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Pharzeone
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7/12/2007  7:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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There were 31 games where he played over 15 mins. He averaged about 25 mins per in these games. These were his stats:

8.3 pts, 7.1 rebs, 1.35 stl, 0.96 blk, 0.8 asts, 1.1 TO, 54.4% FG, 53.2% FT

Clearly he can produce when he's called upon. Has to improve the FT's though. Just for comparison's sake, the other "one dimensional defender" Jeffries, also in games over 15 mpg (44 games, 27.5 mins per)

4.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.0 stl, 0.60 blk, 1.4 asts, 1.25 TO, 45.4% FG, 45.4% FT

So Balk puts a competent amount of pts on the board at a more efficient rate. His reb/steals/blks seem to negate the supposed length Jeffries has as well.

But forgetting Jeffries for a moment, those number Balk puts up are something we could use every night. He scores enough to make sure someone has to to put a body on him or he'll make em pay. A jumper would help, but I don't see him as a full liability out there offensively.


My favorite Isiah quote of all time is when he marveled at Balkman's play after a game in which Balkman got major minutes and had something like 15 points and 12 rebounds.

Isiah told reporters afterward (paraphrasing a bit): "You know, it's amazing. Whenever I give Renaldo major minutes, he's an almost automatic double-double and puts up good numbers in all areas."
It's amazing that he didn't start giving Balkman serious minutes though.

Yes, that's my point, and that's why it's my favorite Isiah quote of all time: Isiah acknowledges that Balkman is highly productive yet still would hardly ever give him major minutes consistently.

I used to cringe every time I looked at a box score and saw JJ Skinny getting more minutes than Balman.
I hear ya. I had the exact same reaction whenever JJ Skinny played ahead of Balkman and Malik and Frye took minutes from Lee.

LOL, this has to be ... well. David Lee averaged 30 minutes a game in the 2006-2007 season. Malik Rose average 12 minutes a game the same season. Hmm... something is not right here. Well it appears that Malik's minutes ranged from 2 minutes a game to 37 minutes. Yet he took Lee's minutes. Hmmm... Well he only played approximately 22 games where he had more than 12 minutes a game that season. 22 games out of say 82 games. Lee's minutes seem to dramatically fall to say 0 per game at the same time that Malik's minutes increase. Hmmm... I had a weird thought that maybe he played those minutes say because of an injury to Lee.

Lee was our best player. He should have played at least 38 min. Most people in my poll a few months ago thought our record would have been significantly better if Lee had payed 38 mpg and Frye and Malik had played fewer mpg.
But you're Bonn he got those minutes unfairly.
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7/12/2007  9:04 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Lee was our best player. He should have played at least 38 min. Most people in my poll a few months ago thought our record would have been significantly better if Lee had payed 38 mpg and Frye and Malik had played fewer mpg.
Lee seems like our best player because he does only what he can. Lee cannot carry a team on offense like Marbury, Crawford or Eddy. Lee is not a good defensive player either so all he has right now is his hustle and his amazing rebounding. 38 minutes a game is all well and good but if the dude cannot score or defend the other teams scorer, he cannot stay on the floor for too long. Lee isn't fast enough to stay with SF and needs more bulk to go up against PF's. Also, Lee needs to work on a jumpshot this summer.

Here is a question: what kind of lineup would you want Lee to play 38 minutes in and what would be his role?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 07-12-2007 07:56 AM]
"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him. He's actually the *best* scoring PF the team had last year. His role would be the same except he'd have about ten minutes from Frye and Malik (combined).
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7/12/2007  9:24 PM
This gets to the problem with the zach randolph trade!

I like Balkman at the 2 - didn't they have him play some point?

If lee isn't starting, Balkman should, just so there is some energy in the starting unit.
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7/12/2007  9:37 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I think Balkman is showing that it is him and not Lee who should be getting more minutes next year. I think Lee shoud stay around 30 mins spelling Curry and Randolph but Balkman should get all the backup minutes at the SF spot. I also want IT to limit Q to about 28 minutes to make sure his back holds up.

Are those the only minutes Balkman should get? Because just getting backup minutes at SF is not going to keep Balkman on the court for as long as she should be out there.

