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joec32033
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Given the choice who would you rather keep if you had to choose? I know taking just career stats into account Jamal is a clear winner, but taking all things into account.
Jamal Crawford
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McK1
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7/4/2007  10:49 PM
OK but how many will Jamal give up?

Wade vs NY 28.5 ppg

Kobe vs NY 31

Rip vs NY 32 ppg

and even tho he doesn't guard billups

Chauncey 20.3pts 10.6 assists vs NY



[Edited by - McK1 on 04-07-2007 10:51 PM]
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7/4/2007  11:12 PM
if you're considering fit, we have to remember how good Craw was at feeding Curry
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7/4/2007  11:17 PM
IT is looking for talants not for fits.
So forget about Fred.
Without Craf who will make circus shorts and cross-over people.
Are you kidding?
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7/4/2007  11:28 PM
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Is this a joke?

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7/4/2007  11:30 PM
...um cuz Fred Jones is on the team don't think he will have that much if any impact. He will have no where near the impact Crawford has on the Knicks. Fred Jones has never averaged double figures in his career. He is a career bench dweller. If he was better than Crawford he would have started on the Raptors and the Blazers. He even said he is losing his hops and thats his trademark. This is like asking would you like make sexytime with Jessica Alba or Martha Stewart? Sure Martha can cook, but it's Jessica ****ing Alba.
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7/4/2007  11:35 PM
This like asking do you like women or men dressed like women...........
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7/4/2007  11:37 PM
Posted by Anji:

This like asking do you like women or men dressed like women...........

Are you sure you want to ask that question on this forum? j/k
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7/4/2007  11:45 PM
I don't know man........... forget about JC and if you like him or not.

We talk bout Fred Jones
We talking bout Fred Jones
Who the hell is Fred Jones!!!


I would start the dude from scooby Doo before I started This dude.

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7/5/2007  12:34 AM
keep jones, of course. why?....jc could be used to bait bigger fish
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7/5/2007  2:11 AM
other than the fact that Jones has an expiring contract, it's not even close... Jamal is a much more talented player & scorer than Jones.
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7/5/2007  2:40 AM
Posted by McK1:

OK but how many will Jamal give up?

Wade vs NY 28.5 ppg

Kobe vs NY 31

Rip vs NY 32 ppg

and even tho he doesn't guard billups

Chauncey 20.3pts 10.6 assists vs NY
[Edited by - McK1 on 04-07-2007 10:51 PM]

I'm not sure you can attribute all of the points scored by those guys to be against Jamal. Also that's quite a list of All Star offensive players. It doesn't seem that surprising that they get up for the challange and score a lot in response to Jamal going off or Q and Steph for that matter. Our perimeter D isn't very good. The funny thing is that other teams can't stop our guards either. Steph can score whenever he wants to, Q didn't seem to have a problem getting off and Jamal may not shoot a high %, but that wasn't due anyone's D on him. He just takes some crazy shots at times. When he wants to score no one can stay in front of him.
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7/5/2007  2:49 AM
no one will argue, crawford is the better player. we have now a host of talent and crawford could be used to maximize a trade.
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7/5/2007  6:00 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

I will post my poll tomorrow...would you rather: a) have court side seats, or b) get stuck on a crowded subway? Discuss...

I don't know how to evaluate this. I never had court side seats.
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7/5/2007  6:37 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by VDesai:

On what universe is Fred Jone better than Jamal Crawford?

I didn't say BETTER, not once. This is a fit vs. talent(?) for lack of a better term type of question.

Ok, but Jamal Crawford is so much better than Jones that he's a much better fit.

Agreed. It is not like Crawford does not have a place on the team or does not fill a need. We just need him to play better defense and cut down on the wild shots.
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7/5/2007  8:22 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by McK1:

OK but how many will Jamal give up?

