Ok on your estimation, you are saying that Lee will give us 14 and Z only gives us 16. Is Lee a go to player ? can we run an isolation play for DLee ? Can DLee hit a jumpshot ? All of DLee's points will come in the paint off of putbacks from missed offensive shots. If our guards shot a better percentage, that number easily goes down, less balls to rebound and put back if they are going in.

DLee will get burn because of his style of play and their will be time for him. I see him as 6 man winner. But please stop with these stat comps like Lee is a better player than Randolph.

Lee won the allstar rookie game, i think he didn't miss a shot. Why ? because all his shots are either dunks or put backs. Is he effective in what he does, most definitely.

Zach is a very good player and this trade would have been something to marvel at if we had a defensive minded center, but microfracture, attitude concerns and 61 million, make lee a little more bankable to be honest, and my numbers were bash on lees minutes and hustle points, because nothing is ever drawn up for lee. It's not crazy to assume randolf gets around 14.5fga a game if eddy got 12.5 last year, and reducing his total to that number will likely get him 16pts 10.5rbs a night

04-05 Por 46 37 34.8 7.2-16.1 .448 18.9
05-06 Por 74 71 34.4 7.2-16.6 .436 18.0
06-07 Por 68 67 35.7 8.8-18.9 .467 23.6

Career numbers although they take into account his first few years shooting the ball about 14 times playing 30 minutes he is 16pts 7.7rbs, i believe the rebounds will be double figures but why is it so hard to realize his shots are going to drop

06-07 Nyk 58 12 29.8 4.1-6.9 .600 10.7

If we run an uptempo attack and he gets 8 more minutes its fair to assume he brings in 1.8rbs and scores at least two more.

So if you would like to say lee is 12pts 12rbs i can live with that

Assuming Zach gets ~1.254 pts per shot like he did last year (which means he shoots the same FG%, gets to the line at the same rate and shoots the same FT%, he would average 18.2 ppg.

I think 16 ppg might be undercutting it a tiny bit, but overall, MS is right on spot. There's only one ball. Unless the Knicks suddenly play a higher octane offense to get more shots per game or other players reduce shots, it will be very tough for Zack to get enough shots.

VDesai, your reasoning would be logical, but you left out an important detail. Frye played 26 mpg last year. Francis played 28 mpg when he played. That adds up to 54 mpg. So you have to divide their totals by the proper percentage of minutes played.

17 shots per game x 38 minutes / 54 minutes = 12 shots per game

That's if nobody else gets less shots. Obviously some guys are going to have to give up some shots, because I'm sure Zack will take more shots than that. I figure probably somewhere around 14 shots per game.

Posted by MS:

I still think if the Lakers get desperate a Odom for Zach Trade makes a lot of sense for both teams, and we clear his two years off the cap

If the Lakers gave us the rights to Fernandez (who I think can become a solid SG) or Jarvis C., this would be a decent trade for us. Otherwise, Odom is hurt too often and not consistent enough offensively to do a straight up deal IMO. He does play better defense though and would provide some shot-blocking but I would still rather have Randolph.

Good point there. I would feel better about things if we had a better playmaker at the PG position.

playa - true

if last season was any reminder of the marathon that is the NBA season, last year's injuries served as a polite note on depth. Once Lee went down, Malik Rose became the feature forward

best five start

next five keep it going or pick up the slack

c'mon bonn, rookies are not owed minutes. Balkman played better than expected. Mardy Collins stepped in and demonstrated that he was a quick study.

minutes are earned in practice. and yes, I'm talkin' bout practice.

It's a new season. what is the problem with looking at a new day with a fresh perspective instead of the Scrooge "Knicks?... bah, humbug!" mentality that is so fashionable?

let's play two

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-03-2007 2:36 PM]

Posted by misterearl:

c'mon bonn, rookies are not owed minutes. Balkman played better than expected. Mardy Collins stepped in and demonstrated that he was a quick study.

minutes are earned in practice. and yes, I'm talkin' bout practice.

It's a new season. what is the problem with looking at a new day with a fresh perspective instead of the Scrooge "Knicks?... bah, humbug!" mentality that is so fashionable?

let's play two

[Edited by - misterearl on 07-03-2007 2:36 PM]

Minutes are earned together with contract
No coach/GM can have 100 mils on the bench even if this mils stink.
We saw this last season and will see more coming season
Granted...

[Edited by - arkrud on 07-03-2007 9:09 PM]

Last year' bench got a lot of minutes because our starters lacked intensity and fell behind requiring our bench to hustle us back into games. If the starters can come to play every night we should see a decrease in bench minutes, and if they can't they should be shot.

[Edited by - blueseats on 07-04-2007 11:45 AM]

Posted by Michael6835:

True, but with IT sticks to a 8-9 man roster, most of the bench will not see minutes anyway. The main thing people were worried about is Lee's minutes. Can we agree that there is room for Lee to get around 30mpg in this lineup coming off the bench ?

I honestly have almost no interest in how many minutes Lee gets... assuming the starters are playing up to snuff.

However, if the starters aren't, and Lee injects energy, intangiables, "glue," momentum, etc, every time he's on the floor I'm going to want him to get a ton of time, if not starts.