I just don't understand why it would be such a crime to start Q at 2 and Balkman at 3 and let Crawford get his minutes off the bench. We should at least try it out.
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7/12/2007  9:40 PM
Posted by Erniecat:
Posted by VDesai:

There were 31 games where he played over 15 mins. He averaged about 25 mins per in these games. These were his stats:

8.3 pts, 7.1 rebs, 1.35 stl, 0.96 blk, 0.8 asts, 1.1 TO, 54.4% FG, 53.2% FT

Clearly he can produce when he's called upon. Has to improve the FT's though. Just for comparison's sake, the other "one dimensional defender" Jeffries, also in games over 15 mpg (44 games, 27.5 mins per)

4.7 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.0 stl, 0.60 blk, 1.4 asts, 1.25 TO, 45.4% FG, 45.4% FT

So Balk puts a competent amount of pts on the board at a more efficient rate. His reb/steals/blks seem to negate the supposed length Jeffries has as well.

But forgetting Jeffries for a moment, those number Balk puts up are something we could use every night. He scores enough to make sure someone has to to put a body on him or he'll make em pay. A jumper would help, but I don't see him as a full liability out there offensively.


My favorite Isiah quote of all time is when he marveled at Balkman's play after a game in which Balkman got major minutes and had something like 15 points and 12 rebounds.

Isiah told reporters afterward (paraphrasing a bit): "You know, it's amazing. Whenever I give Renaldo major minutes, he's an almost automatic double-double and puts up good numbers in all areas."


I remember this quote. Great find, I think Im going to sig it....
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7/12/2007  9:45 PM
I like the 4 minute per quarter extrapolation stats...but any chance you could produce some realistic starter and more than 25 minute stats?

I watched the games and both he and lee don't have the stamina to play these minutes they deserve.

it's one thing to come off the bench and fill up the stat sheet with 2 steals, 3 dunks and a block in 5 minutes of work.

but day in and day out starting, being the focal point of the other teams offense and producing on both ends is not something you can multiply by 3 and say all good.

you have to watch the games...lee is awesome abusing a worn down starting unit or abusing an inept back up squad...but jermaine oneal owned him one game.

paul perce abused balkman and lebron (other than the hard foul) had his way with balk as well.

any chance we could see the stats when they got starter's minutes or started?

both players.
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7/12/2007  9:59 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

I like the 4 minute per quarter extrapolation stats...but any chance you could produce some realistic starter and more than 25 minute stats?

I watched the games and both he and lee don't have the stamina to play these minutes they deserve.

it's one thing to come off the bench and fill up the stat sheet with 2 steals, 3 dunks and a block in 5 minutes of work.

but day in and day out starting, being the focal point of the other teams offense and producing on both ends is not something you can multiply by 3 and say all good.

you have to watch the games...lee is awesome abusing a worn down starting unit or abusing an inept back up squad...but jermaine oneal owned him one game.

paul perce abused balkman and lebron (other than the hard foul) had his way with balk as well.

any chance we could see the stats when they got starter's minutes or started?

both players.


Balk wont be the focal point of any opposition when he's starting between potentially, Marb, Craw, Zach, and Curry. Secondly, Lee started a bunch of games during the suspensions and he was abusing more than just back-ups.

We don't have a shut-down type of defender at Sf including Q. Outside of one solid game against Lebron and good effort, Q gets abused aswell, especially aginst Pierce. With a front line of Eddy and Zach who both need the ball to be affective, Balk would be a nice compliment to them up front. We got off to terrible starts last year and Balk can help provide some energy. Lee and Nate can still bring lots of energy to the second unit.
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7/12/2007  11:04 PM
the frye experiment has me gun shy falling in love with balkman abusing rookies and cba players and moving into a starter role.

the games I watched where he started it was horrible no show game, good game followed by horrible no show game.

i'd rather take my chances with a consistent vet at the 3 with our other defensive issues.

balkster is awesome, but bringing him and lee in for ineffective starters (and not waiting until we are down 20 to do so) is the best move the knicks can make.

