. Wouldn't cry if Jamal was traded, but MS, Jamal has more value than to just give him away fro an expiring.
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7/16/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by TMS:

i'm sorry, Jamal > Nate, it's not even close

what are you asking here anyway? to select who you want to keep, or get rid of? or did you just post this poll to harp again on how much you despise Jamal's game?

[Edited by - TMS on 07-16-2007 11:10 AM]

Jamal is better than Nate- but I think I'd rather throw nichols out there as the starting 2, have Mardy & Nate off the bench- and have a more balanced back court.

Someone asked this- what is Nate?

Same question for Crawford- what is he?

Is he a PG? maybe.

Is he a SG? not really- he isn't strong enough to defend the position and doesn't shoot well enough except for a handful of games where he is unconscious.

Should he be starting? No.
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7/16/2007  12:10 PM
I actually think Jamal brings a lot of the game if you can lower his chucking a bit. People are getting excited over Nate. Frankly, Nate might be a more talented player, but he's 5'9" or smaller. His height disadvantage is HUGE. It may not show in summer league, but height is very important and is the #1 reason why he will never be a starter in the NBA. Jamal brings a lot of things to the table that Nate could never hope to bring, purely on the size. I don't see Nate having a role unless you want a spark off the bench.
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7/16/2007  12:22 PM
This is not even close. Jamal.

Also you people that claim that Jamal is our worst shooter really need to look at Q's career shooting numbers. Q and Jamal have had the same shooting percentages for their entire career's.

Also if you have a problem with shooting percentage that means that the Pistons have to cut Billups because his shooting number are around the same as Jamal with more turnovers per game.
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7/16/2007  12:26 PM
I'll keep Jamal

1. He is a better player
2. He has more value
3. I hate to say it, but I'm not 'fooled' by Nates summer-league performance.
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7/16/2007  12:27 PM
Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.

I disagree if anything Isiah has long plans for Jamal. Isiah brought in 3 players that already have a connection with Jamal. Nate his HS friend. Curry his friend from Chitown. Q is one of Jamal's best friends from around the league. Right now Jamal is the best passer on the team plain and simple. Nate does not play defense at all. Nate never fight through picks. Nate also does not pass or know how to create plays for other players. Jamal atleast guards point guards while Marbury guards shooting guards.

If people think that Nate has more of a future on this team than Jamal then I don't know what to say. This is the same Isiah that flip out when Jamal got injuried. Do people even think Isiah even cares if Nate got injuried or is even on this team?

Nate knows his days are getting numbered. This is the main reason why he is at summer league. There have been people inside MSG that have said that Isiah and Nate's relationship was not good at all. Now people believe that Nate is going to be here for the long run?

When Q went down Isiah had no reaction to the media, yet when Jamal went down he said he would love to have a copy of him on the court.

If anything, Isiah is looking for a replacement for Q. And again Q shoots the same shooting precentage as Jamal career wise. Q also can not play the 2 guard well. Q playing the 2 is one of the main reasons he get's injury most of the time. Q is sf. This is why Q said has said he has to fight for his starting position when the season starts because we already have Jamal, Marbury, Zach, and Curry as starters. The sf positon is up in the air. Also Q has only played around 50 games for use in the last two seasons. So do people really think Isiahis not trying to replace Q?


[Edited by - BigC on 07-16-2007 12:50 PM]
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.

I disagree if anything Isiah has long plans for Jamal. Isiah brought in 3 players that already have a connection with Jamal. Nate his HS friend. Curry his friend from Chitown. Q is one of Jamal's best from around the league. Right now Jamal is the best passer on the team plain and simple. Nate does not play defense at all. Nate never fight through picks. Jamal atleast guards point guards while Marbury guards shooting guards.

If people think that Nate has more of the future on this team than Jamal then I don't know what to say. This is the same Isiah that flip out when Jamal got injuried. Do people even think Isiah even cares if Nate got injuried or is even on this team?

