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Panos
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7/13/2007  1:13 PM
Posted by Nalod:


I hope his trade value soars and he succeeds playing for another team.

Balky, Nate, and Jeffries for Yi.


Too much for Yi. I have a bad feeling about him.
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7/13/2007  1:36 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Nalod:


I hope his trade value soars and he succeeds playing for another team.

Balky, Nate, and Jeffries for Yi.


Too much for Yi. I have a bad feeling about him.

Agreed! Him not showing up to Bucks camp leaves a really bad taste in my mouth, whether it's b/c of his agent, the Chinese government or Yi himself. Terrible way to start your career.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 13-07-2007 1:37 PM]
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7/13/2007  1:40 PM
Somebody mentioned this above, but its worth repeating:

His Defense is still and absolute joke. Until he starts playing real D, I could care less about his offense.
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7/13/2007  1:45 PM
I think in terms of raw basketball skills and what he is able to do at 5-8 he may be the most or one of the most talented basketball players in the league. But unfortunately raw skills don't win games. A combination of skills, smarts, a willingess to be coached, be a team player etc, is what brings about winning.

As a team with us it is not about talent. We have as much talent as 80% of the league. The problem with us is commitment to winning. Commitment to being coached. Commitment to our teammates and teh Knick logo. Consistency of effort. Commitment to skills other than offense. Until the players realize this all the talent in the world will just be good enough to be a bench player and win 33 games. Noone has ever denied the talent of Marbs, Nate, Zach, Curry, Jamal etc. It's their commitment that we wonder about.
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7/13/2007  2:27 PM
At the very least he's a specialty player that can come in for short bursts and change the momentum. There's value in that.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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7/13/2007  2:48 PM
Posted by Seanc3:

Somebody mentioned this above, but its worth repeating:

His Defense is still and absolute joke. Until he starts playing real D, I could care less about his offense.
echo that... worst of all there is a clear lack of effort there. Nate lit up the league last summer also. Hell... so did Majec Lampe. He's a unique player though.. I hope he gets it
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7/13/2007  3:12 PM
i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.
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7/13/2007  3:18 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Lampe had a good summer league but wasn't dominating and was given pretty of minutes. I really remember him shooting the ball well. I always thought that Sweets had the better summer though. Too bad Sweetney has weight issues. He is a good low post player.
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7/13/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Here's a list of players who have gone off a game or two offensively or defensively in Summer League play


Shammond Williams
Travis Outlaw
Marcus Banks scored 42 against Cleveland
Martell Webster
John Lucas
Alex Acker
Tony Allen
Casey Jacobsen
Maurice Ager
Sean May
Mbenga
Quentel MOTHA FN WOODS
Borchardt
Lonny Baxter
John Salmons



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-13-2007 2:53 PM]
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7/13/2007  3:35 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Here's a list of players who have gone off a ame or two offensively or defensively in Summer League play


Shammond Williams
Travis Outlaw
Marcus Banks scored 42 against Cleveland
Martell Webster
John Lucas
Alex Acker
Tony Allen
Casey Jacobsen
Maurice Ager
Sean May
Mbenga
Quentel MOTHA FN WOODS
Borchardt

Nate has only scored 20 points once--Im talking about his obvious talent and how heused those talents as PG for this team. He seems to have developed more this summer. He's run the team from the PG position as good or better than anyone else that I have seen this summer because his play has impacted the game. I'm sure NBA caliber people understand what they have seen from Nate playing PG--yes a few out of control plays--but all in all the guy has been an impact player on easily the best team in this league.
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7/13/2007  3:45 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Here's a list of players who have gone off a game or two offensively or defensively in Summer League play


Shammond Williams
Travis Outlaw
Marcus Banks scored 42 against Cleveland
Martell Webster
John Lucas
Alex Acker
Tony Allen
Casey Jacobsen
Maurice Ager
Sean May
Mbenga
Quentel MOTHA FN WOODS
Borchardt

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-13-2007 2:30 PM]

Why isn't Dwight Howard, David Lee, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant and Barbosa on your list just to name a few? Where's Montae Ellis, Al Jefferson or Brandon Roy? LOL.
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7/13/2007  3:48 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Lampe had a good summer league but wasn't dominating and was given pretty of minutes. I really remember him shooting the ball well. I always thought that Sweets had the better summer though. Too bad Sweetney has weight issues. He is a good low post player.
You guys got it wrong.. Lampe was one of the best players in SL that year and was all team whatever
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7/13/2007  3:49 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Here's a list of players who have gone off a game or two offensively or defensively in Summer League play


Shammond Williams
Travis Outlaw
Marcus Banks scored 42 against Cleveland
Martell Webster
John Lucas
Alex Acker
Tony Allen
Casey Jacobsen
Maurice Ager
Sean May
Mbenga
Quentel MOTHA FN WOODS
Borchardt

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-13-2007 2:30 PM]

Why isn't Dwight Howard, David Lee, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant and Barbosa on your list just to name a few? Where's Montae Ellis, Al Jefferson or Brandon Roy? LOL.