balk and lee have weaknesses...i'd prefer to not see them posted up everytime down the court and taking away their ability to clean up the boards and play the passing lanes.

starters get targeted..and when that happens, you have to think more than hustle.

hate to be a wet blanket, but the 15 minute stat and the two lineups that didn't involve a veteran poll sent me over the edge...oh, and trading curry AND nate for dalembart.

watch the games. stats lie, especially snapshots.

balkman is awesome...but in the easr, so are paul pierce, vince carter and lebron james.

i'd rather throw jefferies at them and let balk and lee run the rest of the team off the court.

starting only works in fantasy sports.

have you guys seen lee winded? he get's killed off the dribble.

have you seen balk given the wide open 3?

did you actually watch any games last year?
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7/12/2007  11:14 PM
Shall I say it ... Balkman might just be as good as LEE. (Oh Oh, here comes the Lee police)

Seriously, Balkman can rebound, hustles, plays defense and defend the 3. He can also dribble the ball. He develops a jumpshot and a better free throw shot and he might just pass him.
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7/12/2007  11:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough. And he isn't a great defender either. Balkman is a much better alternative than Lee in the starting lineup. Its gotta be Zach, Curry and Balkman mainly because all Lee is good for is the hustle plays. Get a grip, Lee isn't starter material yet and now that Zach is here, Lee is our second best PF. Put a jumpshot in Lee and then you have something. Until then, he is a good rebounder.
He's actually the *best* scoring PF the team had last year. His role would be the same except he'd have about ten minutes from Frye and Malik (combined).
haha! Thats not really saying much that he was the best scoring PF the team had last year. Frye had a terrible year so Lee didn't really do anything to party over. If his role is the same as then thats not really doing much for the team winning games. Zach starts as PF over Lee unless he is injured and Balkman makes more sense starting at 3 than Lee starting at 4.

Lee is not going to get to be our best player and honestly, we are in a lot of trouble if Lee is our best player. The dude needs to learn some post moves, get a high % 15 foot jumpshot and play defense. I say Zach is our best player.
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7/12/2007  11:22 PM
Its dangerous to say that Lee is our best player. He is certainly one of my favorites, but his defense is a major liability against certain players.

I like Balkman at the 2 as well when we have Q and hopefully Nichols at the 3 and Steph or Nate at the 1 his shooting doesn't matter
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7/12/2007  11:24 PM
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Its dangerous to say that Lee is our best player.
its dumb too. Lee is not out best player.
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7/12/2007  11:31 PM
Hell no , Lee is not a best player. But Bonn will pull the stats and show you his production per game, etc. (which means nothing really)

Silver, you made good points, Lee doesn't get plays called for him, because he can't create his own shot. He shoots such a good percentage because they are all tip in, he rebounds well basically because he hustles combined with our guards can't really shoot the rock at a decent rate. He can only play the in the paint. He is an awesome guy to have on your team, and will make a great sixth man. However, Please stop making him out to be this superstar force.

Like you said and a jumpshot and now we have a starter.
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7/13/2007  9:57 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:

"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough.
I didn't say he was an amazing scorer and I didn't say I wanted to feature him. I can't imagine how you thought I said those things. All I said was that your comment that he cannot score was wrong (to put it politely).

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7/13/2007  10:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
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"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough.
I didn't say he was an amazing scorer and I didn't say I wanted to feature him. I can't imagine how you thought I said those things. All I said was that your comment that he cannot score was wrong (to put it politely).
You called him our best player so I asked you what makes him our best player. Can he create his own shot? No. Is he a shutdown defender? No. Does he have a good jumpshot? No. So tell me Bonn, what makes him better than Marbury, Zach or even Balkman? I say Balkman is just as good, if not better than Lee. I say your premise that Lee is our best player has been wrong. Politely of course.
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7/13/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough.
I didn't say he was an amazing scorer and I didn't say I wanted to feature him. I can't imagine how you thought I said those things. All I said was that your comment that he cannot score was wrong (to put it politely).
You called him our best player so I asked you what makes him our best player. Can he create his own shot? No. Is he a shutdown defender? No. Does he have a good jumpshot? No. So tell me Bonn, what makes him better than Marbury, Zach or even Balkman? I say Balkman is just as good, if not better than Lee. I say your premise that Lee is our best player has been wrong. Politely of course.

