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Who would you rather the Knicks target to be our SF?


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TMS
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Keep in mind what it will likely take to get these guys from their respective teams as well as contracts, team chemistry, etc.
Ron Artest
Shawn Marion
Gerald Wallace
Andrei Kirilenko
Maurice Peterson
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7/4/2007  1:10 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Wallace cannot shoot. D. Steveson can

D Stevenson is pretty much Q Rich in many aspects... i like the idea of going after G Wallace, but like BigC pointed out, Jordan negotiating w/Isiah doesn't seem likely to end in our favor... i think Artest is the most realistic option at this point, & contract wise he carries the least amount of risk also.
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7/4/2007  3:15 AM
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7/4/2007  8:30 AM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by McK1:

AK47 for the point forward skills plus the defense
Artest can do that for about half the price of his salary.


Artest can torpedo your season early with his antics. Kirilenko costs more but is last season withstanding - much more professional

Ak-47 did not act like a professional last year. He told Russian news papers that he wanted to leave then he told the Jazz players that he wanted to stay. He was phyically crying about playing on the Jazz. And did not want to shoot because he felt he should be the #1 option. He also spent the season like he did not care about the season. HIs teammates also questioned his heart. He also lost his starting job at one point because he was not playing with passion. Here is some info on Ak-47
With those words, Kirilenko might have officially been placed on the trade market, after a season characterized by what Miller described as "severe frustration." Miller also said of Kirilenko's recent outbursts: "He needs to grow up . . . and I just hope he will."
The always outspoken Miller acknowledged the impact his comments would have and offered his belief that Kirilenko, 26, might be untradeable given the $63 million he is owed through 2010-11 on his contract.



"What'll happen now," Miller said, "if nothing else even from this conversation, which will get around the league, [is] that the vultures will start circling and people will start bargain hunting."
Kevin O'Connor, the Jazz's senior vice president of basketball operations, did not return a call Thursday night.
The question is whether the Jazz could get fair return on a trade after a season in which Kirilenko averaged just 8.3 points and 4.7 rebounds. The Jazz's best hope, Miller said, would be to find a team whose general manager is a true believer in Kirilenko's skills.
The other option would be to find a team whose open-court style is better suited to Kirilenko's game. Should no trade happen, the question is whether Kirilenko has worn out his welcome in Utah and if his relationship with the team can be repaired.
Earlier this week, Jazz coach Jerry Sloan pronounced himself "disappointed" in comments Kirilenko made to a Russian newspaper. Miller took things a step further Thursday.
"Some of the stuff that's coming out of his mouth reflects at least severe frustration and maybe brain fade, OK," Miller said. "But it's been surprising in some of the things he's said when he went back to Russia.
"I think he thought the Iron Curtain was still up and it blocked electronic communication."
While Deron Williams, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur all emerged as stars this season, Kirilenko often was lost on the floor and an emotional wreck. Miller, however, called into question Kirilenko's effort as the team's highest-paid player.
The owner said Kirilenko once described his role as that of a spectator, standing in the corner on the far side of the court, waiting for a shot to go up and then running back on defense. An incredulous Miller said on air, "Do I have stupid written on my forehead?"
Miller cited the "paltry" $12.3 million Kirilenko made last season as well as the way Kirilenko's agent built him up to be a player worthy of a maximum contract. He also borrowed a favorite Sloan saying: "Have you missed any paychecks?"
"Maybe I'm being a bad guy for saying this," Miller said. "When I pay a guy all the money . . . I expect him to play. And I expect him to play well."
The onus is on Kirilenko, Miller said, to find a way to impact the game, whether through defense or rebounding, when his shot isn't falling. He suggested Kirilenko study how forward Matt Harpring plays, never mind that Kirilenko starts ahead of Harpring.
"When Andrei's really good, we are a really good team," Miller said. "I guess we know what we're going to get from Deron and from Mehmet and from Carlos, so then Andrei becomes a wild card, a variable, that can really have a great deal to do with our success or lack of it."

I said AK has been a pro with the exception of last season. if I was to go thru the archives on Artest incidents UK would have another 7 pager before anyone even gets to reply.
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7/4/2007  8:42 AM
I'd add Diaw to this list
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7/4/2007  9:03 AM
Posted by McK1:

I'd add Diaw to this list

I would have to agree with that choice. I think his role got cut to minuim when Amare came back. Also Ak-47 main complaint was that he was not the go to guy and Boozer was. Would Ak-47 like taking a back seat scoring with Zach and Curry being here is the question. If he did not like being a Knicks we would probably be stuck with him until 2011 with him getting paid 17 mil.

Also I am a A-47 fan. The Jazz were winning and he still wanted to complain. If we had Ron he does not care about being the go to guy.
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7/4/2007  9:47 AM
after the 03-04 season Ron took a shot at O' Neal saying he and not Jermaine was the teams MVP and he himself should've been considered for league MVP.

I don't think its about AK scoring as much as it is about wanting to be involved. Let him make reads from the perimeter. at 6'11 he can see over almost any perimeter player u put on him I trust his decision making in the passing game more than Ron Curry and Zach combined
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7/4/2007  9:58 AM
I have a feeling----Al Harrington
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7/4/2007  10:07 AM
Posted by McK1:

after the 03-04 season Ron took a shot at O' Neal saying he and not Jermaine was the teams MVP and he himself should've been considered for league MVP.