Nate knows his days are getting numbered. This is the main reason why he is at summer league. Their have been people inside the MSG that have said that Isiah and Nate's relationship was not good at all. Now people believe that Nate is going to be here for the long run?

When Q went down Isiah had no reaction to the media, yet when Jamal went down he said he would love to have a copy of him on the court.

If anything, Isiah is looking for replacement for Q. And again Q shoots the same shooting precentage as Jamal career wise. Q also can not play the 2 guard well. Q playing the 2 is one of the main reasons he get's injury most of the time. Q is sf. This is why Q said he has to fight for starting position when the season starts because we already have Jamal, Marbury, Zach, and Curry as starters. The sf positon is up in the air.

bigc, how would you use jamal on this team? starter? 6th man? point guard?
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7/16/2007  12:49 PM
Here is your answer, I am not biased in the least bit, just correct look at the breakdown of Crawford's games over the past two years

2006-07

Feb 25 4 15 26.7
Feb 23 5 15 33.3
Feb 21 3 12 25.0
Feb 14 3 10 30.0
Feb 3 1 4 25.0
Jan 30 5 15 33.3
Jan 28 9 24 37.5
Jan 19 3 10 30.0
Jan 17 3 13 23.1
Jan 15 3 11 27.3
Jan 12 4 13 30.8
Jan 10 4 12 33.3
Jan 5 8 26 30.8
Dec 31 2 8 25.0
Dec 23 9 23 39.1
Dec 20 9 23 39.1
Dec 18 6 26 23.1
Dec 16 1 9 11.1
Dec 13 3 10 30.0
Dec 11 5 17 29.4
Dec 6 4 14 28.6
Dec 4 0 8 0.0
Dec 2 4 13 30.8
Nov 24 1 6 16.7
Nov 20 8 21 38.1
Nov 15 1 6 16.7
Nov 10 7 20 35.0
Nov 6 3 8 37.5
Nov 4 2 9 22.2
Nov 3 1 8 12.5
Nov 1 4 22 18.2

31 games out of 59 that he shot under 40%

2005-2006
Apr 19 7 18 38.9
Apr 14 2 12 16.7
Apr 13 6 17 35.3
Apr 7 7 19 36.8
Apr 4 3 11 27.3
Mar 31 5 13 38.5
Mar 29 2 5 40.0
Mar 22 3 8 37.5
Mar 11 1 6 16.7
Mar 3 0 6 0.0
Mar 1 3 5 60.0
Feb 25 1 4 25.0
Feb 24 0 3 0.0
Feb 22 3 8 37.5
Feb 12 5 13 38.5
Feb 8 1 5 20.0
Feb 7 3 12 25.0
Feb 3 4 13 30.8
Jan 31 0 5 0.0
Jan 30 2 6 33.3
Jan 28 0 5 0.0
Jan 25 3 14 21.4
Jan 19 1 6 16.7
Jan 18 6 16 37.5
Jan 16 1 9 11.1
Jan 15 3 11 27.3
Dec 30 4 15 26.7
Dec 26 4 11 36.4
Dec 21 3 8 37.5
Dec 17 4 14 28.6
Dec 14 1 6 16.7
Dec 12 0 6 0.0
Dec 9 3 9 33.3
Dec 7 2 11 18.2
Dec 4 1 5 20.0
Nov 26 5 17 29.4
Nov 23 1 5 20.0
Nov 20 5 14 35.7
Nov 18 6 18 33.3
Nov 6 1 5 20.0
Nov 2 3 11 27.3

41 Games out of 79 Shooting Below 40%

Look that over and then rethink if i am really biased or just correct
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7/16/2007  12:55 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.

I disagree if anything Isiah has long plans for Jamal. Isiah brought in 3 players that already have a connection with Jamal. Nate his HS friend. Curry his friend from Chitown. Q is one of Jamal's best friends from around the league. Right now Jamal is the best passer on the team plain and simple. Nate does not play defense at all. Nate never fight through picks. Nate also does not pass or know how to create plays for other players. Jamal atleast guards point guards while Marbury guards shooting guards.

