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7/2/2007  12:04 AM
Posted by kam77:

Be forthright. You backtracked on the trade. You started this thread as a way to state your "new" position that you *could* like this trade if certain things happen down the line. I can understand you wigging out when all your points were refuted. Man up. I'll see you at the game. Check me if you're up for it. Peace y'all.


lol... dude, i've presented the same conditions several times on other threads, but you still didn't seem to get the point... i even made a separate thread about an Artest trade that would help make sense of this Zach trade on draft night after the deal went down, but still you don't seem to get the point.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=22204&page=1

that's why i made this thread to put it all in simple words that i thought you could understand... i don;t know what else to tell u dude... i haven't backtracked on anything... my reasons for not liking this trade remain the same, & the conditions that will make some sort of sense out of it haven't either... i'd appreciate you not misrepresenting my comments & throwing false accusations my way...

see u at the game.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-02-2007 12:16 AM]
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7/2/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by nixluva:


Yeah and a lot of the same things won't be happening this year. Steph and Frye slumped early and Curry hadn't fully emerged to the level of confidence he woud eventually gain. Jeffries was hurt as well and basically the team just didn't play well. The crazy home losses etc. I think those same factors won't be there next season. I think this team will come in much more confident and understanding what they need to do. The 33 wins has NOTHING to do with how they'll play next season. The circumstances that brought about that record won't all be there this time. While some problems remain not all of them do. Also we have to allow for a little internal growth.

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[Edited by - panos on 02-07-2007 09:33 AM]
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7/2/2007  10:00 AM
I am gonna side with TMS on this one. Although we have the talent to win 55 games this year, it just doesn't compliment eachother and plus, we still have so many guys who need the ball all the time in order to do well. It's just not a recipe for success. If we trade Curry, it might make more sense, but why trade a guy with more upside to get a guy with less.
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7/2/2007  10:10 AM
The Knicks problem wasn't so much the interior defense but more like perimeter defense. The lack of a lock down defender on the perimeter made for problems. The KNicks are going to be ok next year if the get a lock down defender on the perimeter.
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11/8/2008  1:01 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TMS:

i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.


WOW! All of that huh? Don't you think that's laying it on a bit thick with the negativity? I mean really! We didn't see much of that last year when things were worse. How do you think all of a sudden things will take a turn for the worse when things are better? From what I can see everyone is going to come in AMPED and ready to play. We know Steph is excited. Curry left on a mission to improve. Q i'm sure is gonna do everything he can to finally get healthy. i'm sure that with the way he was playing before his back went on him, he's anxious to have a good season. Jared is said to be working hard and showing signs of improvment. etc. Where exactly do you see all this negative stuff coming from?

The players on this team like each other and the Coach. Adding Zach isn't going to totally change all of that.
I think that if this team get's off to a good start for a change it's gonna be a great year. We know that the roles should be more established than at the start of last year. Guys won't be all confused. All we're doing is plugging Zach into Frye's spot and likely getting better performance. For everyone else things remain the same.

time to dust off my crystal ball again nixluva... or are u still a non believer?
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11/8/2008  1:18 PM
Jesus Christ we're a bunch of bitches on this site!

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11/8/2008  1:26 PM
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11/8/2008  5:20 PM
Posted by TMS:

1 - if Kobe forces a trade to NY this season or next
2 - if Isiah uses the expiring contracts of Dickau & Jones as part of another package to get an interior defensive presence or shotblocker like a Marcus Camby or Ron Artest

otherwise, all i see for the Knicks this year is another mediocre team that lacks any interior defense that will have no real hope of contending against the better teams in the NBA.

just my opinion

Wow! Kobe forces a trade to NY?? I thought that was completely over with. I don't him anymore. I want Lebron!

I know, I know it's not the point you were making TMS.
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11/8/2008  5:21 PM
Posted by TMS:

i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.

I"m still saying they'll get 40 this year. 37 more will do it.

Oops, sorry dude. I forgot, this is an old thread.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-08-2008 5:22 PM]
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11/8/2008  6:30 PM
LOL. This is why Andrew and Martin won't put that much anticipated search function on this forum.
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11/8/2008  6:44 PM
The way they have it set up were you can go back to a fair enough past works fine. I just think people should copy and paste past quotes onto new threads and say what thread they got it from.
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11/8/2008  6:58 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TMS:

i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.

I"m still saying they'll get 40 this year. 37 more will do it.