I was talking about our best player last year (which was before we had Zach). I'm talking about total impact on the game. You can find that from any statistical analysis or from his energy and hustle, creating second shots for teammates with offensive boards, preventing second shots for the opponent with defensive boards, and good passing skills. If Marbury is focussed like he was for part of last season, then he might be ahead of Lee, but that's a gigantic "if".

In the lineup I proposed earlier, David Lee would be our *fifth* scoring option. (He wouldn't be featured on the offense like you suggested.) Marbury and Zach would be the prime scoring threats with Jamal and Q as the next two threats. Our fifth threat in Lee would be giving us about 13 or 14 PPG and pulling down tons of rebounds to get those four other players more shots.
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7/13/2007  10:24 AM
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"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough.
I didn't say he was an amazing scorer and I didn't say I wanted to feature him. I can't imagine how you thought I said those things. All I said was that your comment that he cannot score was wrong (to put it politely).
You called him our best player so I asked you what makes him our best player. Can he create his own shot? No. Is he a shutdown defender? No. Does he have a good jumpshot? No. So tell me Bonn, what makes him better than Marbury, Zach or even Balkman? I say Balkman is just as good, if not better than Lee. I say your premise that Lee is our best player has been wrong. Politely of course.

I was talking about our best player last year (which was before we had Zach). I'm talking about total impact on the game. You can find that from any statistical analysis or from his energy and hustle, creating second shots for teammates with offensive boards, preventing second shots for the opponent with defensive boards, and good passing skills. If Marbury is focussed like he was for part of last season, then he might be ahead of Lee, but that's a gigantic "if".

In the lineup I proposed earlier, David Lee would be our *fifth* scoring option. (He wouldn't be featured on the offense like you suggested.) Marbury and Zach would be the prime scoring threats with Jamal and Q as the next two threats. Our fifth threat in Lee would be giving us about 13 or 14 PPG and pulling down tons of rebounds to get those four other players more shots.
Thats bull****! Our 5th scoring option who does not play great defense is our best player? There is no way in hell that makes sense. Even Oakley had an awesome 15 foot jumpshot and great physical Defense. I have never seen Lee do that. Balkman is a better overall fit in the starting lineup that Lee.

And I still don't know what lineup you suggested. What was it exactly? Anything minus Curry? Please, don't just argue to argue.
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7/13/2007  10:34 AM
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"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough.
I didn't say he was an amazing scorer and I didn't say I wanted to feature him. I can't imagine how you thought I said those things. All I said was that your comment that he cannot score was wrong (to put it politely).
You called him our best player so I asked you what makes him our best player. Can he create his own shot? No. Is he a shutdown defender? No. Does he have a good jumpshot? No. So tell me Bonn, what makes him better than Marbury, Zach or even Balkman? I say Balkman is just as good, if not better than Lee. I say your premise that Lee is our best player has been wrong. Politely of course.

I was talking about our best player last year (which was before we had Zach). I'm talking about total impact on the game. You can find that from any statistical analysis or from his energy and hustle, creating second shots for teammates with offensive boards, preventing second shots for the opponent with defensive boards, and good passing skills. If Marbury is focussed like he was for part of last season, then he might be ahead of Lee, but that's a gigantic "if".

In the lineup I proposed earlier, David Lee would be our *fifth* scoring option. (He wouldn't be featured on the offense like you suggested.) Marbury and Zach would be the prime scoring threats with Jamal and Q as the next two threats. Our fifth threat in Lee would be giving us about 13 or 14 PPG and pulling down tons of rebounds to get those four other players more shots.
Thats bull****! Our 5th scoring option who does not play great defense is our best player? There is no way in hell that makes sense. Even Oakley had an awesome 15 foot jumpshot and great physical Defense. I have never seen Lee do that. Balkman is a better overall fit in the starting lineup that Lee.

And I still don't know what lineup you suggested. What was it exactly? Anything minus Curry? Please, don't just argue to argue.

