Posted by TheGame:

Posted by Anji:

Funny stuff, love the Wilson Chandler part............



Random war room guy "Zeke, you wanna trade down and pick a second rounder. Alot of good talent fall today and we are targeting a second rounder nobody got to workout. Mardy has bad knees at 22, marbury has bad knees, you should cosider picking up Jordan or Pruitt"

Zeke "Nan I'm good.............."

LOL. People said the same about Balkman last year, but the bottomline for me is can the guy play. I heard talk that there were some teams interested in drafting Chandler in the first round. Who knows if that is true or not but apparently IT thought there was enough truth to the rumors to pick CHandler where he did.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

This is a stunning report by Isola. A star NBA player hogs the ball...

That almost beats out his recent headlines;
"Kobe Changes Mind!"
"Pac-Man Seen at Strip Club!"
"Jerome James Unmotivated!"

Posted by MS:

If there is anyway to ship zachs fat ass to la for odom, i don't care what we have to include to get it done i do it, give them chandler as well and a future pick it'w worth it......

Actually Isola just looks at this logically as oppossed to being optimistic that anything isiah will do will garner some victories i really just have a heard time believing in a gm with limited knowledge of winning players.

His talent evaluator is joke: Channing, Nate, Jefferies, Jerome, Crawford when was the last time these showed you they have what it takes to be winners in this league

In three years all isiah has to show for himself is collins, balkman, and lee a terrific group of energy role players, one of which will be a fringe allstar. Other than that he has spent and cost the knicks 300 million for signings any ******* with insider could have told you were disasters waiting to happen

Posted by nixluva:

I can see this is gonna be a BIGTIME "hater" vs. "lover" year around here. Already so many guys are happy to read anything negative that is said by some phantom GM. 1st of all Isiah has more than proved his ability to recognize talent, so I really don't care what another GM thought of Chandler, Nichols or Morris for that matter. You would think that his track record would be respected around here by those who follow the team.

As for the trade. I don't see how Isola or any GM can really have anything negative to say about the deal. We gave up nothing and got back a player that can produce. Yeah he has fault's but so do many NBA players. How much of a black hole can he be avg'ing 2 assists on a lousy team? That seems like a overstatement to me. This would only be a problem if he's missing shots or forcing them when he has a teammate open. Often times people get remembered for who they were and not who they are now. Zach and Curry both seem to be trying to improve as team players. I've read articles that have said Zach is trying to get better, so i'll wait and see how he does in that regard.

From what i've seen of Zach and Curry despite being big they both get down the court fairly well. I expect that we'll be a much more efficient offensive team and with more made baskets that will allow us to get back on D. I really don't see much of an issue here. When Curry's in the game we aren't gonna be racing up and down anyway. Our goal is gonna be to slow the pace down to a half court game. Also since we are a top FTA team, that will also take a lot of the pace out of the game. This is a power team and that's how we'll win. The real key will be how good our perimeter shooting and D will be. If we hit for a good % then teams will be stretched trying to cover us inside and out. This is why i'm hoping Nichols not only makes the team but sees some PT.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

I can see this is gonna be a BIGTIME "hater" vs. "lover" year around here. Already so many guys are happy to read anything negative that is said by some phantom GM. 1st of all Isiah has more than proved his ability to recognize talent, so I really don't care what another GM thought of Chandler, Nichols or Morris for that matter. You would think that his track record would be respected around here by those who follow the team.

As for the trade. I don't see how Isola or any GM can really have anything negative to say about the deal. We gave up nothing and got back a player that can produce. Yeah he has fault's but so do many NBA players. How much of a black hole can he be avg'ing 2 assists on a lousy team? That seems like a overstatement to me. This would only be a problem if he's missing shots or forcing them when he has a teammate open. Often times people get remembered for who they were and not who they are now. Zach and Curry both seem to be trying to improve as team players. I've read articles that have said Zach is trying to get better, so i'll wait and see how he does in that regard.