If people think that Nate has more of a future on this team than Jamal then I don't know what to say. This is the same Isiah that flip out when Jamal got injuried. Do people even think Isiah even cares if Nate got injuried or is even on this team?

Nate knows his days are getting numbered. This is the main reason why he is at summer league. There have been people inside MSG that have said that Isiah and Nate's relationship was not good at all. Now people believe that Nate is going to be here for the long run?

When Q went down Isiah had no reaction to the media, yet when Jamal went down he said he would love to have a copy of him on the court.

If anything, Isiah is looking for a replacement for Q. And again Q shoots the same shooting precentage as Jamal career wise. Q also can not play the 2 guard well. Q playing the 2 is one of the main reasons he get's injury most of the time. Q is sf. This is why Q said has said he has to fight for his starting position when the season starts because we already have Jamal, Marbury, Zach, and Curry as starters. The sf positon is up in the air. Also Q has only played around 50 games for use in the last two seasons. So do people really think Isiahis not trying to replace Q?


[Edited by - BigC on 07-16-2007 12:50 PM]

Well, Q and Eddy are here basically forever because of the lack of insurance on them.

I'm not saying Isiah is giving up on Craw, i'm just saying that the direction of the team over the past few transactions seems to be going away from players like him.

I don't know how Craw is going to survive practicing against bigger guards all season.
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7/16/2007  12:59 PM
defensively, marbury will have to guard sg's and crawford will guard pg's. which is gonna hurt steph's body/knees throughout the course of the season.
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Posted by djsunyc:

defensively, marbury will have to guard sg's and crawford will guard pg's. which is gonna hurt steph's body/knees throughout the course of the season.

That's a bit of a generalization. If you're playing Utah, guarding the 2 is easier. If you're playing the Lakers, guarding the 1 is easier.
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Posted by JohnWallace44:
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defensively, marbury will have to guard sg's and crawford will guard pg's. which is gonna hurt steph's body/knees throughout the course of the season.

That's a bit of a generalization. If you're playing Utah, guarding the 2 is easier. If you're playing the Lakers, guarding the 1 is easier.

ok, then marbury will be guarding the better backcourt player every games. that's a generalization but i think it's an accurate one.
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defensively, marbury will have to guard sg's and crawford will guard pg's. which is gonna hurt steph's body/knees throughout the course of the season.

But Marburys body will breakdown trying to guard point guards. He can't guard point guards to save his life. Look at how people were saying Marbury's defense improved. It has not improved. It is just that he is better suited guarding 2 guards. Chasing point guards all day will put Marbury in mode shut down early this season.

[Edited by - BigC on 07-16-2007 1:15 PM]
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.



I disagree if anything Isiah has long plans for Jamal. Isiah brought in 3 players that already have a connection with Jamal. Nate his HS friend. Curry his friend from Chitown. Q is one of Jamal's best from around the league. Right now Jamal is the best passer on the team plain and simple. Nate does not play defense at all. Nate never fight through picks. Jamal atleast guards point guards while Marbury guards shooting guards.

If people think that Nate has more of the future on this team than Jamal then I don't know what to say. This is the same Isiah that flip out when Jamal got injuried. Do people even think Isiah even cares if Nate got injuried or is even on this team?

Nate knows his days are getting numbered. This is the main reason why he is at summer league. Their have been people inside the MSG that have said that Isiah and Nate's relationship was not good at all. Now people believe that Nate is going to be here for the long run?

When Q went down Isiah had no reaction to the media, yet when Jamal went down he said he would love to have a copy of him on the court.

If anything, Isiah is looking for replacement for Q. And again Q shoots the same shooting precentage as Jamal career wise. Q also can not play the 2 guard well. Q playing the 2 is one of the main reasons he get's injury most of the time. Q is sf. This is why Q said he has to fight for starting position when the season starts because we already have Jamal, Marbury, Zach, and Curry as starters. The sf positon is up in the air.

bigc, how would you use jamal on this team? starter? 6th man? point guard?