Our 5th scoring option who does not play great defense is our best player?
I did not say he was our best player this upcoming year. Since you add two to three comments per post that I did not say and then argue against the comments I never made, I've decided I will restrict my replies to you to correcting your mis-statements about me--purely out of boredom since I'm moving and all my furniture is gone and I have else to do until the "sending off" party my friends are throwing for me tonight. I might come back tonight with some drunk, incoherent posts!
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7/13/2007  10:38 AM
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Posted by Silverfuel:
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Posted by Silverfuel:
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Posted by Bonn1997:

"If the guy cannot score"? Did you watch him at all last year? Give him 38 mpg and he'll score 14 PPG without having one play called for him.
Wow!! 14 points in 38 minutes! Wow! Thats amazing Bonn but your selective stats are getting tired. Did you watch him last year? He doesn't have plays called for him because he cannot score on his own. You want to feature him on offense? Are you kidding me because 14 points in 38 minutes is not enough.
I didn't say he was an amazing scorer and I didn't say I wanted to feature him. I can't imagine how you thought I said those things. All I said was that your comment that he cannot score was wrong (to put it politely).
You called him our best player so I asked you what makes him our best player. Can he create his own shot? No. Is he a shutdown defender? No. Does he have a good jumpshot? No. So tell me Bonn, what makes him better than Marbury, Zach or even Balkman? I say Balkman is just as good, if not better than Lee. I say your premise that Lee is our best player has been wrong. Politely of course.

I was talking about our best player last year (which was before we had Zach). I'm talking about total impact on the game. You can find that from any statistical analysis or from his energy and hustle, creating second shots for teammates with offensive boards, preventing second shots for the opponent with defensive boards, and good passing skills. If Marbury is focussed like he was for part of last season, then he might be ahead of Lee, but that's a gigantic "if".

In the lineup I proposed earlier, David Lee would be our *fifth* scoring option. (He wouldn't be featured on the offense like you suggested.) Marbury and Zach would be the prime scoring threats with Jamal and Q as the next two threats. Our fifth threat in Lee would be giving us about 13 or 14 PPG and pulling down tons of rebounds to get those four other players more shots.
Thats bull****! Our 5th scoring option who does not play great defense is our best player? There is no way in hell that makes sense. Even Oakley had an awesome 15 foot jumpshot and great physical Defense. I have never seen Lee do that. Balkman is a better overall fit in the starting lineup that Lee.

And I still don't know what lineup you suggested. What was it exactly? Anything minus Curry? Please, don't just argue to argue.

Our 5th scoring option who does not play great defense is our best player?
I did not say he was our best player this upcoming year. Since you add two to three comments per post that I did not say and then argue against the comments I never made, I've decided I will restrict my replies to you to correcting your mis-statements about me--purely out of boredom since I'm moving and all my furniture is gone and I have else to do until the "sending off" party my friends are throwing for me tonight.
So now in your backtracking you stop talking basketball and tell me I am mixing up your posts? Come on, you are being consistent in saying Lee is/was our best player. Quit making excuses and manup. The only thing that has changed is Zach. So minus Zach, what lineup would you want the Knicks to play? What would Lee's role be? The 5th scoring option on our team that isn't a great defensive player cannot be our best player.
I might come back tonight with some drunk, incoherent posts!
You don't have to be drunk to make incoherent posts. You do an damn good job of that while sober.
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7/13/2007  10:45 AM
So now in your backtracking you stop talking basketball and tell me I am mixing up your posts? Come on, you are being consistent in saying Lee is/was our best player. Quit making excuses and manup. The only thing that has changed is Zach. So minus Zach, what lineup would you want the Knicks to play? What would Lee's role be? The 5th scoring option on our team that isn't a great defensive player cannot be our best player.
Lee was our best player last and probably our third best scorer if not higher. If Q's back is healthy after surgery and with the addition of Zach, Lee slips from third to fifth on offense. I'm keeping an open mind on who will be the best player next season. It could be Lee, Zach or Marbury if they have their heads on straight and put the team first, or Eddy if he turns his game around in year 7.

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