From what i've seen of Zach and Curry despite being big they both get down the court fairly well. I expect that we'll be a much more efficient offensive team and with more made baskets that will allow us to get back on D. I really don't see much of an issue here. When Curry's in the game we aren't gonna be racing up and down anyway. Our goal is gonna be to slow the pace down to a half court game. Also since we are a top FTA team, that will also take a lot of the pace out of the game. This is a power team and that's how we'll win. The real key will be how good our perimeter shooting and D will be. If we hit for a good % then teams will be stretched trying to cover us inside and out. This is why i'm hoping Nichols not only makes the team but sees some PT.

I love it. In one breathe you're fawning all over Isiah's "ability to recognize talent". Then in the next you're telling us how great the trade was because the Knicks gave up nothing.

Nothing, just the only lottery pick that Isiah hasn't traded away in his tenure here.

You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by nixluva:

Steph is not the problem and really never has been THE problem with this team. You have to have a good TEAM not just a great PG. When Steph was surrounded by spot up shooters you could see that it was the right kind of team for him, but Isiah didn't really like that squad of KVH, KT and Doleac. Just imagine that group with a healthy H2O on it as well and Steph driving and kicking all game. He would easily have 10+ assists. As it was with all the changes that year he still ended up avg'ing 9.3 asts. He's had many games with double digit assists, his problem has been that in his career he's almost never had a real high % SG next to him and the rare times that he did the guy wasn't really ready for primetime.

He's far from a perfect PG and he's not a born leader, but the guy is one of the best PG's in the league and has been his whole career. This team has been a mess in terms of personnel for a while now, but I believe Steph will be able to thrive over the next couple of years just being a distributor and playing better D. IF he uses his energy in those ways, this team will be more than fine. Then he can crank it up every once in a while to give us a lift when we need it. He really was learning how to do that last year.

Isiah isnt just being loyal to his guy. He realizes that he's not likely to get a better PG at this point. We have some good backup guys now and I don't see that position as a problem anymore. I actually think he's done a good job of plugging up our holes in the last 3 offseasons. I'm glad that he's sticking with Lee. If he makes a trade now it should be on his terms, cuz we're not desparate anymore. We have enough SF prospects that someone is likely to emerge from this group. I'm glad that Isiah is somewhat loyal to his own players, cuz these picks have been pretty good. Unless you get someone better and that won't mess up the team chemistry, there's no need to make a trade.

Posted by djsunyc:

[quote]Eastern Conference Exec: Randolph's a 'Black Hole'


Most NBA coaches and executives have a similar take on the Knicks decision to acquire Zach Randolph; they are not sure how it will work.

One former head coach said “They will be tough to guard in the paint” while one GM says “neither will defend.”

Perhaps the best story of Randolph comes from an executive with an Eastern Conference team.

“He is a black hole,” the executive said. “I was watching a tape last season where he caught the ball in the post and spun around twice. He did a 720! I had to call everybody into the room to show them. But I tell you what, when he shot the ball it went in. He’s just never going to pass.”

Wow, what tremendous quotes by Isola, really adding some incredible insight:

1. Curry and Randolph will be "tough to guard in the paint." Really??? Never would've guessed that.

2. Neither Curry nor Randolph will defend. Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I thought both were perennial All-Defensive team members.

3. Randolph is a black hole. This is based on a tape this executive watched in which Randolph essentially scored a bucket after making a spin move. Yep, an NBA big man getting the ball inside and scoring makes him a black hole.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

I love it. In one breathe you're fawning all over Isiah's "ability to recognize talent". Then in the next you're telling us how great the trade was because the Knicks gave up nothing.

Nothing, just the only lottery pick that Isiah hasn't traded away in his tenure here.

You can't have it both ways.

Did you catch the "both ways" in this post?