With the team we have now I would start him at the 1. If you look at all the point guards around the league you will notice that they all have 2 turnovers a game. Which is what Jamal averages 2 turnovers a game for a guy that played 37 minutes last year. The only pg guards that average more than 2 TO a game are Gilbert Arenas who TO's the ball over 4 times a game. Billups, Kidd, all have more turnovers than Jamal. Luke Ridnour plays only 29 minutes and gets 2 TO's a game. Jamal plays 37 minutes and only has 2 TO. That means Jamal has good ball control. Wade get's 4 TO a game. So what is going to happen so terrible if Jamal starts at the pg?

Jamal has to start on this team because he is the only real playmarker on this team. Marbury is a better fit playing the 2. Now we have Zach and Curry you have to have someone be the facilitator while the other players score. There is no one else that can do that on the team. Jamal playing the pg will give other point guards hell.

I would not have Jamal be the 6th man for this team. On other teams around the league he is a 6th man. However this is the New York Knicks.

We have tried Q 2 years in the row as our 2 guard and it has not worked. Q can only play 50 games. Why go through this idea that Jamal should come off the bench for a third year? Just so each year around January Jamal becomes the starter and Q get's injuried. Start Jamal at the beginning of the year with Marbury and let's see where they go.

Herb Williams got Jamal and Marbury to win 34 games with injuries to both players in the backcourt together and that was with worse talent. I think if you have Jamal and Marbury in the backcourt you will get better results . If our roster was different Jamal would be a backup and I would have traded Marbury.

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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.



I disagree if anything Isiah has long plans for Jamal. Isiah brought in 3 players that already have a connection with Jamal. Nate his HS friend. Curry his friend from Chitown. Q is one of Jamal's best from around the league. Right now Jamal is the best passer on the team plain and simple. Nate does not play defense at all. Nate never fight through picks. Jamal atleast guards point guards while Marbury guards shooting guards.

If people think that Nate has more of the future on this team than Jamal then I don't know what to say. This is the same Isiah that flip out when Jamal got injuried. Do people even think Isiah even cares if Nate got injuried or is even on this team?

Nate knows his days are getting numbered. This is the main reason why he is at summer league. Their have been people inside the MSG that have said that Isiah and Nate's relationship was not good at all. Now people believe that Nate is going to be here for the long run?

When Q went down Isiah had no reaction to the media, yet when Jamal went down he said he would love to have a copy of him on the court.

If anything, Isiah is looking for replacement for Q. And again Q shoots the same shooting precentage as Jamal career wise. Q also can not play the 2 guard well. Q playing the 2 is one of the main reasons he get's injury most of the time. Q is sf. This is why Q said he has to fight for starting position when the season starts because we already have Jamal, Marbury, Zach, and Curry as starters. The sf positon is up in the air.

bigc, how would you use jamal on this team? starter? 6th man? point guard?

With the team we have now I would start him at the 1. If you look at all the point guards around the league you will notice that they all have 2 turnovers a game. Which is what Jamal averages 2 turnovers a game for a guy that played 37 minutes last year. The only pg guards that average more than 2 TO a game are Gilbert Arenas who TO's the ball over 4 times a game. Billups, Kidd, all have more turnovers than Jamal. Luke Ridnour plays only 29 minutes and gets 2 TO's a game. Jamal plays 37 minutes and only has 2 TO. That means Jamal has good ball control. Wade get's 4 TO a game. So what is going to happen so terrible if Jamal starts at the pg?

Jamal has to start on this team because he is the only real playmarker on this team. Marbury is a better fit playing the 2. Now we have Zach and Curry you have to have someone be the facilitator while the other players score. There is no one else that can do that on the team. Jamal playing the pg will give other point guards hell.

I would not have Jamal be the 6th man for this team. On other teams around the league he is a 6th man. However this is the New York Knicks.

We have tried Q 2 years in the row as our 2 guard and it has not worked. Q can only play 50 games. Why go through this idea that Jamal should come off the bench for a third year? Just so each year around January Jamal becomes the starter and Q get's injuried. Start Jamal at the beginning of the year with Marbury and let's see where they go.

