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djsunyc
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7/3/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by TheGame:

I say we pass on Artest. The guy simply is too unstable. I mean it is not like the Kings have an abundance of talent but they are willing to just give the guy away. Randolph is much less of a risk but he is still a risk. Why fill the team up with risky character guys?

artest only has 1 more year after this one. if it blows up, we waive him.
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7/3/2007  3:23 PM
I forgot about Tapscott. I am less bitter than I thought.
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7/3/2007  3:29 PM
how is Zach less of a risk? he's on our books for 4 more years guaranteed at $61 mil... that's not exactly chump change... Artest is on the hook for this year & next at roughly $16 mil, that's a helluva lot less of a risk than Isiah took on signing scrubs like Big Turd & Jared Jefferies to full MLE deals... if u can get him without having to give up your top young talent, it's a risk you have to take... this team is not going to win right now with only the addition of Zach Randolph... you need some defensive studs in the rotation to balance it out.
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7/3/2007  3:34 PM
BTW How long is Artest contract?
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7/3/2007  4:13 PM
This is speculation, and ****ty at that.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/3/2007  4:24 PM
trading lee would be so isiah.
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7/3/2007  4:29 PM
Here we go again! Let's back up remember what the point of this all is. You want to build a team that can win a Title. So until you feel you have a team like that you're never finished. Isiah isn't stupid. He knows that this team is far from perfect. If he has the assets to add another good player that can give us a real shot to get to the ECF's then why shouldn't he do that? On the other hand if he can't make a deal at least he's added some prospects that have good upside. Who knows maybe one of them really takes off and helps us win. It's happened before. basically he's looking at taking a known good player over an unknown prospective player. You have to be prepared to do both.

Right now if nothing happens we have some prospects to take a look at. If he can make a deal happen, then it's more of a sure thing he's banking on. There's enough of a core to this team that he can do this kind of thing. We also have enough youth in that core to make moves now that set us up for more success for years to come. This team should keep getting better and better with each coming year. That's what every team, even the Champion looks to do.
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7/3/2007  6:11 PM
Bring Artest home to New York. I want to see complete chaos out there, with Stephon jabbering incoherently and Artest threatening to run off the rails.

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7/3/2007  6:42 PM
Posted by TMS:

how is Zach less of a risk? he's on our books for 4 more years guaranteed at $61 mil... that's not exactly chump change... Artest is on the hook for this year & next at roughly $16 mil, that's a helluva lot less of a risk than Isiah took on signing scrubs like Big Turd & Jared Jefferies to full MLE deals... if u can get him without having to give up your top young talent, it's a risk you have to take... this team is not going to win right now with only the addition of Zach Randolph... you need some defensive studs in the rotation to balance it out.

Well, maybe because most people are fairly sure Artest is crazy or at the very least has severe mental issues. Zack has had problems in the past, mostly off the court and mainly for hanging with the wrong crowd. I have far more confidence that Zack can come here and be a good player than I do Artest. Yeah Artest only has one more year, but do you really want to expose Lee, Blakman, Collins and our other young players to this guy. We are trying to build a contender with players that are going to be here for the next 4-6 years. Do you really believe Artest is going to act right for the next 4-5 years? I don't.
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7/3/2007  7:23 PM
Jeffries+Malik's contract for Artest. Isiah coached him and did a good job with Artest before maybe he feels he can do it again.

Hopefully he will concentrate on his ball skills instead of becoming the next big New York rapper.
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7/3/2007  7:26 PM
I'm for it as long as we aren't trading away any of our future and it is relative no risk type of trade IE-Jerome, Jefferies and Nate and maybe a future top 15 protected pick for Artest and Kenny Thomas.

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
1.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.1 apg in 6.6 minutes

Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
4.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 23.8 minutes

Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
10.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.2 minutes
Incoming

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.3 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 22.8 minutes

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes


Sacramento wants to get rid of him fast, no need to lose that leverage. To me at most he is worth Dickau, Jones, Nate and a top 15 protected pick because of baggage, IMO.

