Posted by TheGame:

You think a team like Chicago would not love to get Zack. We could trade him to them for Noah, Tyrus Thomas, and P.J. Brown (on a expiring deal) right now without a doubt.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by djsunyc:

no assets we have are tradeable until they become expiring or we take back a problem child. that's the pattern for every isiah trade.

no small tweak trades, just big time major $$$ deals.

we got zach for francis + fyre = how tradeable an asset do you think he is until he becomes expiring or we take back a player with 6 years left on his deal?

You think a team like Chicago would not love to get Zack. We could trade him to them for Noah, Tyrus Thomas, and P.J. Brown (on a expiring deal) right now without a doubt. You put Hinrich, Gordon, Nocinis (?), Randolph, and Wallace on the same team and you have a title contender. There are at least 6 teams (Miami, Dallas, New Jersey, Orlando, Houston, and the Bucks to name a few) that could really use a low post scorer like Randolph. You guys don't realize it, but IT got Randolph really cheap and I think we realistically can trade him for more than we gave up, which was essentially Frye.

if that's what the bulls were offering, then he would be a bull. i think it's a flawed philosphy to keep recycling these players in the HOPE that we can finally trade for a franchise guy. and it's apparent, that we're not there yet (even many thought we were).

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by TheGame:

You think a team like Chicago would not love to get Zack. We could trade him to them for Noah, Tyrus Thomas, and P.J. Brown (on a expiring deal) right now without a doubt.

That's just delusional. No one wanted Zach except for us; it is obvious with what we gave up. No other team would touch him due to either his attitude or contract.

Not so. Most teams were focused on trying to get K.G., O'Neal, or Kobe. IT realized that we were not seriously in the running for those guys so he focused on Randolph. Randolph is exactly the type of low post scorer the Bulls need and trust me, they would not be afraid to part with Noah and/or Thomas to get it done, especially since they would be able to keep Deng and Gordon. We might have to add another bit player or add a protected pick, but we could get Noah and Thomas from Chicago no doubt.

But I don't even want to do that. I want to give Zack a chance with this team. He is a good rebounder and might be an even better scorer than Curry.

[Edited by - thegame on 07-01-2007 2:57 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by TheGame:

You think a team like Chicago would not love to get Zack. We could trade him to them for Noah, Tyrus Thomas, and P.J. Brown (on a expiring deal) right now without a doubt.

That's just delusional. No one wanted Zach except for us; it is obvious with what we gave up. No other team would touch him due to either his attitude or contract.

Not so. Most teams were focused on trying to get K.G., O'Neal, or Kobe. IT realized that we were not seriously in the running for those guys so he focused on Randolph. Randolph is exactly the type of low post scorer the Bulls need and trust me, they would not be afraid to part with Noah and/or Thomas to get it done, especially since they would be able to keep Deng and Gordon. We might have to add another bit player or add a protected pick, but we could get Noah and Thomas from Chicago no doubt.

But I don't even want to do that. I want to give Zack a chance with this team. He is a good rebounder and might be an even better scorer than Curry.

[Edited by - thegame on 07-01-2007 2:57 PM]

use common sense dude... if the Bulls were willing to give up TT & Noah to get Zach, don't you think the Blazers would have taken that package instead of Francis' contract & Channing Frye?

I did not say the bulls offered it or that Portland proposed it. At the time, the Bulls were and are focused on getting K.G., O' Neal or Kobe. They were not thinking about Zack. I clarified that you might have to add a little more than just Zack (like a protected 1st round pick), but not that much more. Really, all Zack has to do is come here and put up 19 and 10 and stay out of trouble and his trade value will rocket by the time February comes around. Sometimes guys just need a change. Other teams were somewhat concerned about his past and with K.G. the others also available, only a few teams probably focused on Randolph. IT got a steal and if it works out, you guys will be saying how did we get this guy so cheap.

Posted by babyKnicks:

Posted by Bonn1997:

If Chicago was interested in giving up that package for Zach, they would have called Portland and made an offer as soon as word of the Knicks deal was in the public. Chicago is a very intelligently run organization. They've gotten RID OF attitude players who were soft, one-dimensional, and/or problems in the locker rooms (E-Rob, Jamal, Eddy). They've rebuilt with hard-working, versatile, two-way players with good contracts. They know better than to go after Zach. That would be subtraction by addition to their roster.

Don't forget Ron Artest and Elton Brand.

To continue to use them as the measuring stick and forgetting the fact that the knicks have been in the finals more recently than them is kind of corny imho.

How long have the bulls been rebuilding?

Last years coveted below cap FA pick up got them to the second round...cool.

Zach AND Curry are better than their One-Way player with a bad $15 mill contract (ben wallace).

Where do they go from here?

interesting.


[Edited by - babyknicks on 01-07-2007 3:37 PM]