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misterearl
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6/30/2007  4:20 PM
Prime Years Estimated Time of Arrival (PYETA)

Guards - Collins (22 PYETA 2009 when he takes over as the lead guard), Nate (23 PYETA when he stops dancing during warmups)

Guards/ Skill forwards - Balkman (22 PYETA 2008 as a crowd favorite), Chandler (20 PYETA 2011 when he makes the NBA East all star team), Nichols (22 PYETA 2010 when his three point shot is a weapon off the pine with the second unit)

Big Forwards - Zach Randolph (25 PYETA 2009), David Lee (24 PYETA 2009 as an effective sixth man in the tradition of Billy Cunningham and John Havlicek)

Centers - Curry (24 PYETA 2008), Randolph Morris (21 PYETA 2010 when he becomes the Knicks starting power forward)


[Edited by - misterearl on 06-30-2007 4:22 PM]
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misterearl
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6/30/2007  4:32 PM
TrueBlue - do you have any patience to allow the yoot-dominated roster to mature together?

or determine who can play basketball based on performance and not speculation?

or is it time to simply make another run at Kobe or Garnett?


you make the call
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6/30/2007  4:33 PM
2 years ago we were gushing about all their under 25 talent.
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6/30/2007  4:38 PM
Posted by VDesai:

2 years ago we were gushing about all their under 25 talent.

And now we have even more good young players. Some of our guys have shown they can play in this league and just need more time to fully develop. It's not like these guys can't get off the bench cuz they can't play. Our guys can play and we just traded one of them for a bigtime talent, so we're off to a good start with our young players so far. Let's also remember that we've done VERY WELL getting good players late in the draft when many other teams low picks haven't done much ours have shown they can play.
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6/30/2007  5:03 PM
Hard work defeats the talent which is not doing hard work
All young players in NBA are talented. That's why they are in NBA.
But talent is not a warranty for anything.
To make young talent shine you need well run organization, great coaches, veteran players to show the way, some luck to avoid injuries and off-court troubles.
Do we have something to offer to our young talents?
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6/30/2007  5:54 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nixluva - New Yorkers have little patience to allow for the maturation process

"I want my superstar NOW!!!"


See I think the shoe goes on the other foot. Many of us who are unenamored with the likes of Marbury, Crawford, Curry, Randolph feel like we'd have preferred management have the patience to try to do better and not declare frauds as franchise players. As each one fails the torch gets passed (from marbury to curry - and next to zbo?) putting unbearable pressure on guys with shoulders, knees and confidence too small to carry the load.

It's managements zeal to win now, and the patrons who love every move that can be sold as steering us in "the right direction," whether it's a sensible use of assets or not, who appear the least patient among us.

By and large the "impatient haters" of this site would like to see us take our time to "do things right," even if it means an extra year spent in the lottery or without a faux face of the franchise to slap on a banner. We'd like to see established a plan, a style of play, and a mindset that can be carried through. Instead we have management declaring us the "Suns of the East" one year and a "pound it low all day long" team the next, with fickle fans eating up and regurgitating either will equal fervor, as if willy-nilly grabbings or whoever is the best player available, and continual mid-stream turnabouts of strategy are a sound way to run a franchise.

No rebuilding method guarantees desired results, but the people who question the wisdom of our approach rarely strike me as the impetuous ones among us, certainly not compared to the ones who exclaim "mission accomplished" with every new face on the scene.
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6/30/2007  5:59 PM
^ great post
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6/30/2007  6:46 PM
Great- we've got a bunch of middle of the road young talent that promises to be never really that good or outstanding.

Some of these guys (Curry, Zach, Crawford) have very established track records and none of them are franchise talents that are likely to bring a championship to NYC.
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6/30/2007  7:45 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nixluva - New Yorkers have little patience to allow for the maturation process

"I want my superstar NOW!!!"

considering isiah has now logged over 60+ transactions (if not more), seems like isiah needs to have a little more patience too.
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6/30/2007  8:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

nixluva - New Yorkers have little patience to allow for the maturation process

"I want my superstar NOW!!!"

so you must disagree with trading frye for randolph?
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6/30/2007  8:37 PM
We've only traded 2 of the young draft picks Isiah has brought in and each has been replaced with someone equal or better. The patience to let these players develop is what i'm referring to. I can understand that some wanted a more patient team building approach from management, but that's not what DOLAN wants. Forget about Isiah, he's under the rule of his owner. Isiah spent a very short time tho trying to do things Dolan's way and since then he's been at least filling the cupboards with nice talent.

Franco12 called our young players middle of the road and that's far from the truth. 1st of all most of the young players have only 2 years or less of experience. Can we give them a freakin chance 1st before we write them off as middle of the road? GEEZ! We know they aren't top 5 draft picks, but there are many NBA players who become great coming from later in the draft. This is the kind of inpatience i'm talking about. It's just too much. I could see if the guys we had sucked, but we can all see that some of them can play in this league and they're not yet in their prime.
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6/30/2007  10:04 PM
Masterplan - I agree with upgrading the level of available talent on the bench. Last season I grew weary of Malik Rose, as gifted a leader as he is, hoisting jump shots that were not a highllight of his skill-set.

With David Lee coming off injury, and Frye playing uncertain basketball, the Knicks power forward postion was a weakness.

With Zach, and quite possibly Randolph Morris, able to shore up the position it does one thing. It raises the level of competition.

(and yes, I'm talkin' bout practice)

That is a good thing. It is a good thing for David Lee and anyone else competing for minutes.

Why?

Because the great thing about sports is your are NOT judged or measured by public opinion, or personal bias, or image... but you are measured by your performance on the court.