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Fred Jones
6-2 SG from Oregon
6.5 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.7 apg in 20.9 minutes

Dan Dickau
6-0 PG from Gonzaga
3.3 ppg, 0.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 9.0 minutes

Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
10.1 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.2 minutes
Incoming

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes


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7/3/2007  8:12 PM
Why is he worth a draft pick? Especially when you are taking back Kenny Thomas' contract.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 03-07-2007 8:14 PM]
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7/3/2007  8:44 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TMS:

how is Zach less of a risk? he's on our books for 4 more years guaranteed at $61 mil... that's not exactly chump change... Artest is on the hook for this year & next at roughly $16 mil, that's a helluva lot less of a risk than Isiah took on signing scrubs like Big Turd & Jared Jefferies to full MLE deals... if u can get him without having to give up your top young talent, it's a risk you have to take... this team is not going to win right now with only the addition of Zach Randolph... you need some defensive studs in the rotation to balance it out.

Well, maybe because most people are fairly sure Artest is crazy or at the very least has severe mental issues. Zack has had problems in the past, mostly off the court and mainly for hanging with the wrong crowd. I have far more confidence that Zack can come here and be a good player than I do Artest. Yeah Artest only has one more year, but do you really want to expose Lee, Blakman, Collins and our other young players to this guy. We are trying to build a contender with players that are going to be here for the next 4-6 years. Do you really believe Artest is going to act right for the next 4-5 years? I don't.

Artest is here for 2 years, after that you let him walk unless he behaves & plays at his best... same goes for Marbury... i don't get your point here about building a contender with players who will be around for 4-6 years... you're afraid of exposing our young guys to someone like Artest, yet have no problems with bringing guys like Stephon Marbury & Zach Randolph into the fold? are they any better influences for young developing players to emulate? why do you think POR wanted to get rid of Zach so badly? could it have had something to do with the fact that they didn't want him around Greg Oden & Brandon Roy? i think it's reasonable to think that might have had a little bit to do with their reasoning, along with finding a team to dump that monstrous contract of his on... i would have zero problem taking on that risk, because unlike Zach Randolph, Artest is signed to a very manageable contract & is actually worth the money he makes ability wise.
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7/3/2007  8:51 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TMS:

how is Zach less of a risk? he's on our books for 4 more years guaranteed at $61 mil... that's not exactly chump change... Artest is on the hook for this year & next at roughly $16 mil, that's a helluva lot less of a risk than Isiah took on signing scrubs like Big Turd & Jared Jefferies to full MLE deals... if u can get him without having to give up your top young talent, it's a risk you have to take... this team is not going to win right now with only the addition of Zach Randolph... you need some defensive studs in the rotation to balance it out.

Well, maybe because most people are fairly sure Artest is crazy or at the very least has severe mental issues. Zack has had problems in the past, mostly off the court and mainly for hanging with the wrong crowd. I have far more confidence that Zack can come here and be a good player than I do Artest. Yeah Artest only has one more year, but do you really want to expose Lee, Blakman, Collins and our other young players to this guy. We are trying to build a contender with players that are going to be here for the next 4-6 years. Do you really believe Artest is going to act right for the next 4-5 years? I don't.

Artest is here for 2 years, after that you let him walk unless he behaves & plays at his best... same goes for Marbury... i don't get your point here about building a contender with players who will be around for 4-6 years... you're afraid of exposing our young guys to someone like Artest, yet have no problems with bringing guys like Stephon Marbury & Zach Randolph into the fold? are they any better influences for young developing players to emulate? why do you think POR wanted to get rid of Zach so badly? could it have had something to do with the fact that they didn't want him around Greg Oden & Brandon Roy? i think it's reasonable to think that might have had a little bit to do with their reasoning, along with finding a team to dump that monstrous contract of his on... i would have zero problem taking on that risk, because unlike Zach Randolph, Artest is signed to a very manageable contract & is actually worth the money he makes ability wise.

Well that in itself tells you something. He only makes 6.8 million or something and has only 2 years on his deal and teams are still steering clear of him. I bet if Zack had two years at $6.8 million, about 75% of the teams in the league would have been beating down Portland's door for him. Maybe since he has only 2 years you can easily waive him and if we got him for practically nothing, I admit it would probably be something we could not pass up, but this guy is never going to be part of a contending team.

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7/3/2007  8:54 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TMS:

how is Zach less of a risk? he's on our books for 4 more years guaranteed at $61 mil... that's not exactly chump change... Artest is on the hook for this year & next at roughly $16 mil, that's a helluva lot less of a risk than Isiah took on signing scrubs like Big Turd & Jared Jefferies to full MLE deals... if u can get him without having to give up your top young talent, it's a risk you have to take... this team is not going to win right now with only the addition of Zach Randolph... you need some defensive studs in the rotation to balance it out.