I looked high and low far and wide actually I think Dwight Howard had some good games himself.


Bottom line we have quite a few here that are DESPERATE JOCK STRAP RIDING FANS and nothing more.
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7/13/2007  3:51 PM
I remember the kool aid flowing over our 18 year old center that won all review and averaged 17/7/50% that summer

Just some perspective...

Nate should dominate. He's played 2 seasons against pros, and was a great scorer to begin with
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7/13/2007  4:02 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Here's a list of players who have gone off a game or two offensively or defensively in Summer League play


Shammond Williams
Travis Outlaw
Marcus Banks scored 42 against Cleveland
Martell Webster
John Lucas
Alex Acker
Tony Allen
Casey Jacobsen
Maurice Ager
Sean May
Mbenga
Quentel MOTHA FN WOODS
Borchardt

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-13-2007 2:30 PM]

Why isn't Dwight Howard, David Lee, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant and Barbosa on your list just to name a few? Where's Montae Ellis, Al Jefferson or Brandon Roy? LOL.


I looked high and low far and wide actually I think Dwight Howard had some good games himself.


Bottom line we have quite a few here that are DESPERATE JOCK STRAP RIDING FANS and nothing more.

You're lost. Thats expected in a Knicks forum. Is this Ihatetheknicks.com?
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7/13/2007  4:53 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I remember the kool aid flowing over our 18 year old center that won all review and averaged 17/7/50% that summer

Just some perspective...

Nate should dominate. He's played 2 seasons against pros, and was a great scorer to begin with

So when someone questions how can you call David Lee one of the Knicks best players only after a 59 game season. You can understand that question then?
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7/13/2007  5:10 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BigSm00th:

i'm pretty sure maciej lampe didn't light up summer league (but i could be wrong). i remember a few 13-8 games, certainly not lighting it up though.

Here's a list of players who have gone off a ame or two offensively or defensively in Summer League play


Shammond Williams
Travis Outlaw
Marcus Banks scored 42 against Cleveland
Martell Webster
John Lucas
Alex Acker
Tony Allen
Casey Jacobsen
Maurice Ager
Sean May
Mbenga
Quentel MOTHA FN WOODS
Borchardt

Nate has only scored 20 points once--Im talking about his obvious talent and how heused those talents as PG for this team. He seems to have developed more this summer. He's run the team from the PG position as good or better than anyone else that I have seen this summer because his play has impacted the game. I'm sure NBA caliber people understand what they have seen from Nate playing PG--yes a few out of control plays--but all in all the guy has been an impact player on easily the best team in this league.

I don't think they understand you are not talking about points........ The thing Ive noticed the most is he is starting to keep his head up and seeing passing lanes. Also he isn't dribbling the ball off himself out of control when he is dribbling.

Now if you are new to basket ball, those things don't change with what talent level you play against, that's what Briggs is talking about. He has improved in these areas.
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7/13/2007  5:27 PM
It seems that some here don't think that we can judge Skills over just stats. If you have eyes and some understanding of what to look for you can see the quality of someones game despite the level of comp. You of course need to really have that kind of skill if you want to draft well LIke Isiah, but even we need to be able to see the little things that indicate if a player is truly a good one or a just SL wonder.

Nate isn't perfect, but he's showing some of the things he needs to show this summer. It's good to see.
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7/13/2007  8:30 PM
I agree with briggs, and most of you guys act as if nate can't score on the NBA level, I think he already had two games of 34+ points, and no one can really stay in front of nate, he can score on NBA level talent easy and he has shown that ability, the guy averages 10ppg off the bench, shoots a high% and drives to the hoop with ease..
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7/13/2007  9:16 PM
everyone knows Nate can score at the NBA level. we've all seen it. what he still needs to prove he can do is run the PG position. He's gotten some assists this summer league, but I think in three games it's like 21 assists against 14 TOs, so not a good assist to turnover ratio. He still plays too out of control.

That said, if he can play under control, he can always play SG when Mardy or Jamal plays PG. He needs to play under control and play smarter defense. He'll be fine. I kind of think we should trade him, but he's a spark plug and a good kid who just needs to watch his arrogance and wild streaks. I like Nate, but I wouldn't be opposed to trading him. I would never, in a million years, think of him as a PG. he's a SG. if we can find a role for him here as a SG, so be it. if not, let's get a guy like Maurice Williams or someone for him.
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