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So, What Does This Say About "Bigs" Eddy Curry, Randolph Morris, David Lee and Zach Randolph?
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franco12
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7/8/2007  10:46 PM
Nate McMillian on the portland/dallas summer league game just said he thinks Frye can play some 3 - in the right situations.

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7/8/2007  11:13 PM
Randolph Morris has talent but just because we have him, many seemt to want to not even give him a chance. The guy was doing work in college. He's not great, but not a bum either. He's a good prospect. What I saw of him against good Comp has me believing he can do something in the pros. He's got a stronger base and is more agile than Frye. He has good size and can even block shots. He's not a aggressive rebounder, but I wouldn't say that he doesn't rebound. He also passes and is very intelligent. The last 2 years in college did wonders for him.

I think our group of bigs is one of the best in the NBA at this point. Portland has a nice group of young bigs too. We have 2 guys that can't be stopped, one guy that rebounds like a fool and all of them are still young and improving. If we can get all of these guys to focus and give more effort on D, this team is gonna have a lot of success in the coming years. One good thing is that all of them have shown a willingness to improve their games recently. I'm very satisfied with what we have in our big men.
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7/9/2007  7:56 AM
>>We spent all our time developing Curry up front last year and nothing was done to develop Frye or put him in a position where we could really accent his game.

VDesai - to be certain, Frye was placed in a secondary role to Eddy, but at some point - you gotta move on. Would you have preferred Lee was traded to Portland?

i'm down with nixluva - The Knicks frontline has upgraded its talent. Now, the opportunity is on the table for them to cohere as a unit.

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7/9/2007  8:40 AM
earl- No...I wouldn't have preferred Lee be moved (not sure why you got that impression as I never mentioned Lee once), but I made no secret throughout the season that I thought the personnel with Marbury etc. fit around Frye's game a little bit better than Curry's. But we've committed to Curry and I only asked that we commit in one direction, b/c having both wasn't working. Clearly we've made a strong committment to a low post/inside scoring offense as opposed to more of a finesse/motion/pick and roll type of O. I'm ready to see them move forward with it.
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7/9/2007  8:53 AM
Posted by VDesai:

earl- No...I wouldn't have preferred Lee be moved (not sure why you got that impression as I never mentioned Lee once), but I made no secret throughout the season that I thought the personnel with Marbury etc. fit around Frye's game a little bit better than Curry's. But we've committed to Curry and I only asked that we commit in one direction, b/c having both wasn't working. Clearly we've made a strong committment to a low post/inside scoring offense as opposed to more of a finesse/motion/pick and roll type of O. I'm ready to see them move forward with it.
One of Marbury's best strengths is the pick and roll game but Isiah seems dead set against it.
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7/9/2007  9:31 AM
I think it's all said and done.
Only future will tell who is wrong and who is right
Lets follow Fry, Eddy, and Z-bo next season and will see how it will play off and will it "Playoff" for the Knicks and Portland.
I believe anybody on this board (maybe except earl and nix) will switch the roster with Portland in a heart-bit including IT and we will have one heapy campus. But live is hard...
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7/9/2007  9:34 AM
To avoid getting banned by posting like an internet gangsta, enyspree released this final statement in regards to channing Frye:

"Saying channing has a post game is like saying Vanessa del Rio has a penis when we all know she doesn't."
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7/9/2007  9:43 AM
a great man once said "to be a Knicks fan is to suffer"

>>I believe anybody on this board (maybe except earl and nix) will switch the roster with Portland in a heart-bit including IT and we will have one heapy campus.

arkrud - switching rosters? what is this, the freakin' Frankenstein Rotissiere League?

I have no desire to covet any other teams entire roster. The Knicks are a work-in-progress whose future is brighter than at any time since the 1999 miracle run to The Finals.

c'mon dude, you can always switch teams.



enjoy the ride

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-09-2007 09:44 AM]
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7/9/2007  10:16 AM
I disagree that Frye has the type of frame to put on more pounds. He's a long lanky guy. You see players like Rasheed Wallace, Dirk Nowitzki, and Kevin Garnett, who've lasted this long without getting significantly bigger.

The leap in size Frye made from his rookie year to his sophomore year was huge. Surely a 7 footer would have difficultly re-learning his balance after gaining so much upper-body bulk, right?
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7/9/2007  10:34 AM
Posted by misterearl:

a great man once said "to be a Knicks fan is to suffer"

>>I believe anybody on this board (maybe except earl and nix) will switch the roster with Portland in a heart-bit including IT and we will have one heapy campus.

arkrud - switching rosters? what is this, the freakin' Frankenstein Rotissiere League?

I have no desire to covet any other teams entire roster. The Knicks are a work-in-progress whose future is brighter than at any time since the 1999 miracle run to The Finals.

c'mon dude, you can always switch teams.



enjoy the ride

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-09-2007 09:44 AM]

I pointed out that you will oppose so no disrespect.
Both NY and Portland was in a very similar mess 4 years back.
Now we see what we see. Both runners will step on Start line in 4 month.
And will see who will finish the 82 games Marathon first and who will go home.
Time for reality check is coming close.





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7/9/2007  10:42 AM
arkud - no disrespect assumed

Portland is a long way from Broadway and Cablevision

Personally, I'm looking forward to this season with my orange and blue armor and shield, ready for battle.

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[Edited by - misterearl on 07-09-2007 10:43 AM]
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7/9/2007  10:50 AM

I will watch Portland as they now are an interesting team to follow. Oden will command attention as would any #1 pick, but the transformation to a real youth rebuild is interesting. Not many teams have the balls or the money to do this. And few seem to do it right.