To Islesfan and Trueblue the resident freakin geniuses here. Frye didn't figure into Isiah's plans anymore, as we were in the hunt for a starting PF already. Isiah saw a chance to get a guy who fit the role he wanted and he didn't give up any of the guys he wanted to keep, in that regard he gave up nothing! This doesn't mean that Frye sucks, only that for this team he didn't fit and thus had little value to US. This doesn't mean that he can't fit in somewhere else. He can play, but we don't need what he does, so if we give him up in a trade we didn't give up anything of value to us. To make it easier for you two to understand. Imagine that you have an extra car? It's a good car. But you need a truck. So you trade your good car which you don't need and get a truck which you do need. The car had little value to you, cuz it wasn't what you needed. As usual you guys are trying to make something out of NOTHING! You guys are a FREAKIN PAIN IN THE ASS with this crap!!! STOP PICKING AT EVERY LITTLE THING I SAY!

Posted by nixluva:



And another thing. Since when does a draft pick become automatic? Not all picks work out as you would want. Frye may go on to do well in a different system. No one is saying that he stinks now just because he isn't working out next to Curry. You keep missing this point in your rush to judge me as not making sense.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

I love it. In one breathe you're fawning all over Isiah's "ability to recognize talent". Then in the next you're telling us how great the trade was because the Knicks gave up nothing.

Nothing, just the only lottery pick that Isiah hasn't traded away in his tenure here.

You can't have it both ways.

Did you catch the "both ways" in this post?

To Islesfan and Trueblue the resident freakin geniuses here. Frye didn't figure into Isiah's plans anymore, as we were in the hunt for a starting PF already. Isiah saw a chance to get a guy who fit the role he wanted and he didn't give up any of the guys he wanted to keep, in that regard he gave up nothing! This doesn't mean that Frye sucks, only that for this team he didn't fit and thus had little value to US. This doesn't mean that he can't fit in somewhere else. He can play, but we don't need what he does, so if we give him up in a trade we didn't give up anything of value to us. To make it easier for you two to understand. Imagine that you have an extra car? It's a good car. But you need a truck. So you trade your good car which you don't need and get a truck which you do need. The car had little value to you, cuz it wasn't what you needed. As usual you guys are trying to make something out of NOTHING! You guys are a FREAKIN PAIN IN THE ASS with this crap!!! STOP PICKING AT EVERY LITTLE THING I SAY!

So they didn't need the starting PF that Isiah drafted just 2 years ago with the only lottery pick that he hasn't traded away, because they were in the hunt for a starting PF?

What the **** are you talking about?

If that's the case then what the hell was the point in drafting Frye in the first place? When did he go from a franchise building block to "nothing"? 2 years ago he fit a role but now he doesn't? Hmm, ya think it's because there is no plan and it keeps changing based on what side of the bed Isiah wakes up on that morning?

This would be fun if it weren't so easy.

Did we have Curry when he drafted Frye? NO! How was Isiah to know that Frye wouldn't really pan out alongside Curry. If you look at their games you might think they'd work fine. Perhaps in time Frye may just get to that point, but for right now we needed a starting PF who could rebound and score and Zach does that. The only thing he's missing is Shotblocking. Still for what we gave up he was a good move. We got rid of Francis and that helped out guard glut. We moved Frye who wasn't physical enough for what we wanted. On another team that doesn't need him to play that role he can be good.

And another thing. Since when does a draft pick become automatic? Not all picks work out as you would want. Frye may go on to do well in a different system. No one is saying that he stinks now just because he isn't working out next to Curry. You keep missing this point in your rush to judge me as not making sense.

Posted by TheGame:

Bottom line, Randolph is a better player than Frye is likely to become in the next 3-4 years. IT realized it and cut bait. IMO it was a smart move.

It does not mean that Frye does not have game, he just was not likely to develop into the type of scorer that Randolph is or if he does, he was not likely to do it within the next 2-3 years and IT is in the win now mode.

[Edited by - thegame on 07-09-2007 9:57 PM]