Oops, sorry dude. I forgot, this is an old thread.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-08-2008 5:22 PM]

i'm only this pessimistic when i'm absolutely certain that something isn't gonna work out... i reacted the same way when Isiah signed Jerome Turd James to that ridiculous MLE contract & people told me i was way overreacting... u know me, i usually hold off on judgements until i see how things work out over the long haul... when we traded for Marbury, Curry & Jamal i gave them years before i finally gave up hope... those moves obviously didn't work out either (except we did at least get Wilson Chandler in the Curry trade, so that's a plus)... this one was pretty easy to call yet surprisingly people were so looking for any sign of hope to get them excited about this franchise again i think they just willed themselves to believe that this time it would work out in our favor.

i get the same feelings if we end up trading for Gerald Wallace to be honest.
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11/8/2008  7:07 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by TMS:

i pretty much know how it's going to go if our team stands pat the way it is now... defensive breakdowns on the interior all season long, more of the pointing of fingers & bickering at each other for missing defensive assignments in the paint, guys not being happy with the amount of touches they're getting, confusion by guys in what roles they're expected to play in this offense, & i'm projecting a regression by Curry rather than furthered progress in his development w/the addition of Zach... they'd be lucky to win 40 games next season IMO

feel free to disagree, but that's how i see it going down.

I"m still saying they'll get 40 this year. 37 more will do it.

Oops, sorry dude. I forgot, this is an old thread.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-08-2008 5:22 PM]

i'm only this pessimistic when i'm absolutely certain that something isn't gonna work out... i reacted the same way when Isiah signed Jerome Turd James to that ridiculous MLE contract & people told me i was way overreacting... u know me, i usually hold off on judgements until i see how things work out over the long haul... when we traded for Marbury, Curry & Jamal i gave them years before i finally gave up hope... those moves obviously didn't work out either (except we did at least get Wilson Chandler in the Curry trade, so that's a plus)... this one was pretty easy to call yet surprisingly people were so looking for any sign of hope to get them excited about this franchise again i think they just willed themselves to believe that this time it would work out in our favor.

i get the same feelings if we end up trading for Gerald Wallace to be honest.

Yeah, I know what you mean about Gerald. And yes I do notice that you step cautiously, before you go all out on something. I do the norm of what I think will work, until it's apparent. But this year, I been really optimistic about this new system and about some of these players adapting to it. So far it's not a bad deal.

In the past we had trouble even putting away the easy teams and this time we seem to be doing it and giving better teams a run for their money. I'm very' optimistic and stick to most of my claims. I believe again.
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11/8/2008  9:26 PM
Gerald Wallace is the closest thing D'Antoni is going to get to filling the Marion role in his offense. We'll have the poor man's version of each player from Phoenix!

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11/8/2008  9:30 PM
why would u wanna settle in having the poor man's version of a team that never won a title? don't u wanna be able to at least try to go for a higher goal of a more talented player someday?
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11/8/2008  9:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

why would u wanna settle in having the poor man's version of a team that never won a title? don't u wanna be able to at least try to go for a higher goal of a more talented player someday?

I never said I want to settle. However, we have to live in reality. I want to get better in a realistic world.

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11/8/2008  9:35 PM
what's that mean? that realistically we're destined to always be a day late & a dollar short of ever winning an NBA championship? the only reason that's a reality is because of the mentality that we have to do whatever it takes just so we can desperately make those playoff appearances instead of building up a team that can actually contend for a title someday... all these band aid quick fix solutions have gotten us nowhere for the past decade... don't u ever get sick of repeating the same mistakes over & over? i mean how many times do trades like this have to blow up in our face for us to realize that we gotta approach things a different way & that not always getting the best available talent in a trade is the best thing for the franchise longterm? u have to keep the cap situation in mind & think about the big picture.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-08-2008 6:36 PM]
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11/8/2008  9:44 PM
what's that mean?

What that means is that a magical trade or signing that makes everything better in one fell swoop is highly unrealistic. The Celtics and Heat did it and that is really because of a lot of things, mostly luck.

So if we can drop useless Eddy Corny and pick up Wallace, getting a poor man's Marion, I'm all for it.

Other than that I am not sure what your issue is with my saying that we have a poor man's version of Phoenix is. It's just an observation. You're reading way too much into it.

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[Edited by - oohah on 08-11-2008 9:45 PM]
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11/8/2008  10:22 PM
i'm just saying that team ain't gonna be good enough to seriously contend & by taking on that contract ur handcuffing urself even tighter in the longrun to make deals... i ain't gonna be happy w/that... i rather pin my hopes on a prayer than go with something i know for a fact won't bring us to where we all wanna go.
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Posted by TMS:

i'm just saying that team ain't gonna be good enough to seriously contend & by taking on that contract ur handcuffing urself even tighter in the longrun to make deals... i ain't gonna be happy w/that... i rather pin my hopes on a prayer than go with something i know for a fact won't bring us to where we all wanna go.

I'll take Wallace and keep praying at the same time. Never gonna stop praying...


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