I don't think its about AK scoring as much as it is about wanting to be involved. Let him make reads from the perimeter. at 6'11 he can see over almost any perimeter player u put on him I trust his decision making in the passing game more than Ron Curry and Zach combined

Why do you say that when Artest has average 3 assist for his whole career and A-47 has only average 2 for his whole career? I feel you are really underrating Artest passing ability. He is a solid passer.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-04-2007 10:08 AM]
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7/4/2007  10:07 AM
The safe pick is Wallace, but I don't think we can get that done, at least not fairly. Jordan will try to rip Isiah off in that deal. Artest wants to be THE star. That's the feeling I get when I watched him in SAC. He's a very confident player and I think he's a bit overconfident. I can see there being conflict with the other stars on the team. I don't feel he's a blend in guy. We're gonna need someone with a bit less ego, cuz we've got enough ego's already. Mo Pete is a guy that could blend in, but he's a bit old in comparison to the other options. PErhaps Isiah could look at him as a safe stop gap until he can develop Chandler. I think that is the most likely scenario. Get Mo Pete who won't present as much of a problem and is closer to being out of the league, so you can phase in your kid.

[Edited by - nixluva on 07-04-2007 10:37 AM]
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7/4/2007  10:14 AM
Josh Howard- Curry for Howard.
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7/4/2007  10:53 AM
Posted by franco12:

Josh Howard- Curry for Howard.

Then who's gonna play the 5? If it's just that you don't like Curry well I can put your proposal in the proper perspective (tongue twister)

If you're serious then all I can say is: Preposterous!
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7/4/2007  10:57 AM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:
Posted by franco12:

Josh Howard- Curry for Howard.

Then who's gonna play the 5? If it's just that you don't like Curry well I can put your proposal in the proper perspective (tongue twister)

If you're serious then all I can say is: Preposterous!

Im with you--unless the name Lebron James or Kobe Bryant is entered Im not trading Eddie Curry for a wing player.
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7/4/2007  11:07 AM
Posted by franco12:

Josh Howard- Curry for Howard.

That's a great example and one the Mavs might actually do. It would make too much sense for us, though!
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7/4/2007  2:38 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by McK1:

after the 03-04 season Ron took a shot at O' Neal saying he and not Jermaine was the teams MVP and he himself should've been considered for league MVP.

I don't think its about AK scoring as much as it is about wanting to be involved. Let him make reads from the perimeter. at 6'11 he can see over almost any perimeter player u put on him I trust his decision making in the passing game more than Ron Curry and Zach combined

Why do you say that when Artest has average 3 assist for his whole career and A-47 has only average 2 for his whole career? I feel you are really underrating Artest passing ability. He is a solid passer.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-04-2007 10:08 AM]

Marbury has averaged 8+ assists. Cassell 6-7 I still trust Sam's decision making waaaaaaaaay more than Marbury's.

its not just about the numbers. Kirilenko is a smarter ballplayer and is waaaay more coachable than Artest over 82 games.

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7/4/2007  6:48 PM
Jamal Crawford, M.Rose, Balkman & Chandler for AK47.

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7/4/2007  6:53 PM
kirlienko was upset he was forgotten in the offense. he had to pass up shots for boozer + okur in their pick and roll game with deron.

now we have eddy + zach...i think the situation would be worse here. i don't think he would be that much happier, plus playing in a more pressure filled market doesn't help.

i think he would be great in toronto, but that's neither here nor there.
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7/4/2007  7:17 PM
if Q is healthy I can live with him starting at 3. he has the size and strength to defend almost every 3 in the league. he can pass. I wish he could hit a 15-20 footer but he can hit the 3
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7/4/2007  7:40 PM
Well due to the injury excuse

Wallace and AK47 are automatically exluded

Ron Artest fits the description as a player but is a total nut job he's excluded

Mo Pete can shoot continues the perpetual redundancy and plays no D he's excluded

That leaves Marion, he fits the bit better than any other SF in the league for our team. A total two way team player. The only thing with him he wants an extension and a bigger role. He'd be my pick at this point since the We Shot Our Wad again at the cap.
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7/4/2007  7:49 PM
what does NY have to offer for Marion, esp with Kerr (who has ridiculed every Zeke big name acquisition) now in their front office?
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7/4/2007  8:04 PM
Ron Artest- may be the best shot we have at upgrading the position. Shouldn't cost us significant players because of all the baggagge he has and his situation in Sacramento. Has two years remaining on his pact, which would give Wilsong Chandler enough time to prepare to start for the Knicks. A risk move that if fails wouldn't hurt that much cutting it, but if it somehow works, could be the last piece of a very intriguing year for New York.

Shawn Marion- out of reach

Gerald Wallace- nice option. Im surprised it hasn't been formally discussed, has it?

Andrei Kirilenko- don't see him fitting here. With the offense running around C and PF, he would probably have issues with that. He would be a nice defensive option, though.

Maurice Peterson- adds nothing significant to the team.
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