My spider sense tells me that with all eyes on Zach, on the world's brightest stage, he just might recognize an opportunity (and/or Isiah and staff will lay down the law on no uncertain terms) to compliment the frontcourt rotation and cohere to a team-oriented game.

If Zach does not produce, someone else gets his minutes. It ain't that deep.

I really don't see a problem. If you see a problem with healthy and vigorous competition in the great Knicks tradition of Charles Oakley versus Xavier McDaniel, or Bill Bradley versus Cazzie Russell...please help me out.

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6/30/2007  11:43 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Masterplan - I agree with upgrading the level of available talent on the bench. Last season I grew weary of Malik Rose, as gifted a leader as he is, hoisting jump shots that were not a highllight of his skill-set.

With David Lee coming off injury, and Frye playing uncertain basketball, the Knicks power forward postion was a weakness.

With Zach, and quite possibly Randolph Morris, able to shore up the position it does one thing. It raises the level of competition.

(and yes, I'm talkin' bout practice)

That is a good thing. It is a good thing for David Lee and anyone else competing for minutes.

Why?

Because the great thing about sports is your are NOT judged or measured by public opinion, or personal bias, or image... but you are measured by your performance on the court.

My spider sense tells me that with all eyes on Zach, on the world's brightest stage, he just might recognize an opportunity (and/or Isiah and staff will lay down the law on no uncertain terms) to compliment the frontcourt rotation and cohere to a team-oriented game.

If Zach does not produce, someone else gets his minutes. It ain't that deep.

I really don't see a problem. If you see a problem with healthy and vigorous competition in the great Knicks tradition of Charles Oakley versus Xavier McDaniel, or Bill Bradley versus Cazzie Russell...please help me out.

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6/30/2007  11:57 PM
Posted by misterearl:

TrueBlue - do you have any patience to allow the yoot-dominated roster to mature together?

or determine who can play basketball based on performance and not speculation?

or is it time to simply make another run at Kobe or Garnett?


you make the call

misterearl does I SAY UGH have the patience to manage the cap?

misterearl does I SAY UGH have the patience to hold on to draft picks and actually let the picks he has exercised develop?
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7/1/2007  12:38 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:

26 is older than the average NBA player. All you're really saying is "while we were sleeping, the Knicks roster is filled with guys older than the average player"

26 was the average age for the NBA 2006-2007 season. You can actually check on this info before you post those snippy comments.

http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2006.html

I thought it was 25. What's your point? When is that list from. I think it's before all the rookies were drafted last week. It's probably around 25 right now. Either way, the idea that I suspect is driving this thread (that the Knicks are a younger team with more upside than most teams) is proven wrong by your very own link.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 01-07-2007 12:43 AM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:

26 is older than the average NBA player. All you're really saying is "while we were sleeping, the Knicks roster is filled with guys older than the average player"

26 was the average age for the NBA 2006-2007 season. You can actually check on this info before you post those snippy comments.

http://www.nba.com/news/survey_age_2006.html

I thought it was 25. What's your point? When is that list from. I think it's before all the rookies were drafted last week. It's probably around 25 right now. Either way, the idea that I suspect is driving this thread (that the Knicks are a younger team with more upside than most teams) is proven wrong by your very own link.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 01-07-2007 12:43 AM]

The point is you made a snippy comment without checking the facts first as usual. Also, I already stated that the list was before the draft took place. So one player will dramatically drive down the number to match your comment. LOL, you do realize that current players get older and age. I know it's crazy but it happens. Birthdays come about once a year. You are right on target as usual. As far as what you assume or believe, well that's for another day.
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7/1/2007  8:41 AM
Q Coffee and donuts Q and A With TrueBlue

Q. misterearl does I SAY UGH have the patience to manage the cap?


A. Troo Blue - let me make this plain. managing the cap will NEVER be a priority in New York

Never has been

Never will be

People who want to manage the Knicks salary cap should would be better off playing fantasy league basketball, fingering their pocket calculators or kvetching over how the numbers compare on dreamy deals on Real GM.

It ain't never been that kinda party on Seventh Avenue and 33rd.

Never. Worrying about the cap is a waste of energy and time




Q. does I SAY UGH have the patience to hold on to draft picks and actually let the picks he has exercised develop?

A. That is a great question son. I say Zeke will audition the remaining yoot and the cream will rise to the top by December. I don't get the feeling he's auditioning for anything more than the best combinations he can assemble to win games.

If the trade of Frye demonstrates anything is that Thomas is not afraid to use his eraser. Frye had a sub-par sophomore year and he was gone.

The competition between eight, count 'em.. eight...recent draft picks - Mardy Collins, David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, Wilson Chandler, Nate Robinson, Randolph Morris (who is not really a draft pick but a crafty pick-up nonetheless) and Nichols - will be fun to watch.

The rule is simple.

You suck. You sit.

I don't have a single problem with healthy competition

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7/1/2007  8:42 AM
Well you're really nitpicking about a distinction without a difference but I'll go along with it anyway. Players are obviously youngest before the season (e.g., in July) and they all age ten months by the end of the season. If the average age was 26.67 at the end of last season (when your stats came out), it would have been below 26 at this time last season (i.e., June/July 2006). Assuming no dramatic shift in ages of players since last season, it is probably below 26 now and will go to around 26.7 again by the end of next season.
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7/1/2007  8:47 AM
Fellas, it was NEVER about the average age of a team.

stop it.

Now consider this question.

Q. Within a three year window, what age(s) could be considered any NBA players PEAK years of performance?
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Bonn1997
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7/1/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Fellas, it was NEVER about the average age of a team.

stop it.

Now consider this question.

Q. Within a three year window, what age(s) could be considered any NBA players PEAK years of performance?

So we have about as many players at any other team in their peak years. What's the big deal? That also means our 33 win team last year had many players in their peak years.
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