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Gamble on Artest without giving up Lee....Yes or No??
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Silverfuel
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I can't get a good read on how many fans want an Artest trade to go down. Lets help the newspapers, Isiah and anyone else reading by showing them which way we lean. As a Knick fan, if you can get Artest without giving up David Lee, do you gamble?
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misterearl
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7/6/2007  10:42 AM
kam77 - then again

Isiah keeps Wilson Chandler to help him forget losing Trevor Ariza

Nichols stays because of his outside range potential

Randolph Morris is insurance at center and you can never have enough center insurance

Renaldo moves the crowd and adds perimeter defense, if Artest loses his mind... he steps in at the three

Lee, as much as it may hurt emotionally, is expendable and holds measurable value that cannot be predicted so easily in the yoot

I'm bracing for the Lee farewell

and I love David Lee
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MS
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7/6/2007  10:46 AM
I forgot about Nicolas

So why not give them: Jefferies, Nate, Chandler, Morris that's not a bad deal for them either, but i believe and have always believed Lee is going to be traded. The white guy never stood a chance.....

And anytime their are motor question like there are about chandler i think you don't wait to see what he can do
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7/6/2007  10:48 AM
MS - angst aside, do you value a sixth man over a starter?
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7/6/2007  10:54 AM
if we can get him w/o trading D Lee, Jamal, Curry, Balkman or Mardy, i have no issues w/trading for him... anyone else i have no problem giving up for him, including Marbury & Zach for that matter.
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7/6/2007  10:59 AM
I'm bracing for David Lee being traded too. But not for crazy Ron. For Kobe, KG, Gasol, etc... yeah for that kind of player you gotta add Lee to the package. Crazy RON? CRAZY ****ing RON??!
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7/6/2007  10:59 AM
The poll didn't even mention keeping Curry. It said only that we'd be keeping Lee and the voting is still 17 to 2 in favor of Artest.
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7/6/2007  11:03 AM
Lee I would start, but now we have zach we can't put if your one of the leagues most efficient players and best rebounders and your team sucks and your not starting, thats a big problem. You put a half decent pg with lee and balkman and watch out.

So if we don't give up those players our team is going to be?

Marbury/Collins
Crawford/Balkman
Artest/Q
Randolf/Lee
Curry/James

Just for arguments sake if you started Balkman and played him 38 minutes a night do you think he would have more of an impact than jamal. I am not biased i am just being open minded to the fact that crawford is a good sixth man that should not be a starter, and balkman would do more for the team than crawford, better defense, more rbs, stls, blks. Crawford more points and assists...
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7/6/2007  11:07 AM
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.4 ppg, 12.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 39.5 minutes
Incoming
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
23.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.7 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.6 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 4.4 apg in 37.3 minutes
Renaldo Balkman
6-7 SF from South Carolina
4.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.7 minutes
David Lee
6-9 SF from Florida
10.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 29.8 minutes

And then send jefferies, chandler, nate, morris for artest

Marbury/Collins
Q
Artest
Garnett/Rose
Curry/James

I am not even sure that minnesota would take that deal, since everyone wants garnett thats probably what you would have to give
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7/6/2007  12:19 PM
If you want Artest, you have to give up something. I'd do once of the contracts (Dickau or Jones), plus Balkman and a 2nd round pick.

Artest, if he can behave for 70 games, makes this team legit in the East. We'd be able to give the Nets & Raptors a run for their money in the Atlantic.
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7/6/2007  12:22 PM
[IF ARTEST CAN BEHAVE]
Posted by LBeast:

