Posted by TMS:

We've been burned badly with the Curry trade, IMHO.

Ty Thomas & Joakim Noah is what you call being burned badly? neither 1 has proven anything at the NBA level... maybe if they both become Allstars, then sure, you can say that, but it will take a few years to find out.

Why? Curry hasn't become an all star either so how can you measure that if Curry hasn't been one? I'm not even saying it's going to work out. I'm just saying, those 2 could become very good players and Curry could become very good players but there's a good chance that all 3 will never be all stars. The point is, the jury is still out on who won this trade. Lets see how Curry reacts to this Randolf trade.

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Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

besides the fact that we got Wilson Chandler in the deal as well... people always want to ignore this when they speak about the Curry deal.

Wow, they got Wilson Chandler???

THE Wilson Chandler??

What the hell were we thinking.

dude, you know the point i was trying to make... stop being a moron.

You do understand the point that the Knicks didn't have to take the same players that the Bulls did, right?

How about Roy/Gay and Noah/Law/Thornton/Wright?

I bet one of those players can average the 19pts that is the only thing that Curry gives you.

That's not hindsight. The Knicks needed help at the 2 and 3 positions. Still do. They just drafted Frye and Lee and the team was giddy about what they showed in their first year. So they're going to draft a raw PF in Thomas? Doesn't make any sense. The logical move if the Knicks had kept their pick was to take Roy or Gay.

More than a few of us said that back when that draft was taking place. That's not hindsight.

LOL. You can't say one player is not first round material and then say that well the Knicks didn't have to take the same player the Bulls took and be expected to be taken serious. Why wouldn't the Knicks taken Ty Thomas or Noah if you go by mock draft rankings like the Balkman and Chandler picks.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by TMS:

We've been burned badly with the Curry trade, IMHO.

Ty Thomas & Joakim Noah is what you call being burned badly? neither 1 has proven anything at the NBA level... maybe if they both become Allstars, then sure, you can say that, but it will take a few years to find out.

Why? Curry hasn't become an all star either so how can you measure that if Curry hasn't been one? I'm not even saying it's going to work out. I'm just saying, those 2 could become very good players and Curry could become very good players but there's a good chance that all 3 will never be all stars. The point is, the jury is still out on who won this trade. Lets see how Curry reacts to this Randolf trade.

because he said we got "burned badly" on that deal... that means it was a greatly lopsided deal in Chicago's favor... so by that notion, you'd have to say that unless those 2 kids turn into Allstars & neither Curry or Chandler do, then it's an exaggeration at best... isn't that fair? i agree, the jury's still out, but right now i think the Knicks look better.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-05-2007 12:47 PM]

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Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by kam77:

ISlesfan how is that hindsight of yours, still 20/20?

You may not post here enough to know that this is not hindsight from Isles. He was against the Curry trade from the beginning. He thought not protecting the picks was a disaster back when the trade was made. And even when Isiah was hired he thought it would be the disaster the past four years have been. If any one person deserves credit for *foresight* on this board, it's Islesfan.

Was he right about you? I mean was his foresight on point about Bonn1997?

Not at all. Bonn is a big enough man to admit that he was wrong at first. Now he's seeing things with much greater clarity.

Good for him.

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Posted by Panos:

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Posted by Panos:

Posted by TMS:

besides the fact that we got Wilson Chandler in the deal as well... people always want to ignore this when they speak about the Curry deal.

I want to see Chandler before commenting on that. Another guy no one else was interested in.

so do i, just saying people are commenting on Noah when they haven't seen him at this level yet, & harping on losing out on Ty Thomas, who hasn't proven anything either... Curry & Chandler for TT & Noah seems like a damn good trade off in my eyes right now, but again, we have to wait a few years to fairly judge that one.

I'll grant that we probably would have taken Thomas at the 2, at least that was the talk at the time.
Of course you never know.
However, I don't believe we would have taken Noah at 9. He's not a IT type player and there were other options.

just for kicks, who do you think fits the IT mold that was available at the 9? i think it's better to get that type of stuff out of the way now, than to wait until next year & see who turns out to be the best rookie taken past the #8 slot & bemoan the fact that Isiah didn't pick him, don't you agree?