Well, maybe because most people are fairly sure Artest is crazy or at the very least has severe mental issues. Zack has had problems in the past, mostly off the court and mainly for hanging with the wrong crowd. I have far more confidence that Zack can come here and be a good player than I do Artest. Yeah Artest only has one more year, but do you really want to expose Lee, Blakman, Collins and our other young players to this guy. We are trying to build a contender with players that are going to be here for the next 4-6 years. Do you really believe Artest is going to act right for the next 4-5 years? I don't.

Artest is here for 2 years, after that you let him walk unless he behaves & plays at his best... same goes for Marbury... i don't get your point here about building a contender with players who will be around for 4-6 years... you're afraid of exposing our young guys to someone like Artest, yet have no problems with bringing guys like Stephon Marbury & Zach Randolph into the fold? are they any better influences for young developing players to emulate? why do you think POR wanted to get rid of Zach so badly? could it have had something to do with the fact that they didn't want him around Greg Oden & Brandon Roy? i think it's reasonable to think that might have had a little bit to do with their reasoning, along with finding a team to dump that monstrous contract of his on... i would have zero problem taking on that risk, because unlike Zach Randolph, Artest is signed to a very manageable contract & is actually worth the money he makes ability wise.

Artest will be really the final piece:
Steph
Craf
Artest
Zack
Eddy

All 5 guys can play but how this group can play together is bejound me...
This is fantasy lague team or playground team but not NBA team.
And on top of this we have Zeke. This thing with explode and will go down in flames...
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7/3/2007  8:56 PM
But it will be some show...
Garden will be sold out to see the drama...
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7/3/2007  8:58 PM
i'd love to get Ron Ron home
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7/3/2007  9:17 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by TMS:

how is Zach less of a risk? he's on our books for 4 more years guaranteed at $61 mil... that's not exactly chump change... Artest is on the hook for this year & next at roughly $16 mil, that's a helluva lot less of a risk than Isiah took on signing scrubs like Big Turd & Jared Jefferies to full MLE deals... if u can get him without having to give up your top young talent, it's a risk you have to take... this team is not going to win right now with only the addition of Zach Randolph... you need some defensive studs in the rotation to balance it out.

Well, maybe because most people are fairly sure Artest is crazy or at the very least has severe mental issues. Zack has had problems in the past, mostly off the court and mainly for hanging with the wrong crowd. I have far more confidence that Zack can come here and be a good player than I do Artest. Yeah Artest only has one more year, but do you really want to expose Lee, Blakman, Collins and our other young players to this guy. We are trying to build a contender with players that are going to be here for the next 4-6 years. Do you really believe Artest is going to act right for the next 4-5 years? I don't.

Artest is here for 2 years, after that you let him walk unless he behaves & plays at his best... same goes for Marbury... i don't get your point here about building a contender with players who will be around for 4-6 years... you're afraid of exposing our young guys to someone like Artest, yet have no problems with bringing guys like Stephon Marbury & Zach Randolph into the fold? are they any better influences for young developing players to emulate? why do you think POR wanted to get rid of Zach so badly? could it have had something to do with the fact that they didn't want him around Greg Oden & Brandon Roy? i think it's reasonable to think that might have had a little bit to do with their reasoning, along with finding a team to dump that monstrous contract of his on... i would have zero problem taking on that risk, because unlike Zach Randolph, Artest is signed to a very manageable contract & is actually worth the money he makes ability wise.

Well that in itself tells you something. He only makes 6.8 million or something and has only 2 years on his deal and teams are still steering clear of him. I bet if Zack had two years at $6.8 million, about 75% of the teams in the league would have been beating down Portland's door for him. Maybe since he has only 2 years you can easily waive him and if we got him for practically nothing, I admit it would probably be something we could not pass up, but this guy is never going to be part of a contending team.


Artest was a key member of a Pacer team that won 61 games in '04 & made it to the Conference Finals & took the eventual NBA champion DET Pistons to 6 games... he also played a key role on a Pacers team in '03 that won 48 games & made the playoffs... he's gone further along in the playoffs than Zach Randolph has in his NBA career.
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7/4/2007  3:44 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07042007/sports/knicks/artest_ing_the_market_knicks_marc_berman.htm?page=0

ARTEST-ING THE MARKET

By MARC BERMAN

July 4, 2007 -- Rashard Lewis is off the table, Ron Artest is on the block, and Isiah Thomas must decide if it's worth trading David Lee to the Kings to put his former Indiana star on the Knicks.