Wade vs NY 28.5 ppg

Kobe vs NY 31

Rip vs NY 32 ppg

and even tho he doesn't guard billups

Chauncey 20.3pts 10.6 assists vs NY
[Edited by - McK1 on 04-07-2007 10:51 PM]

I'm not sure you can attribute all of the points scored by those guys to be against Jamal. Also that's quite a list of All Star offensive players. It doesn't seem that surprising that they get up for the challange and score a lot in response to Jamal going off or Q and Steph for that matter. Our perimeter D isn't very good. The funny thing is that other teams can't stop our guards either. Steph can score whenever he wants to, Q didn't seem to have a problem getting off and Jamal may not shoot a high %, but that wasn't due anyone's D on him. He just takes some crazy shots at times. When he wants to score no one can stay in front of him.

that is the problem. all he does is want to put the ball up and he is too inefficient at scoring to be that kind of player

an interesting stat:

           G GS MIN   FGM-A       

05-06 NYK 79 27 2,555 366-879   

06-07 NYK 59 36 2,198 354-886


in 06-07 he took 4 more shots per and the net result was a mere 3 more ppg. his fg% from 2 and 3 both dropped.

something else of note:

in 02-03 he was giving Chi 11 and 4 in 25 mpg on 41% and 36%. the next year with a 10 mpg increase and starting role, his assist number rose by 1. his scoring went up by 6 but he shot 39 from 2 and near 32 from 3. thru out his career the more he shoots the worst his percentages get. his best assets is his passing and shooting with his feet set. As long as he is allowed to gun no team he plays for will win.

IMO his best role is as a back-up guard similar to how the Hawks use Tyronn Lue. 14 and 6 in 27 mpg off the pine is maximizing Crawford IMO
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7/5/2007  8:39 AM
I don't think he'd get 6 assists in 27 mpg unless he's playing the PG position (which would never work). I think you'd look at 14 and 3.5 or 4 in 27 mpg.
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7/5/2007  8:43 AM
Posted by joec32033:

[quote]Posted by VDesai:

A) Fred can't shoot at all. His career shooting percentages are on par with Crawford and he doesn't have the J that Craw has. Craw has worse shot selection. I'll give you that. But Fred still manages to only get 39% of his shots in.


To me, 39% of quality shots is better than 39% of the shots of someone with bad shot selection, IMO.

Why? 39% is 39%. If Fred Jones can take good shots and only hit 39% he's not getting any better. Jamal's 39% can be improved by better shot selection and his true shooting % is much higher than Jones b/c of his 3's and FT's,
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7/5/2007  8:45 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't think he'd get 6 assists in 27 mpg unless he's playing the PG position (which would never work). I think you'd look at 14 and 3.5 or 4 in 27 mpg.

why would it never work? when he's been called upon to play more minutes at the point last year, he's delivered with double digit Assist games... he played very under control when playing the point in LB's system a year before that (Marbury was technically the PG but LB used him more as a SG on several occasions)... i bet you anything if you gave Jamal starter's minutes as a PG, he'd easily give you a lot more than the 5.4 assists that Marbury put up last season.
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7/5/2007  9:33 AM
BT on the radio the other night, when asked who the knicks would have to give up to get artest, said "you ain't getting jamal, i'm not giving you crawford in that deal" I must be the only one missing something here, but we are the worst defensive team going, mainly because of players like crawford, and he doesn't want to a deal that would give marbury more time, along with collins and give us the best on ball defender in the entire league, someone that can take us to the conference finals for a few shots in the forth.

Jones is not in the plans nor should he be, he sucked in tor and port. If we want to beat the cavs, the heat, and any other team that is run through one player you need to bring in ron to harrass. He is going to get you rbs, stls and some points.

This trade makes us tough with collins, artest, q, balkman, and lee.
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7/5/2007  9:42 AM
Jamal is a better pure scorer than any of those guys... you can't win with just defense... you need guys who can score the basket also... Artest is a good scorer as well, but he doesn't take over a game & light up the scoreboard the way Jamal can when he gets it going... we don't have any other player like Jamal in that sense... best to hold onto him... certainly you don't want to give him up for Artest, who carries with him some major baggage as well... for expirings & Nate & maybe another minor asset, that's perfectly fine... SAC is not the ones in a position of strength here, & there are very limited options for Artest at this point since he's already gone on record saying he wants to play for the Knicks when he opts out next year anyway... i agree w/BT completely... no way do i give up D Lee or Jamal in any deal for Artest... that would just be stupid.
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