Paul allen is a rich man and I applaud the effort to blow up the JailBlazers and go in this route.

They have no competition in Portland so the Blazers kinda rule the sports entertainment dollar.

Obviously portland has a huge upside but they have a lot of work to do also. Would I trade them for our knicks? Yeah, I wanted a youth rebuild for years, but this is NY and its an entertainment business first and formost.

Don't mean I won't root for the Knicks to succeed, but I like the NBA and like to follow a few teams on a very causual basis.
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7/9/2007  11:03 AM
Nalod - you recognize the difference between markets. Wheras Portland might have a bit more patience for a rebuild done via the draft, the courtside seats at The Garden go for a grand a pop.

you make an excellent point about the entertainment dollar. In Portland, the Blazers are the only show in town. Hell, they're the only pro show in the state. In New York, you can stroll past MSG and choose from as diverse a palette of culture as there is anywhere on the planet.

Dolan, like all the Knicks ownershhip groups before him, was wary of risking his core/casual audience. Once the NY media turns on you, it ain't pretty.

with that said, our roster is suddenly an curious blend of experience and yoot.

nalod - are you watching at 10PM?

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-09-2007 11:05 AM]
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7/9/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by misterearl:

a great man once said "to be a Knicks fan is to suffer"

>>I believe anybody on this board (maybe except earl and nix) will switch the roster with Portland in a heart-bit including IT and we will have one heapy campus.

arkrud - switching rosters? what is this, the freakin' Frankenstein Rotissiere League?

I have no desire to covet any other teams entire roster. The Knicks are a work-in-progress whose future is brighter than at any time since the 1999 miracle run to The Finals.

c'mon dude, you can always switch teams.



enjoy the ride

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-09-2007 09:44 AM]

I pointed out that you will oppose so no disrespect.
Both NY and Portland was in a very similar mess 4 years back.
Now we see what we see. Both runners will step on Start line in 4 month.
And will see who will finish the 82 games Marathon first and who will go home.
Time for reality check is coming close.

Don't get me wrong. I love what Portland has done, but they got the break of a lifetime. They then made some great moves, but to start with they did catch a major break and I doubt they'd look so promising had they not gotten so lucky. Still They will be an exciting young team to watch for years to come, but let's not rush to give them anything yet. That team is as green as a spring leaf and they are in the West. I don't expect to see them do much for a while. NY is in a totally different situation.

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7/9/2007  12:37 PM
The Grass Is Greener - part 246

nixluva - people love Portland all of a sudden. that's cool. But there is another franchise that got rid off all its assets for picks and dreck... and chose to rebuild via the draft.

They have had first round picks out the butt and haven't sniffed the playoffs in nearly a decade.

They are still stuck in rebuild mode with too many forwards and a question mark backcourt.

The Atlanta Hawks
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7/9/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The Grass Is Greener - part 246

nixluva - people love Portland all of a sudden. that's cool. But there is another franchise that got rid off all its assets for picks and dreck... and chose to rebuild via the draft.

They have had first round picks out the butt and haven't sniffed the playoffs in nearly a decade.

They are still stuck in rebuild mode with too many forwards and a question mark backcourt.

The Atlanta Hawks

The Hawks

That's always your retort when people talk about rebuilding via the draft. We all know the Hawks have had a ton of ownership problems and haven't hired the right people. What you fail to mention are the teams like Cleveland, Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago, San Antonio amongst others who have rebuilt through the draft. Yeah it didn't work out for the Hawks but it's their own fault for making stupid decisions, not the fact that they chose to rebuild.
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7/9/2007  12:48 PM
The Hawks have HUGE ownership problems, with owners suing each other and preventing the team from making any moves, has a completely imcompetent GM and play in possibly the worst pro sports town in america, where nobody really wants to play.

But some people will use them as the posterchild for why building through the draft and cap space won't work.

Seriously, can people really be that stupid to make that kind of connection?
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7/9/2007  1:00 PM
Who cares how teams have gone about building? I only care about this Knicks team. I think we've spent a reasonable amount of time building this team. No more than it takes most teams to put together a good team. I know many fans don't like it, but for this city and this owner, this may be the best we could do in terms of trying to rebuild. It wasn't a 100% rebuild, but when you turn over your roster in a short span of time like we have it's still a rebuild. It's just not the classic type many think of. Dolan would never go for that. He has to have some kind of marquee name on the team to sell tickets.

This hasn't completely stopped Isiah from adding youth and talent that we can win with. It hasn't yet fully manifested itself in wins, but I think that's about to change. We're as loaded as any team, so I feel comfortable with where we're at. This isn't a one man team like Cleveland. As fans we should be happy with this teams current level of talent and looking forward to the seasons to come, cuz this team isn't old.
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7/9/2007  1:20 PM
The Hawks ownership problems are only within the last two years.

nyk4ever - the point being is that the draft swings either way. If you have an eye for talent, you also must be able to re-sign the correct players after three years of auditions. Just ask the LAClippers.

nixluva - instead of a tone-dimensional rebuild, the Knicks have undergone a neo-classic retrofit. What is a retrofit?

The infusion of of a truckload of yoot with a few crusty veterans. Stir in a few almost thirty year-olds and bake at 350 degrees.

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[Edited by - misterearl on 07-09-2007 1:20 PM]
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7/10/2007  1:59 PM
Randolph Morris or Jerome James?

You make the call
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