Herb Williams got Jamal and Marbury to win 34 games with injuries to both players in the backcourt together and that was with worse talent. I think if you have Jamal and Marbury in the backcourt you will get better results . If our roster was different Jamal would be a backup and I would have traded Marbury.

would you say our next major move should be an upgrade in the backcourt?
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Posted by BigC:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isiah seems to be building an ultra physical team with the last few picks and aquisitions. Craw', like Frye, does not fit that mold. So if we have to get rid of one, I guess its him. Nate though, has to get up on people when he's defending if he is going to fit.

I can see Chandler and Q playing at the 2 for us and when Mardy is on the floor, that's a huge physical lineup. I don't really care how soft Eddy and Zach are on D, this team as a whole is going to wear opponents out.



I disagree if anything Isiah has long plans for Jamal. Isiah brought in 3 players that already have a connection with Jamal. Nate his HS friend. Curry his friend from Chitown. Q is one of Jamal's best from around the league. Right now Jamal is the best passer on the team plain and simple. Nate does not play defense at all. Nate never fight through picks. Jamal atleast guards point guards while Marbury guards shooting guards.

If people think that Nate has more of the future on this team than Jamal then I don't know what to say. This is the same Isiah that flip out when Jamal got injuried. Do people even think Isiah even cares if Nate got injuried or is even on this team?

Nate knows his days are getting numbered. This is the main reason why he is at summer league. Their have been people inside the MSG that have said that Isiah and Nate's relationship was not good at all. Now people believe that Nate is going to be here for the long run?

When Q went down Isiah had no reaction to the media, yet when Jamal went down he said he would love to have a copy of him on the court.

If anything, Isiah is looking for replacement for Q. And again Q shoots the same shooting precentage as Jamal career wise. Q also can not play the 2 guard well. Q playing the 2 is one of the main reasons he get's injury most of the time. Q is sf. This is why Q said he has to fight for starting position when the season starts because we already have Jamal, Marbury, Zach, and Curry as starters. The sf positon is up in the air.

bigc, how would you use jamal on this team? starter? 6th man? point guard?

With the team we have now I would start him at the 1. If you look at all the point guards around the league you will notice that they all have 2 turnovers a game. Which is what Jamal averages 2 turnovers a game for a guy that played 37 minutes last year. The only pg guards that average more than 2 TO a game are Gilbert Arenas who TO's the ball over 4 times a game. Billups, Kidd, all have more turnovers than Jamal. Luke Ridnour plays only 29 minutes and gets 2 TO's a game. Jamal plays 37 minutes and only has 2 TO. That means Jamal has good ball control. Wade get's 4 TO a game. So what is going to happen so terrible if Jamal starts at the pg?

Jamal has to start on this team because he is the only real playmarker on this team. Marbury is a better fit playing the 2. Now we have Zach and Curry you have to have someone be the facilitator while the other players score. There is no one else that can do that on the team. Jamal playing the pg will give other point guards hell.

I would not have Jamal be the 6th man for this team. On other teams around the league he is a 6th man. However this is the New York Knicks.

We have tried Q 2 years in the row as our 2 guard and it has not worked. Q can only play 50 games. Why go through this idea that Jamal should come off the bench for a third year? Just so each year around January Jamal becomes the starter and Q get's injuried. Start Jamal at the beginning of the year with Marbury and let's see where they go.

Herb Williams got Jamal and Marbury to win 34 games with injuries to both players in the backcourt together and that was with worse talent. I think if you have Jamal and Marbury in the backcourt you will get better results . If our roster was different Jamal would be a backup and I would have traded Marbury.

But he averaged those 2.75 turn overs per game not playing the PG primarialy.

I'd rather have Crawford start for this team than Marbury- if the poll was who should we go with, Crawford or Marbury- I'm picking crawford.

I wonder if the Clippers would be interested in Crawford?
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