Artest, if he can behave for 70 games, makes this team legit in the East. We'd be able to give the Nets & Raptors a run for their money in the Atlantic.
With Artest, Zach and Eddy up front, I think we can give Detroit and Miami a run for there money. Hell, I'd say we can compete with some of the non-elite teams out west.
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7/6/2007  12:27 PM
Artest is likely to miss the first 5-10 games next year because of a domestic violence charge he plead guilty to. So thats 72-77 games he will be eligible to play. Add in some minor injuries an ejection or two... this guy will barely play 70 games and thats if we're lucky and he manages to behave himself. He's already been suspended once for 73 games. If he does something incredibly dumb (again) Stern will bring the hammer down on him. Why do we want this?
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7/6/2007  12:33 PM
No thanks to Artest. Too many headaches already on the team and there are already too many concerns and worries. We don't need a walking timebomb in the locker room. I'd much rather we go after Gerald Wallace, who blocks mad shots anyway and that's much more of what we need.
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7/6/2007  12:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

trading lee for artest fills a much needed hole in the starting unit.

trading lee for artest leaves a gaping hole in the 2nd unit.

can you find a replacement for lee?
can you find an adequate alternative to artest?

and is artest worth it?

All of these quetions need to be under serious consideration before pulling the trigger fir Artest.

Who can replace Lee? Some feel Balk does a lot of the same things Lee does. Energy, rebounding (give Balk Lee's minutes and I'm sure the rebounding numbers would be close), Balk is also a better shot-blocker and slightly better defender. Balk is not as good a passer as Lee, nor is he as big as Lee so there are some rebounds the Lee could outmuscle an opponent for that Balk can't.

Can we find an adequate alternative for Artest? G Wallace. But Artest market value is lower than Wallace's. Dont think we have enough to land G Wallace.

Is Artets worth it? If we land Artest, i can see it playing out similar to the 99 team. We can make a run next year in the weakened east. But eventually, these moves of Zach and Artest can come back to bite us in the butt. Only good thing is Artest Contract expires with Marb so we could let him walk.

MrEarl made a good point. Essentially, Lee is our sixth man. Is it worth giving up a sixth man for a starter who fills more needs? Plus, Lee is still injured with this mysterious injury. I know its too earky to say damaged goods but......
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7/6/2007  12:49 PM
When did those moves in 99 come back to hurt us.

Thomas, Camby, Sprewell would give our frontline a run for their money right now. Had we not traded Camby and Ewing we could have really had a good team for a while and cap room. And Houston was here in 96 so perhaps giving houston 30 more million than he deserved was the problem.

The knicks as constructed are in some trouble because we have three guys that are terrible on defense likely to get 35 minutes a night, in craw, randolf, and eddy, you have to do the deal
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7/6/2007  12:51 PM
Please God, let Isiah trade Lee for Artest.

Nothing would make me happier. It would be like cutting the wrong wire and having the timer on the bomb speed up exponentially.
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7/6/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

No thanks to Artest. Too many headaches already on the team and there are already too many concerns and worries. We don't need a walking timebomb in the locker room. I'd much rather we go after Gerald Wallace, who blocks mad shots anyway and that's much more of what we need.

G Wall is likely going to command a hefty contract & a good amount of young talent to get him though... are you willing to give up D Lee, Balkman & the expirings along with signing him to a big money deal to get him?
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7/6/2007  1:05 PM
I think trading Lee is huge financial blunder
Dolan need to fill the Garden with fans and we already have Z-bo to bring Wrestling-lovers to the Garden.
Why to get Ron? It's duplication. Same fan base.
Lee created a huge interest for intelligent bbal fans who want to see the old style intelligent game of basketball not the high flying athletic bull only.
Why to pass on easy money?
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7/6/2007  1:13 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Please God, let Isiah trade Lee for Artest.

Nothing would make me happier. It would be like cutting the wrong wire and having the timer on the bomb speed up exponentially.

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7/6/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by arkrud:

I think trading Lee is huge financial blunder
Dolan need to fill the Garden with fans and we already have Z-bo to bring Wrestling-lovers to the Garden.
Why to get Ron? It's duplication. Same fan base.
Lee created a huge interest for intelligent bbal fans who want to see the old style intelligent game of basketball not the high flying athletic bull only.
Why to pass on easy money?

Are you new to Knicks basketball? I am asking this because you always seem to think there is a problem with the organization generating money.
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7/6/2007  1:23 PM
i have always wanted artest in ny. but this time i will pass because its all pending on who is our next coach period
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