Sure. Problem is that I'll never claim to be able to predict who IT would pick, he's just too unpredictable.
If I must, I'd say he would have picked Acie Law or Thaddeus Young.

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Posted by Panos:

Posted by TMS:

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Posted by TMS:

besides the fact that we got Wilson Chandler in the deal as well... people always want to ignore this when they speak about the Curry deal.

I want to see Chandler before commenting on that. Another guy no one else was interested in.

so do i, just saying people are commenting on Noah when they haven't seen him at this level yet, & harping on losing out on Ty Thomas, who hasn't proven anything either... Curry & Chandler for TT & Noah seems like a damn good trade off in my eyes right now, but again, we have to wait a few years to fairly judge that one.

I'll grant that we probably would have taken Thomas at the 2, at least that was the talk at the time.
Of course you never know.
However, I don't believe we would have taken Noah at 9. He's not a IT type player and there were other options.

just for kicks, who do you think fits the IT mold that was available at the 9? i think it's better to get that type of stuff out of the way now, than to wait until next year & see who turns out to be the best rookie taken past the #8 slot & bemoan the fact that Isiah didn't pick him, don't you agree?

Sure. Problem is that I'll never claim to be able to predict who IT would pick, he's just too unpredictable.
If I must, I'd say he would have picked Acie Law or Thaddeus Young.

If they were still trading away Frye and depending on Lee's health, I think Noah would have been a candidate as well. They still need a big who can and likes to play defense.

Personally, I don't think Noah's game is going to translate to the NBA level.
I'm willing to go on the record with that, and be proven wrong.
And I don't think he's "athletic" enough for Isiah. Just my belief...


[Edited by - panos on 05-07-2007 1:06 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Panos, it's not that i'm trying to prove you right or wrong... just making a point that it irks me when people bring up the fact that we didn't draft this guy or that guy in hindsight after they already know how those players turned out at the NBA level (unless it's painfully obvious as was the case in the Frederic Weiss over Ron Artest fiasco)

I hear you. That's why I'm willing to go on the record now to say that I think Law and Young will be bigger impact players than Noah, and I also happen to think that they are more of IT's type of player.

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Posted by TMS:

Panos, it's not that i'm trying to prove you right or wrong... just making a point that it irks me when people bring up the fact that we didn't draft this guy or that guy in hindsight after they already know how those players turned out at the NBA level (unless it's painfully obvious as was the case in the Frederic Weiss over Ron Artest fiasco)

It's not hindsight if it was said at the time and not after it played itself out.

It irks me when people think that a draft would have fallen the same way regardless of who was picking or considering the different needs of teams.

what were you calling before the draft? i didn't hear you mention Brandon Roy last year before the draft... all the talk was about Ty Thomas or LaMarcus Aldridge on this forum (if i'm wrong on that i apologize)... i also didn't hear the prospect who you think IT should have drafted with the #9 pick in this draft that makes Curry & Chandler so much worse in comparison... so who do you think IT should have drafted this year if he hadn't made the Curry trade? let's hear it now rather than waiting til next year to see who the best rookie is taken past #8.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-05-2007 1:24 PM]

Posted by Panos:

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Posted by TMS:

Panos, it's not that i'm trying to prove you right or wrong... just making a point that it irks me when people bring up the fact that we didn't draft this guy or that guy in hindsight after they already know how those players turned out at the NBA level (unless it's painfully obvious as was the case in the Frederic Weiss over Ron Artest fiasco)

I hear you. That's why I'm willing to go on the record now to say that I think Law and Young will be bigger impact players than Noah, and I also happen to think that they are more of IT's type of player.

TMS - am I on the record with this?

if u want to be, sure... don't worry, i will personally vouge for you if the time comes & you're proven right... cool?