With Lewis agreeing in principle to sign with the under-the-salary-cap Magic, Thomas can concentrate his sights and trade assets on a run at Artest, who played three seasons for Thomas in Indiana but now is being shopped in Sacramento.

Thomas, who negotiated with Lewis' agent July 1, also has spoken to the Kings about Artest.

Lewis' signing in Orlando is a double blow to the Knicks, who could be fighting it out with the Magic for a final playoff seed. Orlando made the playoffs last season, in the eighth slot.

When Artest was peddled by Indiana 18 months ago, the Knicks had tepid interest. Thomas had a brief conversation with Pacers president Donnie Walsh and told him he wasn't willing to give up any of his young players. The conversation ended there.

Times have changed. The Knicks are in a different place following the Zach Randolph trade. The organization believes it is not that far away from competing for the conference title in the awful East and is willing to part with a young player or two. They now boast as much talent as any Knicks team since the 1998-99 version that went to the NBA Finals.

The Knicks always could wait on Artest, 27, until next summer, when he may opt out of his contract for 2008-09. Artest is on record saying in his final days in Indiana he didn't care where he was traded, he'd still opt out in 2008 to sign with the Knicks. Thomas is comfortable with his roster, but said Monday, "I don't consider this a finished product by any stretch."

"Let it be known Ron loves Isiah, always has," Artest's agent, Mark Ste- vens, told The Post yesterday. "Being a Knick, that's his childhood dream. He's a New Yorker. We'll see if it happens."

If it was once, Artest's baggage is no longer considered a major deterrent, especially because Thomas has coached him. Owner James Dolan's philosophy is not to judge a player on his past but on what he does as a Knick.

Dolan, a recovering alcoholic and former cocaine user, believes in second chances, as the Vin Baker signing showed and the Randolph deal confirmed. Artest's list of NBA suspensions, low-lighted by the brawl with the Pistons, will not scare away the Knicks.

Small forward is their lone weak link, with Quentin Richardson, coming off disk surgery, and offensively challenged Jared Jeffries sharing duties. The Knicks need to improve their perimeter defense to make up for the poor interior "D" of big men Eddy Curry and Randolph.

Thomas never has wavered on his belief Artest is an elite player, even when his image was battered. When Artest was traded for Peja Stojakovic, Thomas' lone comment was a subdued, "He's a great player."

Offering Lee could seal a package with the Kings. But that may not be a popular move with Knicks fans, who loved Lee's rebounding and hustle. Lee averaged a double-double last season and is a leading Sixth Man of the Year candidate. On the flip side, the Knicks have a Lee-in-the-making, Renaldo Balkman.

For now, Thomas would rather make available Jeffries or Malik Rose and a prospect or two, either Randolph Morris, Mardy Collins, Nate Robinson or Balkman. First-round pick Wilson Chandler and Demetris Nichols also can be traded because they have not yet signed a contract. The total aggregate of salary going back to Sacramento would have to total in the $8 million range.
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7/4/2007  5:58 AM
You have to go after Artest. The guy is probably the best sf after Lebron and Carmelo and Pierce. The difference is he can play defense. Not just play good defense but he is probably the best defensive player in the league. The year before he got the Kings to the playoffs with ease in the west. Look at the Pacers. How are they doing without Artest? J Oneal looks like he will never see the playoffs again and alot of that has to do with not having Artest on that team.

People forget that not only was Isiah able to control Artest, but Artest started becoming a big player in the league under Isiah. Which is different from Artest as a Bull. Artest dad also lives in New York and is a big influnce in his life. This canalso help Artest get his head together in case it falls off.

Also Artest did not act up on the Kings I feel that if he comes to New York and does not suceed this will really be it for him in this league. And he knows that.

Again we have a chance to get a top NBA player and probably the best defender in the league who has a contract that is a joke. 7 mil? We are paying Jerome James 5mil to play tic tac toe on the sideline and eat apple and fish cakes.

We constantly complain about players that are overpaid and do not produce on the court. Well here is a chance to get a top player who is underpaid and can produce at highest level possible on the court.

[Edited by - BigC on 07-04-2007 06:01 AM]
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